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[FAH1223]

Would be the cheapest run election ever


Big business would look at each candidate with utter disdain

Like, Bernie raised $220M back in 2016 for the primary.

Trump's campaign wasn't even that much.. it was like $350M after the primaries and Trump used $65M of his own money. Trump raised like $560M total for his campaign. Hillary raised like $970M for the whole cycle.

Tracking the 2016 Presidential Money Race


But the Super PACs and dark money plus outsourcing things to the RNC is what Trump relied on.

Bernie doesn't have a Super PAC. I guess the DNC would support him but would Priorities USA or those ilk help or just focus down ballot?

 

[Don Homer]

Question to all.. if Bernie is the nominee, how would he fund a general election?

here comes beto with 18.4 million soon i bet

 

[storyteller]

The idea is actually interesting and worth adding to the discussion about reforming the SC, but Bernie's fearful framing of "What will the Republicans do!?" is distinctly counter-revolutionary and common amongst the centrist class.

I'd create a differentiation here in how the Republicans are actually being used. Centrists offer it up as a platitude to remain in the status-quo; Bernie's actual answer is anything but a platitude because he offers an actual policy alternative that seems viable long term. Plus, do you honestly think he's wrong in what he's pointing out? I feel like we've seen enough to assume the most likely course of action here is exactly what Bernie forecasts (but I admit this is pure speculation).

 

[FAH1223]

I'm getting pessimistic brehs

The right wing has all the money, all of the power

I'm convinced if Bernie or Warren is the nominee, you'll have 1/3 of Democrats or around 30% voting for a Schultz like figure in the general. And that figure will take up fundraising too.

 

[the cac mamba]

I'm getting pessimistic brehs

The right wing has all the money, all of the power

I'm convinced if Bernie or Warren is the nominee, you'll have 1/3 of Democrats or around 30% voting for a Schultz like figure in the general. And that figure will take up fundraising too.

but hillary supporters told us that rallying around the democratic nominee is the right thing to do surely they wouldnt be hypocritical?

 

[storyteller]

I'm getting pessimistic brehs

The right wing has all the money, all of the power

I'm convinced if Bernie or Warren is the nominee, you'll have 1/3 of Democrats or around 30% voting for a Schultz like figure in the general. And that figure will take up fundraising too.

I'm still not sure if it's a bluff to try and force us to pick a different candidate (the "he won't be able to beat Trump so pick Biden" strategy) or if it will actually come to fruition and expose a significant chunk of centrist democrats as actually right leaning. My guess is some of both, but we need to hold strong and call that bluff either way imo.

 

[King Kreole]

I'd create a differentiation here in how the Republicans are actually being used. Centrists offer it up as a platitude to remain in the status-quo; Bernie's actual answer is anything but a platitude because he offers an actual policy alternative that seems viable long term. Plus, do you honestly think he's wrong in what he's pointing out? I feel like we've seen enough to assume the most likely course of action here is exactly what Bernie forecasts (but I admit this is pure speculation).

He's displaying the same self-defeating logic that plagued the Obama administration; negotiating with the shadow of Republicans before you've even started actual negotiations. Even if that is the way the course of action ultimately goes, you open with your boldest, uncompromising vision and go from there. Democrats are perpetually self-sabotaging by doing this "What will Republicans do/think?!" shyt and it's a perfect example of their allergy towards power. As I said before, his actual proposed alternative to expanding the court is worth discussing, but when couched in that language and reasoning, it stinks. Shifting the Overton window is critical for the progressive path to victory.

 

[King Kreole]

I'm still not sure if it's a bluff to try and force us to pick a different candidate (the "he won't be able to beat Trump so pick Biden" strategy) or if it will actually come to fruition and expose a significant chunk of centrist democrats as actually right leaning. My guess is some of both, but we need to hold strong and call that bluff either way imo.

fukk em. For every bloodless, milquetoast centrist we lose in the suburbs, we will pick up two disenfranchised, inactive progressive voters in rural and urban areas.

 

[storyteller]

He's displaying the same self-defeating logic that plagued the Obama administration; negotiating with the shadow of Republicans before you've even started actual negotiations. Even if that is the way the course of action ultimately goes, you open with your boldest, uncompromising vision and go from there. Democrats are perpetually self-sabotaging by doing this "What will Republicans do/think?!" shyt and it's a perfect example of their allergy towards power. As I said before, his actual proposed alternative to expanding the court is worth discussing, but when couched in that language and reasoning, it stinks. Shifting the Overton window is critical for the progressive path to victory.

I agree with the idea of starting with the boldest plan, but I'd contend that what Bernie is proposing represents an even bolder and larger structural change to the Supreme Court. This may not have the short term guarantee that adding two progressive justices to the SC would, but it's actually a bigger change with far better long term implications to boot. This isn't a "Republicans won't let us unless pass a judge that's more left leaning so we'll nominate Merrick Garland" type backfire, this is "Republicans will break this as soon as they have an opportunity, so lets change the entire process in a way that can't be broken." Granted, I want to do more looking into the concepts from the Vanderbilt paper myself; but I wouldn't call this self-defeating. I actually think it's a better idea and worth reading the original document for. I'm also not sure that I would consider court stacking left or right so much as just a power play. It's more necessary evil to me and I like seeing alternatives that aren't so easily abused.

 

[storyteller]

fukk em. For every bloodless, milquetoast centrist we lose in the suburbs, we will pick up two disenfranchised, inactive progressive voters in rural and urban areas.

Exactly! I don't think it's as big a group that'd turn to Trump as the hype tbh and the types that would flip that easily aren't really the ones I want to worry about keeping in the party. Let them walk and replace them with people whose principles align with ours more. Strengthen the coalition being built by letting the weak links bounce.

 

[King Kreole]

can someone come get this man...

 

[FAH1223]

can someone come get this man...

Joe running helps Bernie.

WaPo going in overdrive

 

[Cookie]

Joe running helps Bernie.

WaPo going in overdrive

Of course

 

[JoogJoint]

Joe running helps Bernie.

WaPo going in overdrive

They are trying to ruin this man because they hate that an Anti-Establishment candidate is so popular and not failing.

 

[Pressure]

can someone come get this man...

Based on the information about his 2016 campaign, he's being consistent