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Plan how? This is what I don't understand.

Who goes into a war with the thought of "I need to develop a defense in the scenario that all my enemies all at once throw down their swords, gift their resources, and swear allegiance to the person they've been plotting to kill for the past year and a half."

And even if you do, what is your counter measure?

What, was he supposed to beat everyone else to the punch and endorse Biden after he won Nevada?
There had to be a better strategy to get older voters on his side. That's the majority of the vote in south especially. I don't know how that would have to be done but he needed to lose South Carolina by way less than he did even with Clyburn's endorsement. If Biden goes into Super Tuesday barely winning a state he has a better shot to widen the gap and win states he should have won.

All in all it was a great strategy by the Dems. It's hard to beat endorsements by every other candidate and other politicians in each state along with tons of free media. But it was not insurmountable.
 

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There had to be a better strategy to get older voters on his side. That's the majority of the vote in south especially. I don't know how that would have to be done but he needed to lose South Carolina by way less than he did even with Clyburn's endorsement. If Biden goes into Super Tuesday barely winning a state he has a better shot to widen the gap and win states he should have won.

All in all it was a great strategy by the Dems. It's hard to beat endorsements by every other candidate and other politicians in each state along with tons of free media. But it was not insurmountable.

I know i'm repeating myself ad nauseam and it may annoy some people, hell i'm annoying myself, but the role of the mainstream "liberal" media played in defeating Bernie, cannot and should never be forgotten...or forgiven.

They literally swooped in and saved Biden's campaign.

fukk all this overestimated talk about the impact of endorsements, socialism, older voters, black voters etc. The drop from Nevada to South Carolina and Super Tuesday was heavily influenced by the relentless attacks from "trusted" mainstream media outlets on the left.

Man, polls don't just shift that dramatically especially when the candidate hasn't done a damn thing to help his case.

I just don't want people to forget the role that some of these media outlets we have supported with our viewership did to the progressive movement.
 

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I know i'm repeating myself ad nauseam and it may annoy some people, hell i'm annoying myself, but the role of the mainstream "liberal" media played in defeating Bernie, cannot and should never be forgotten...or forgiven.

They literally swooped in and saved Biden's campaign.

fukk all this overestimated talk about the impact of endorsements, socialism, older voters, black voters etc. The drop from Nevada to South Carolina and Super Tuesday was heavily influenced by the relentless attacks from "trusted" mainstream media outlets on the left.

Man, polls don't just shift that dramatically especially when the candidate hasn't done a damn thing to help his case.

I just don't want people to forget the role that some of these media outlets we have supported with our viewership did to the progressive movement.

I honestly find it hard to even watch American based news unless it’s Democracy Now or something. Media here is mostly compromised, the fact that so many people listen to mainstream media as blindly as they listened to their teachers as kids let me know how things was gonna go.
 

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I know i'm repeating myself ad nauseam and it may annoy some people, hell i'm annoying myself, but the role of the mainstream "liberal" media played in defeating Bernie, cannot and should never be forgotten...or forgiven.

They literally swooped in and saved Biden's campaign.

fukk all this overestimated talk about the impact of endorsements, socialism, older voters, black voters etc. The drop from Nevada to South Carolina and Super Tuesday was heavily influenced by the relentless attacks from "trusted" mainstream media outlets on the left.

Man, polls don't just shift that dramatically especially when the candidate hasn't done a damn thing to help his case.

I just don't want people to forget the role that some of these media outlets we have supported with our viewership did to the progressive movement.

You're absolutely correct.

But the issue is how do you navigate that? What Trump did in 2016 doesn't work in a Dem primary.

Dem primary voters love the personalities of the political establishment.

Black voters in the south always go for the moderate choice.

There's some houdini shyt progressives have to do. Because lets be reality, Bernie didn't have the communications people he needed to be blasting out shyt on MSM. Being on TV every single day. Bernie was ignored as if he didn't exist for many months during the campaign.

This was very winnable. Very winnable. And I feel some type of way with the campaign now. Not just cause I gave money and time but because they should have had the most top notch political talent and resources at their disposal to play the traditional game to go with the digital operation that is so successful.
 

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I know i'm repeating myself ad nauseam and it may annoy some people, hell i'm annoying myself, but the role of the mainstream "liberal" media played in defeating Bernie, cannot and should never be forgotten...or forgiven.

They literally swooped in and saved Biden's campaign.

fukk all this overestimated talk about the impact of endorsements, socialism, older voters, black voters etc. The drop from Nevada to South Carolina and Super Tuesday was heavily influenced by the relentless attacks from "trusted" mainstream media outlets on the left.

Man, polls don't just shift that dramatically especially when the candidate hasn't done a damn thing to help his case.

I just don't want people to forget the role that some of these media outlets we have supported with our viewership did to the progressive movement.
It was a perfect storm that hit Bernie. Losing SC by that much was devastating. On top of that the establishment came together like The Avengers fighting Thanos. The fact that there wasn’t a debate before Super Tuesday also hurt Bernie. There was nothing to interrupt the positive News cycle for Biden. Also Bernie and his team made several mistakes that I have expanded on before. Part of that was not having a better strategy with combating the Media. They had to know going in that the media wasn’t going to threat him fairly
 

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Green Party is weak imo. Scrap that for something more bold. The word “progressive” should be in the name if you really bout that life. The grassroots on the left is gonna have to come out and push for something more uncompromising.

More power to Bernie for trying to push candidates more to the left but you can’t go and try to run for the ticket in a party compromised by money, complain about those inequities, and then be surprised when they don’t want you. :ld:
I don’t disagree. But I’m not sure how we can start a new party without handing every election to the republicans, or just being a afterthought like the Green Party. How do we start a new party that can actually win?
 

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I don’t disagree. But I’m not sure how we can start a new party without handing every election to the republicans, or just being a afterthought like the Green Party. How do we start a new party that can actually win?
It's IMPOSSIBLE. The way our elections are setup it is truly impossible. You'd have to be a crazy rich fukk like Bloomberg to even stand a chance, and it would still be impossible.
 

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It's IMPOSSIBLE. The way our elections are setup it is truly impossible. You'd have to be a crazy rich fukk like Bloomberg to even stand a chance, and it would still be impossible.
I wish I could disagree but I think you are right. The only way it would be possible is if elections were publicly financed. Even then it would be extremely difficult.
 

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The machine keeps raging on brehs. It was an impossible task to overcome. We tried.
If Biden didn't run and let's remember, he almost didn't run this time cause he kept waffling...

I think Bernie in all likelihood is the nominee.

Even though he didn't win the black vote in the south, his favorability ratings are high and they agree on the policy.

Pete, Amy and Liz Warren didn't have much of a pulse in the black community.
 

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I don’t disagree. But I’m not sure how we can start a new party without handing every election to the republicans, or just being a afterthought like the Green Party. How do we start a new party that can actually win?

It can't be disaffected dems railing against the establishment, gonna have to meet in the middle with the populist right and make it more than about politics. We need politicians and campaigns for representation but it's time for direct action.
 

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If Biden didn't run and let's remember, he almost didn't run this time cause he kept waffling...

I think Bernie in all likelihood is the nominee.

Even though he didn't win the black vote in the south, his favorability ratings are high and they agree on the policy.

Pete, Amy and Liz Warren didn't have much of a pulse in the black community.
Bernie basically lost to Obama twice :russ:
 
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