Official Black Panther MCU Thread

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

So you’re saying that because of they went with Nakia’s vision (one I agree with) and his depiction overall, that we can’t have a discussion of his ideals tho? See I don’t buy that. I feel like you can discuss both. You can say “I feel him” but then also not like the way he went about shyt. I don’t think they painted him in a way where that discussion can’t be had, which was your initial point if I’m not mistaken.

Or do you feel like that argument couldn’t be had now?

They painted him in a way where it won't be had....not by anyone non-black.

 

[MartyMcFly]

For me it was everything after taking the throne that was the problem. I agreed with his cause and his motivations 1000% but beyond that he was crazy as fukk. He didn’t really have a plan and would have ended up getting Wakanda destroyed, or invaded at some point. He did open the eyes of T’Challa which will probably have a positive impact on Wakanda and the rest of the world assuming Thanos doesn’t fukk everything up. But bottom line, he had to go.

They would have ended up with no Dora Milaje, no Jabari, no Shuri, no future BPs, and a global war. They would have been in a bad spot.

Exactly. That’s what I’m saying. It stopped being about the people and the struggle and more about him and his vengeance. In the hands of a dude who was more composed and more on his shyt, then his plan could’ve worked and been perfect, even if people in Wakanda disagreed with it.

 

[QuintessentialMan]

Killmonger was damaged from childhood.
The chocking of the woman,his own blood, the harshness of his methods,it all stemmed from that pain.
He's lashing out because the pain he feels is endless and there is no other way to let it out. No one can ever give him back his childhood. Its gone.
Nothing will fill that void.
You are still supposed to identify with him, you're just not meant to go his route because of the damage it can cause. You're meant to find another way.
Thats what I took from it.

 

[MartyMcFly]

They painted him in a way where it won't be had....not by anyone non-black.

I don’t know about that breh. I think that’s an assumption. Not saying the conversations will definitely happen but don’t assume they won’t either. I’m sure you’re right to a degree but I wouldn’t paint everyone with that brush and say it won’t happen. shyt I know a few white people who are having the discussion we’re having right now. Obviously a handful isn’t the same as a whole group of people but I also feel like WE need to have this discussion more than them. If anything one of the themes of the movie is black people discussing amongst ourselves what the right path is going forward and that there are multiple sides to one argument. But you can’t move forward as a people until you decide on which path you want to take.

So I’m much more concerned about what we do about it and the talks we have vs someone who doesn’t look like me. We gotta have our best interest in mind

 

[Monoblock]

Not sure if this was posted but the attention to detail was so dope in this.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Killmonger was damaged from childhood.
The chocking of the woman,his own blood, the harshness of his methods,it all stemmed from that pain.
He's lashing out because the pain he feels is endless and there is no other way to let it out. No one can ever give him back his childhood. Its gone.
Nothing will fill that void.
You are still supposed to identify with him, you're just not meant to go his route because of the damage it can cause. You're meant to find another way.
Thats what I took from it.

Word.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

I never noticed .... this shot makes Killmonger's suit look like a chain attached to an iron collar .... with open water and sky. Which makes the words Black Panther an anchor. Anchors can save you or destroy you, while performing the exact same action. So not intentional way to look at his suit in that poster under those green and purple lights. But I won't forget it, all the same.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I don’t know about that breh. I think that’s an assumption. Not saying the conversations will definitely happen but don’t assume they won’t either. I’m sure you’re right to a degree but I wouldn’t paint everyone with that brush and say it won’t happen. shyt I know a few white people who are having the discussion we’re having right now. Obviously a handful isn’t the same as a whole group of people but I also feel like WE need to have this discussion more than them. If anything one of the themes of the movie is black people discussing amongst ourselves what the right path is going forward and that there are multiple sides to one argument. But you can’t move forward as a people until you decide on which path you want to take.

So I’m much more concerned about what we do about it and the talks we have vs someone who doesn’t look like me. We gotta have our best interest in mind

Breh, the whole conversation was undercut. You're the one who made the Magneto comparison, if you can't see the enormous difference in the depth allotted to Magneto's vision vs that allotted to Killmonger's, I don't know what else to tell you. And it comes as no surprise to me that the depth we did get came from the movie instead of the comic.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Breh, the whole conversation was undercut. You're the one who made the Magneto comparison, if you can't see the enormous difference in the depth allotted to Magneto's vision vs that allotted to Killmonger's, I don't know what else to tell you. And it comes as no surprise to me that the depth we did get came from the movie instead of the comic.

Magneto also has had years and years and more years to build on that depth. Killmonger in the comic didn’t have the same motivation or character as he does in the movie. It’s tsking a character and repurposing it for today, which is just what they did with baron zemo, and the vulture, and a lot of other villains.

I hear what you’re saying. But for me that scene he had with his dad in the ancestral plane did a lot to show there’s a human being there who’s really hurt and angry. And that more should’ve been done for him in his situation. T’Challa put it squarely on his ancestors for fukking that situation up and lying and not being at their best.

But all of that is subjective obviously.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

For me it was everything after taking the throne that was the problem. I agreed with his cause and his motivations 1000% but beyond that he was crazy as fukk. He didn’t really have a plan and would have ended up getting Wakanda destroyed, or invaded at some point. He did open the eyes of T’Challa which will probably have a positive impact on Wakanda and the rest of the world assuming Thanos doesn’t fukk everything up. But bottom line, he had to go.

They would have ended up with no Dora Milaje, no Jabari, no Shuri, no future BPs, and a global war. They would have been in a bad spot.

Exactly. Essentially saying liberating black folk = crazy as fukk as opposed to liberating black folk being a worthwhile consideration.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Magneto also has had years and years and more years to build on that depth. Killmonger in the comic didn’t have the same motivation or character as he does in the movie. It’s tsking a character and repurposing it for today, which is just what they did with baron zemo, and the vulture, and a lot of other villains.

I hear what you’re saying. But for me that scene he had with his dad in the ancestral plane did a lot to show there’s a human being there who’s really hurt and angry. And that more should’ve been done for him in his situation. T’Challa put it squarely on his ancestors for fukking that situation up and lying and not being at their best.

But all of that is subjective obviously.

Killmonger deserves the same. Instead, he's killed in the first flick.

I'm not obtuse, so I get that he wouldn't get the same, which is why I said it was evident that this was a white man's property.

 

[flo]

Am I the only one who thought the scenes that took place in 1992 really felt like it was the 1990s? I can't explain it, and I don't know how Coogler did it, but I felt like I was transported to the early 90s watching it. It felt really authentic.

(Contrast that with Civil War's 1991 scene, I never felt like it was actually in the 90s).

 

[klientel]

Exactly. Essentially saying liberating black folk = crazy as fukk as opposed to liberating black folk being a worthwhile consideration.

Read the words directly before I said he was crazy. His cause was just. He just didn’t know how to execute it without killing his own people, destroying their traditions and limiting their future progression. And to be honest he didn’t really care what happened to Wakanda, that’s what made him crazy.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

For me it was everything after taking the throne that was the problem. I agreed with his cause and his motivations 1000% but beyond that he was crazy as fukk. He didn’t really have a plan and would have ended up getting Wakanda destroyed, or invaded at some point. He did open the eyes of T’Challa which will probably have a positive impact on Wakanda and the rest of the world assuming Thanos doesn’t fukk everything up. But bottom line, he had to go.

They would have ended up with no Dora Milaje, no Jabari, no Shuri, no future BPs, and a global war. They would have been in a bad spot.

No he wasn’t crazy. He was doing what he was trained to do from America aka White People. He was going to use their own tactics against them with superior weapons

He didn’t have a plan are you fukking kidding me. He was trained by the US special forces.


Ninjas sounding funny in here

 

[MartyMcFly]

Am I the only one who thought the scenes that took place in 1992 really felt like it was the 1990s? I can't explain it, and I don't know how Coogler did it, but I felt like I was transported to the early 90s watching it. It felt really authentic.

Contrast that with Civil War's 1991 scene, I never felt like it was actually in the 90s.

Coogler understands that world better than the Russo’s. Well at least that specific part of the world. His 90s was more specific than their 90s in civil war