Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[Pressure]

I'd argue that Bernie's actually taken steps to address the problems which implies he did care. But hey that's going deeper than you care to so agree to disagree.

Sanders faces former staffers about sexual harassment on 2016 campaign

"I did not know... but now i do... and i will make steps going forward to address this issue."

 

[Pressure]

Kamala ever make somebody physically uncomfortable?

Like putting them in a cell?

Who cares. I don't find any of these issues disqualifying for a POTUS run. I'm not the one feigning outrage over either.

My position when this came up with Bernie is the same as it is with Joe Biden.

Its something you'll have to address, but it's unlikely to change the views of supporters and any work afterwards is unlikely to change the views of critics.

 

[storyteller]

"Actually" was the important word there buddy. His actions are the difference between lip service about caring and showing real effort, Biden's not there yet but we'll see.

edit: And that's still giving more credit to the false equivalence drawn here than is deserved.

 

[the cac mamba]

Touching a woman inappropriately is the same as knowing someone who touched a woman inappropriately.

lotta bad faith posting in here

 

[Pressure]

"Actually" was the important word there buddy. His actions are the difference between lip service about caring and showing real effort, Biden's not there yet but we'll see.

edit: And that's still giving more credit to the false equivalence drawn here than is deserved.

How long did it take Bernie to have the meeting after the story dropped?

By your standards all Joe would need to do is not be creepy.

 

[King Kreole]

I'm not even hella mad at this, but dude has been making some WILD spicy moves recently

 

[Pressure]

I'm not even hella mad at this, but dude has been making some WILD spicy moves recently

He still believes in economic anxiety

 

[storyteller]

How long did it take Bernie to have the meeting after the story dropped?

Two weeks...He also bumped the campaign manager that hid the information from him off of his 2020 team and made changes to his campaign formation. These are tangible actions. As I said on Biden, he can take actions to show that he actually cares but that remains to be seen.

By your standards all Joe would need to do is not be creepy.

For one, the fact that Biden was literally the person accused of the awkward behavior and not an uninvolved, uninformed party means that I expect more in the apology and comments then what we got from Joe... That's the context I keep harping on. The higher standard part comes from me wanting a better apology from the guy who is actually accused of the actions themselves. Then to match Bernie's actions in response to the situation; Biden would need to meet with his accusers and also add some expertise like the Working IDEAL people who helped facilitate Bernie's meeting.
If he covered those two bases with good response from involved parties, then he could move on to focusing on campaigning and just keeping his hands to himself. I don't think this is crazy, it's a slightly elevated expectation compared to a much more direct and damaging accusation imo. But if you're of the "this isn't important" philosophy, I'll repeat that we can just agree to disagree because I think it does matter when someone is actually being accused of doing the touching as opposed to one of his staffers doing so unbeknownst to him...again, that context is important to how we look at their responses in my book.

 

[Pressure]

Two weeks...He also bumped the campaign manager that hid the information from him off of his 2020 team and made changes to his campaign formation. These are tangible actions. As I said on Biden, he can take actions to show that he actually cares but that remains to be seen.



For one, the fact that Biden was literally the person accused of the awkward behavior and not an uninvolved, uninformed party means that I expect more in the apology and comments then what we got from Joe... That's the context I keep harping on. The higher standard part comes from me wanting a better apology from the guy who is actually accused of the actions themselves. Then to match Bernie's actions in response to the situation; Biden would need to meet with his accusers and also add some expertise like the Working IDEAL people who helped facilitate Bernie's meeting.
If he covered those two bases with good response from involved parties, then he could move on to focusing on campaigning and just keeping his hands to himself. I don't think this is crazy, it's a slightly elevated expectation compared to a much more direct and damaging accusation imo. But if you're of the "this isn't important" philosophy, I'll repeat that we can just agree to disagree because I think it does matter when someone is actually being accused of doing the touching as opposed to one of his staffers doing so unbeknownst to him...again, that context is important to how we look at their responses in my book.

Two things:

• What occurred within the sanders campaign is worse than what Joe has been accused of
• What are the tangibles you'd like to see?

 

[storyteller]

Two things:

• What occurred within the sanders campaign is worse than what Joe has been accused of
• What are the tangibles you'd like to see?

1. Joe is the accused. Sanders is not. Hence the difference in expectation about the apology.

2. This was meant to address that but I'll clarify

The higher standard part comes from me wanting a better apology from the guy who is actually accused of the actions themselves. Then to match Bernie's actions in response to the situation; Biden would need to meet with his accusers and also add some expertise like the Working IDEAL people who helped facilitate Bernie's meeting.
If he covered those two bases with good response from involved parties, then he could move on to focusing on campaigning and just keeping his hands to himself. I don't think this is crazy, it's a slightly elevated expectation compared to a much more direct and damaging accusation imo.

Now my guess is you want to know more about what a "better apology" entails. I think his second swing that he just dropped is a lot better:


I could do without the "I don't think politics should be cold" but acknowledging that times have changed and he has to be more mindful is absolutely what I was hoping to hear. Now some action would be direct apology/conversation with Flores and the others as mentioned above. Those women coming away feeling heard and understood would be a step that I think isn't too much of an ask.

If Biden really wanted to hit a home run for me, it'd be to push a more public conversation about personal space but the pitfalls are massive and I understand that's way too big an ask ahead of a heated election season. That would be a real above and beyond step though.

 

[Pressure]

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Call Me James turning into The Cac Mamba in here.

"You care? Lol, feigned outrage."

Biden has inhibition issues. He can't stop himself. He's out, he's done.

Bernie will be on Fox News bringing back those Obama voters who voted for Trump. Copmala can't do that. Beto can't do that, no matter how high the furniture he stands on. Yang is a joke.

Get used to it now: President Bernie Sanders.

 

[JoogJoint]

Biden is outchea trying to blame Bernie for being a pervert...

Joe Biden's team is reportedly blaming Bernie Sanders's camp for the trickle of stories from women about inappropriate contact

Joe Biden's team is reportedly blaming Bernie Sanders' camp for the trickle of stories from women about inappropriate contact
Joe Perticone

7h

Former Vice President Joe Biden.
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• Individuals close to former Vice President Joe Biden are suspicious that Bernie Sanders is involved in the accusations that he inappropriately touched multiple women.
• Biden is still moving forward with the launch of a 2020 presidential campaign.
• One supporter of Biden said the former vice president is ready to "kill Bernie" if he jumps in the race.

Former Vice President Joe Biden's inner circle is reportedly stewing over the surge of accusations that the prospective 2020 presidential candidate inappropriately touched multiple women and think Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' team could be behind the renewed focus.

Axios reported on Tuesday that several individuals close to Biden are suspicious that the Sanders camp is "at least partly behind the anti-Biden campaign."

In addition, one of Biden's top backers believes he is still moving forward with an upcoming campaign announcement and "is ready to kill Bernie" when he jumps in the race, according to Axios.

Read more: Joe Biden's long history in public life could come back to haunt him if he decides to run for president

Biden has been the subject of controversy in recent days after a former Nevada state assemblywoman wrote an op-ed accusing him of touching her inappropriately and kissing her head during a 2014 campaign event.

The woman, Lucy Flores, added that the alleged incident was an issue of personal space, not any kind of assault or harassment.

"For the record, I don't believe that it was a bad intention. I'm not in any way suggesting that I felt sexually assaulted or sexually harassed. I felt invaded. I felt there was a violation of my personal space," Flores told MSNBC. "And it's been dismissed as if it's just Biden being Biden. Boys will be boys. No big deal. It is a big deal."

But another woman came forward on Monday to accuse Biden of inappropriately touching her at a 2009 political fundraiser, the Hartford Courant reported.

Bill Russo, a spokesman for Biden, pushed back on the allegationsand the use of other photos depicting Biden as invading personal space. The women in the photos in question have also spoken out, saying there was no wrongdoing involved.

"These smears and forgeries have existed in the dark recesses of the internet for a while," Russo said. "And to this day, right wing trolls and others continue to exploit them for their own gain."

But Biden is still facing mounting criticism, both from the field of Democratic presidential candidates and the high-profile Democratic leadership. Though none are saying the allegations should disqualify him from the 2020 race.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Laughable. They know for a fact this story was pushed by Turning Point USA, a youth fascist organization.

They'd just rather punch left than call out Nazis.

Makes sense when you remember Biden hated the integration of public schools.

 

[JoogJoint]

Laughable. They know for a fact this story was pushed by Turning Point USA, a youth fascist organization.

They'd just rather punch left than call out Nazis.

Makes sense when you remember Biden hated the integration of public schools.

It was only a matter of time before Biden resort to these tactics. I'm not even surprised, but I don't understand what makes him think this is going to help his case at all. I mean, there's video AND pictorial evidence of him being nasty.

Biden is trying to make this 2016 all over again.

Bernie's camp is nipping it in the bud.

Bernie camp denies secret plot to fuel Biden allegations

Bernie camp denies secret plot to fuel Biden allegations
by Caitlin Yilek
| April 03, 2019 10:45 AM
| Updated Apr 03, 2019, 10:50 AM







Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign denies having any role in the surfacing of allegations that Joe Biden inappropriately touched women as the former vice president leans into a 2020 run for the White House.


The denial comes as Biden’s camp speculates the accusations are being pushed by opposing Democratic campaigns as Biden leads by significant margins in most Democratic primary polls.

Lucy Flores, a former Nevada assemblywoman, accused Biden on Friday of touching her inappropriately and kissing her on the back of the head at a campaign rally in 2014. Flores endorsed Sanders, I-Vt., in the Democratic presidential primaries in 2016 and became a campaign surrogate. She has not endorsed a candidate in the 2020 cycle but attended former Rep. Beto O’Rourke’s kickoff rally in El Paso on Saturday.








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One Democratic source told the Daily Beast that people in Biden's orbit think the allegations were “all coming out of Bernie world.”

In a statement sent to the Washington Examiner, Sanders’ campaign manager Faiz Shakir said claims that the team is behind the allegations made his “blood boil.”

“Neither the Bernie Sanders campaign nor anyone involved in it, planted, planned, persuaded, cajoled, or otherwise urged Lucy Flores or anyone else to tell their story. Full stop, period, end of sentence. I don’t want to hear it. We didn’t play a role,” Shakir said.

“But this is why my blood boils,” he said. “We have heard through innuendo and rumors that somehow this campaign was involved in Lucy Flores telling her story and it is deeply disrespectful and shameful that any time a woman comes forward to tell her story there has to be some kind of intimation or suggestion that that person is doing so out of some political agenda and or that the person may be lying … It is shameful. We went through the Donald Trump campaign in which a number of women came forward to tell their stories and they were dismissed and criticized and ripped by the president of the United States on the highest stage of the land. We saw it with Dr. Christine Blasey Ford, that she must be a Dianne Feinstein plant. It is dismissive and disrespectful that whenever a woman comes forward the first suggestion is that there has to be a political agenda driving them.”

Since Flores went public, three other women have also alleged Biden touched them inappropriately.

Neither Sanders’ campaign or Biden’s spokesman immediately returned a request for comment from the Washington Examiner.