Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[AnonymityX1000]

I didn’t say it was illegal , we were saying Obama fukked over progressives again by getting involved

So you just wish he was on our side. He's not and we been known that. You are acting like he did something unexpected.

 

[FAH1223]

Progressives need their own party. Deep down that’s prolly what a lot of Bernie supporters wanted after 2016. Bernie decided to play the Dems game again like a fool and got burned for it. Until Progressive have their own party that agenda won’t get any real traction since it’s toxic for the neoliberal agenda.

There is a progressive party, the Green Party.

But they don’t win shyt

Bernie been in a Congress for 30 years. If he was gonna be in third party politics he would have done it long ago.

He knows you can only run in the Dem party to actually win.

I think this L was more self defeating moves. This was a winnable primary. Especially with the resources he had.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Now Obama is to blame?

When the left turned on him during his second term and Obama fatigue was rife, he still got the ground game out to defeat Romney.

Stop pointing the finger at others and recognise the the Sanders campaign itself had serious failings. Entirely possible your operation was massive but run badly. So the lack of teeth in the ground game outside of caucuses is symptomatic of the entire campaign.

Everyone who keeps trying to hammer this square talking point (pun intended) into the circle shape conveniently keeps omitting the fact that the campaign who ended up winning the spoils that several other candidates literally gifted to him did NONE of the things they claim as the cause for Bernie losing. If Bernie lacked teeth for a ground game outside of caucusing, Biden's dentures were on back order. There is nothing you can say about Bernie's campaign that you can't say a thousand times over pertaining to Biden's, who will end up being the nominee. So miss me with all the "if he woulda, he shoulda, etc" gobbledygook, as Joe would say.

And for clarification, I'm not blaming Obama. I'm simply saying he obviously played a hand in manipulating the coalescing of the other campaigns around Biden.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I honestly don’t want to win if we have to do all this shady shyt because it comes with a price. You think you’re just gonna hire political insiders and then what win the election and keep your same agenda? It doesn’t work that way

Political insiders can't change your message they work for the candidate. Moneyed interest can tho.
Bernie being a great guy unwilling to hard on his opponents and the DNC didn't help and most likely hurt. We are going to need someone with more strategy and savvy and allies in order to win.

 

[wtfyomom]

So you just wish he was on our side. He's not and we been known that. You are acting like he did something unexpected.

i wish he was actually a progressive. i dont wish he was centrist corporate obama but on our side.

 

[wtfyomom]

Political insiders can't change your message they work for the candidate. Moneyed interest can tho.
Bernie being a great guy unwilling to hard on his opponents and the DNC didn't help and most likely hurt. We are going to need someone with more strategy, savvy and

Political insiders work for the candidate and need the candidate for $. They really don't have the power moneyed interest do.
And yes, Bernie was too nice and played along with the DNC too much. I think it cost him, we need a more strategic and political savvy leader.

yeah bernie just doesnt go hard ever and its his biggest weakness, none of these muther fukkers are your friends they hate you. and like maybe i can see with warren like if maybe he didnt want to go after her ok but fukkin biden? just cause he was nice to you when you were the unkempt independent ? thats what sociopaths do they charm you. bernie too nice

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

I am Bernie supporter but calling people, asking them to get behind your candidate in order to win isn't illegal, or trifling or anything like that. Yeah, we wish he was on our side but he's not. What they did was strategize to win. I wish Bernie did the same.
The message appeals to young people but not enough for them to vote in high enough numbers to win. We have a group of zealous supporters but they don't form a majority. We need to keep fighting to get the results we want. Hopefully, we have a salvageable country by the time that happens.

I've made that point weeks ago in this thread. I don't necessarily consider a DNC strategy to outflank Bernie in and of itself as nefarious (how they may go about doing so is another story, but if politics is ultimately a play for power, you can't expect those you're in contention with to stop attempting to gain or maintain power).

But I also have to firmly push back against this horseshyt narrative that Joe Biden, Mensa Mastermind and Grand Oracle Sage of campaigning wisdom, who's first presidential primary victory in his career is so recent that Kobe Bryant wasn't even alive to witness it, just has that special something that nobody can quite put their finger on, hence his current standing.

It's absolute nonsense and has to be pointed out.

 

[wtfyomom]

Everyone who keeps trying to hammer this square talking point (pun intended) into the circle shape conveniently keeps omitting the fact that the campaign who ended up winning the spoils that several other candidates literally gifted to him did NONE of the things they claim as the cause for Bernie losing. If Bernie lacked teeth for a ground game outside of caucusing, Biden's dentures were on back order. There is nothing you can say about Bernie's campaign that you can't say a thousand times over pertaining to Biden's, who will end up being the nominee. So miss me with all the "if he woulda, he shoulda, etc" gobbledygook, as Joe would say.

And for clarification, I'm not blaming Obama. I'm simply saying he obviously played a hand in manipulating the coalescing of the other campaigns around Biden.

this is sooo true. biden has run literally the worst campaign EVER. he was broke. rich people realized he was the only one with ANY shot based off name rec to beat bernie and coordinated a whole fukkin show to push him, i dont even think they thought it was going to work as well as it did. just like biden said he was broke his campaign was done. but its something bernie had to do better? bernie had to walk on water or he made a million mistakes but biden was complete ass did ZERO and its all good. bernie is too nice that i agree but all the other political bullshyt is irrelevant, its like who conned the public better its nonsense like i dont follow this shyt for the game aspect of it. cause its not a fukkin game

this dude is out here, threatening to slap voters, calling woman liars, cant form a coherent sentence, telling voters to vote for someone else, lying about being arrested with mandella ! lmao but man bernie he ran a bad campaign gtfoh

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I've made that point weeks ago in this thread. I don't necessarily consider a DNC strategy to outflank Bernie in and of itself as nefarious (how they may go about doing so is another story, but if politics is ultimately a play for power, you can't expect those you're in contention with to stop attempting to gain or maintain power).

But I also have to firmly push back against this horseshyt narrative that Joe Biden, Mensa Mastermind and Grand Oracle Sage of campaigning wisdom, who's first presidential primary victory in his career is so recent that Kobe Bryant wasn't even alive to witness it, just has that special something that nobody can quite put their finger on, hence his current standing.

It's absolute nonsense and has to be pointed out.

Yeah, and I think we can use it as proof they would rather a Republican than a Progressive as president. They backed an inferior candidate for the general instead of Bernie just to stop Bernie. Biden beating Trump is a hope I guess but beating Bernie was the priority. Biden's best trait is Obama fukks with him. It's not policy, political savvy, charisma etc. He's cool with BO, the end.

 

[FAH1223]

this is sooo true. biden has run literally the worst campaign EVER. he was broke. rich people realized he was the only one with ANY shot based off name rec to beat bernie and coordinated a whole fukkin show to push him, i dont even think they thought it was going to work as well as it did. just like biden said he was broke his campaign was done. but its something bernie had to do better? bernie had to walk on water or he made a million mistakes but biden was complete ass did ZERO and its all good. bernie is too nice that i agree but all the other political bullshyt is irrelevant, its like who conned the public better its nonsense like i dont follow this shyt for the game aspect of it. cause its not a fukkin game

this dude is out here, threatening to slap voters, calling woman liars, cant form a coherent sentence, telling voters to vote for someone else, lying about being arrested with mandella ! lmao but man bernie he ran a bad campaign gtfoh

Bernie didn't run a bad campaign but he ran one without the strategists that have a track record of winning. He had his own circle of people which he always does but he didn't have the communications person to have him be painted positively on MSM, didn't go after Biden through the media by planting stories, and let's be real he needed more surrogates like Ro Khanna, Pramila Jayapal, Mark Pocan, and AOC at other levels (like governors, state reps, etc)..

His margin for error was so little. And he made some errors.

The larger field also lulled the Bernie campaign to sleep. They kept the 30% strategy and blowout in California as the way to win. It almost worked. Maybe it would have worked if he lost SC by 10 points.

Biden can run the laziest campaign, have no money, have no staff in states because he was the former VP. That's it.

The dynamics were so different.

 

[StatUS]

Bernie didn't run a bad campaign but he ran one without the strategists that have a track record of winning. He had his own circle of people which he always does but he didn't have the communications person to have him be painted positively on MSM, didn't go after Biden through the media by planting stories, and let's be real he needed more surrogates like Ro Khanna, Pramila Jayapal, Mark Pocan, and AOC at other levels (like governors, state reps, etc)..

His margin for error was so little. And he made some errors.

The larger field also lulled the Bernie campaign to sleep. They kept the 30% strategy and blowout in California as the way to win. It almost worked. Maybe it would have worked if he lost SC by 10 points.

Biden can run the laziest campaign, have no money, have no staff in states because he was the former VP. That's it.

The dynamics were so different.

He didn't expect that coalescing before Super Tuesday. But my thought is if you're running a campaign at that high a level as an insurgent you need to plan for that.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Yeah, and I think we can use it as proof they would rather a Republican than a Progressive as president. They backed an inferior candidate for the general instead of Bernie just to stop Bernie. Biden beating Trump is a hope I guess but beating Bernie was the priority. Biden's best trait is Obama fukks with him. It's not policy, political savvy, charisma etc. He's cool with BO, the end.

What you just described is summed up perfectly by the responses of posters in HL. The undeniable fact is that NOBODY in HL legitimately believes any of the shyt they say about Biden doing what it took to win, and Biden connecting with black voters, and whatever other bullshyt they'll fix their fingers to type. They would be saying the same exact shyt about Klobuchar, or Bloomberg, or Buttigieg, had one of them won the Democratic lottery scratch-off ticket that Biden did. They know it's not true, but their "anybody but Bernie" biases are like a flashing neon sign when they post (and that reference wasn't even intentional, lol)

 

[AnonymityX1000]

What you just described is summed up perfectly by the responses of posters in HL. The undeniable fact is that NOBODY in HL legitimately believes any of the shyt they say about Biden doing what it took to win, and Biden connecting with black voters, and whatever other bullshyt they'll fix their fingers to type. They would be saying the same exact shyt about Klobuchar, or Bloomberg, or Buttigieg, had one of them won the Democratic lottery scratch-off ticket that Biden did. They know it's not true, but their "anybody but Bernie" biases are like a flashing neon sign when they post (and that reference wasn't even intentional, lol)

Preach, BidenBoyz I can at least respect in here. They been with him from jump. But there are a lot of Warren supporters acting like their favorite candidate won when she flamed out quicker than Bernie. Makes me think they were just never-Bernie types and not actual Warren supporters.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

He didn't expect that coalescing before Super Tuesday. But my thought is if you're running a campaign at that high a level as an insurgent you need to plan for that.

Plan how? This is what I don't understand.

Who goes into a multi-faceted war with the thought of "I need to develop a defense in the scenario that all my enemies all at once throw down their swords, gift their resources, and swear allegiance to the person they've been plotting to kill for the past year and a half."

And even if you do, what is your counter measure?

What, was he supposed to beat everyone else to the punch and endorse Biden after he won Nevada?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

There is a progressive party, the Green Party.

But they don’t win shyt

Bernie been in a Congress for 30 years. If he was gonna be in third party politics he would have done it long ago.

He knows you can only run in the Dem party to actually win.

I think this L was more self defeating moves. This was a winnable primary. Especially with the resources he had.

Green Party is weak imo. Scrap that for something more bold. The word “progressive” should be in the name if you really bout that life. The grassroots on the left is gonna have to come out and push for something more uncompromising.

More power to Bernie for trying to push candidates more to the left but you can’t go and try to run for the ticket in a party compromised by money, complain about those inequities, and then be surprised when they don’t want you.