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Let's just say Bernie wins. Like realistically what's gonna happen when he tries to push for stuff? He is threatening billions in profits that would no longer be available to the wealthiest entities in the entire world. do ya'll not see a scenario where it doesn't get super ugly? private sector will pull some fukkery?

In the age of the internet conspirator having access to social media, all kinds of societal pressure will happen if anything of that nature happens to Bernie. Wealthy people will lose billions, but their fun ride of unlimited profits since Reagan has come to an end. They made hundreds of years of profits in that short 40 year period. They can take a beating and stop acting like spoiled babies, cause the general public has had enough.
 

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They're going to pay out the ass to keep him out of office, but once he's in office there's really nothing they can do. What pressured Clinton in the 90's and Obama with the ACA to avoid going full bore onto single payer, free at point of access insurance was they were terrified of losing the insurance money and even more terrified of the insurance industry pouring (or in the case in the 90's them actually pouring money into opposition which is the first large scale case of this happening) money to keep the status quo. But given that this is a stated and dedicated policy position AND that Bernie is almost assuredly not going to run for a second term and thus has no need to even tacitly consider the electoral game, this is really the only candidate to chose. Not only because he's the strongest on the position, but because he's in the best position of anybody to actually effect it.

Now, this relies on the Dems doing a lot of things that they might not want to do. Court expansion, DC and PR statehood, killing the filibuster, etc etc. But Bernie is literally the only one that is in perfect position for this.

When you have voters on social media like FB and Twitter spitting random, coherent facts about suppression of nice things by the wealthy people, they can't put it off forever.
 

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Let's just say Bernie wins. Like realistically what's gonna happen when he tries to push for stuff? He is threatening billions in profits that would no longer be available to the wealthiest entities in the entire world. do ya'll not see a scenario where it doesn't get super ugly? private sector will pull some fukkery?

Bernie at 80 years old can afford to become the 1st martyr for this cause. This will further expose the big corporations and folks will start losing trust. Eventually more charismatic leaders will come along with a left wing agenda believing they can win. shyt Bernie doing well last term with a socialistic agenda got all these candidates jumping on all the far left ideas right now.
 

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Now, this relies on the Dems doing a lot of things that they might not want to do. Court expansion, DC and PR statehood, killing the filibuster, etc etc. But Bernie is literally the only one that is in perfect position for this.
How is Bernie the only one in perfect position for this when he refused to come out in favor of abolishing the filibuster and has no plan for DC/PR statehood? He doesn’t seem to understand the magnitude of the problems and the systemic changes that will need to take place to solve them. Without getting rid of the filibuster, M4A and all these progressive proposals like GND are dead on arrival.
 

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Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook

Posting here because there is the possibility that this same infrastructure gets remobilized this time.
Oh it definitely will be back. He's paying Zerlina Maxwell and others on twitter to smear Bernie

the alt center on Twitter and posters on here will pretend it doesn't exist. People beef on twitter every day and they think Bernie fans are the only people that are "mean" on twitter lol.

David Brock was PAYING people to beef on facebook. Brock is straight garbage lol It's just crazy how many losers can exist in this field and can continue to make money. David Brock called Anita Hill “a little bit nutty, a little bit slutty’, launched Troopergate against Bill Clinton when he was a GOP operative and tried painting Obama as un-american in 2008.

Then he has the nerve to write this last month :francis: when he's been throwing mud and attacking people for the last 25 years

Opinion | David Brock: Don't let Bernie fans poison another Democratic primary with personal attacks
 

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"What may make sense is, if not term limits, then rotating judges to the appeals court as well," Sanders said at the We the People Summit in Washington. "Letting them get out of the Supreme Court and bringing in new blood."

His solution sounds like one I read about from a Vanderbilt Law essay that also pointed out the potential problems with Court packing

Bernie Sanders floats modified term limits for Supreme Court justices - CNNPolitics


So this sounds like the Supreme Court lottery which I literally just read about yesterday (so I think it's a fresh idea but idk). Here's a summary version, though I actually enjoyed the full essay which dives into potential pitfalls of court stacking and term limits while acknowledging how we got to these circumstances in the first place.

Depoliticizing the Supreme Court may mean radically overhauling it: Law professor

Under a lottery system, every judge on the federal court of appeals is appointed as an associate justice of the Supreme Court. A bench of nine justices is chosen at random to serve for two weeks at a time, making it impossible to game the court’s composition to favor one party’s policies over another over a lengthy amount of time.

Additionally, these panels would not choose their own cases. Instead, they would hear cases chosen for them by a previous panel, and then choose cases for the next randomly-selected panel in turn.

“This approach prevents a conservative or liberal-majority panel from cherry-picking cases designed to advance their own agendas,” Sitaraman explained.

Finally, the researchers propose that overturning a federal statute should require a two-thirds, rather than simple, majority. This would prevent destabilizing the law, while giving appropriate deference to the democratic process.

Sidenote: I thought I about making an OP for the two suggestions from Vanderbilt to see what others think about them. The appeals court solution could be broken by 2020 with the GOP stacking the circuits as well, which is something I'm thinking I might try and email the authors to ask about.
 
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His solution sounds like one I read about from a Vanderbilt Law essay that also pointed out the potential problems with Court packing

Bernie Sanders floats modified term limits for Supreme Court justices - CNNPolitics


So this sounds like the Supreme Court lottery which I literally just read about yesterday (so I think it's a fresh idea but idk). Here's a summary version, though I actually enjoyed the full essay which dives into potential pitfalls of court stacking and term limits while acknowledging how we got to these circumstances in the first place.

Depoliticizing the Supreme Court may mean radically overhauling it: Law professor



Sidenote: I thought I about making an OP for the two suggestions from Vanderbilt to see what others think about them. The appeals court solution could be broken by 2020 with the GOP stacking the circuits as well, which is something I'm thinking I might try and email the authors to ask about.
The idea is actually interesting and worth adding to the discussion about reforming the SC, but Bernie's fearful framing of "What will the Republicans do!?" is distinctly counter-revolutionary and common amongst the centrist class.
 

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Question to all.. if Bernie is the nominee, how would he fund a general election?

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The idea is actually interesting and worth adding to the discussion about reforming the SC, but Bernie's fearful framing of "What will the Republicans do!?" is distinctly counter-revolutionary and common amongst the centrist class.
i still think it's common sense :yeshrug:

dems are mad they missed out on two picks, and bump the judges to 11? fine. when the repubs get in power and bump it to 13, the argument against that is what?
 
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