Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[storyteller]

Gaffes didn’t sink Bush Jr. Trump. or Biden.

Maybe it’s time to admit it only plays to caricature the politician on SNL but not to make them unpopular. The economy and wars will always tell the tell.

Bush and Trump got past their gaffes because of exactly what I just explained, the Republicans dgaf. Hillary had suppressed turnout with a similar record (to Biden probably better) minus the "this person is mentally fading" gaffes. I'm not talking about SNL here. I'm talking about a man who confused his sister and wife in a victory speech. Casual observers don't look at that and go "this guy is fit to be president" and while the Dems have played nice about, the Republicans won't. The meme people won't. And that ish took an effect on Hillary.

VP wise, it’s wide open except for winning back a some of the younger progressives by grooming them as his replacement in four years.

Yeah, it's wide open...when they make a good choice, I'll give them credit for that. Not a second before that though. They blew the VP pick last time.

I didn’t vote for Bernie in 2016 and wouldn’t in 2020 unless he was the nom. The reason was because he ran the exact same campaign. The whole reason I liked Warren cause she could slow walk the moderates to a more progressive stance cause she wasn’t a known quantity. Bernie was DOA on converting moderates.

No, he didn't run the same campaign. But he certainly didn't target moderates. He went for a new type of strategy and it bared results with younger voters across the spectrum but failed with the most reliable swath of the electorate. I'm back to where I was last time, a real progressive is in trouble until the boomers die out. But none of this changes the main reason Biden made that last minute comeback, Pete and Amy dropped out to endorse him. Beto endorse him last minute too. He got over millions of dollars in free media over one weekend headed into Super Tuesday. Bernie wasn't beating that and a pivot even slightly closer to center to appease moderates would have failed as miserably for him as it did for Warren.

 

[goatmane]

 

[mitter]

Breh, I hear you. But banking our futures for a better society by targeting people who aren't old enough to drive yet doesn't instill much confidence or inspiration right now.



I'm on broken record mode, but the fact that Biden ran away with Super Tuesday when he was outraised and sleep walked through 2019 and into 2020 leaves me practically speechless.

Had Booty Judge or Klobuchar ran away with Super Tuesday outta nowhere I would have been shocked, and probably more pissed since they're worse than Joe, but it would have been semi-understandable. I'd be pissed, but still determined.

This Biden shyt is soul crushing because it shows that on a national level, certain constants are not malleable AT ALL. You can't out organize or out energize some roadblocks to progress. And that's pretty damn disheartening.

Yeah.

Biden had very little in the way of a field organization in the Super Tuesday states. And it didn't matter at all.

 

[TYBG]

How wild would it be if Biden ends up dying randomly before the Convention?

Bruh..

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I hear you but what’s our other option? Give up. That’s what they want and I ain’t gonna give them motherfukkers the satisfaction. Imma keep fighting they asses, we really need to get to our people, time and again we running to the people who ain’t done shyt for us or earned our votes cause it’s safe.

There’s no such thing as safe, the world is burning and people are dying one side is on a speed run and the other is at the slower pace. There gonna be hardships but that’s what’s necessary to make things better, look at the civil rights movement. That shyt wasn’t easy but the older folks who were kids then don’t understand this for some reason.

great post.

 

[Json]

Bush and Trump got past their gaffes because of exactly what I just explained, the Republicans dgaf. Hillary had suppressed turnout with a similar record (to Biden probably better) minus the "this person is mentally fading" gaffes. I'm not talking about SNL here. I'm talking about a man who confused his sister and wife in a victory speech. Casual observers don't look at that and go "this guy is fit to be president" and while the Dems have played nice about, the Republicans won't. The meme people won't. And that ish took an effect on Hillary.

Apparently the switched places behind him without him noticing.

I'm talking about in the larger picture. Gaffes aren't a defining trait. Parody is supposed to create an image of who the person is. Biden is a lot of gaffes and old malarkey. He's also a fighter and a genuinely good dude who lost his wife and son.

Yeah, he's out of touch with just how evil the Republicans have gotten but if you wipe them out in the Senate and House, it won't matter.

The internet isn't real life. You guys gotta realize this now. No amount of Tio Bernie, super bernio, or DBZ memes is going to work on people who aren't already disposed to him.

Biden will lose if he doesn't acknowledge his weakness with younger voters and just relies on older voters but I don't think he will.

No, he didn't run the same campaign. But he certainly didn't target moderates. He went for a new type of strategy and it bared results with younger voters across the spectrum but failed with the most reliable swath of the electorate. I'm back to where I was last time, a real progressive is in trouble until the boomers die out. But none of this changes the main reason Biden made that last minute comeback, Pete and Amy dropped out to endorse him. Beto endorse him last minute too. He got over millions of dollars in free media over one weekend headed into Super Tuesday. Bernie wasn't beating that and a pivot even slightly closer to center to appease moderates would have failed as miserably for him as it did for Warren.

That right there is why Bernie keeps losing and that is the same campaign message as 2016.

That a part of the Dems are an obstacle that needs to die. You guys say coalition but don't know what that term means.Bernie backed candidates keep getting beat cause he wasn't galvanizing people to vote in general. But to vote for him. Stop with the you aren't a real XYZ and talk about why your policy helps on day to day issues. That's why universal healthcare polls well. Stop going after moderate Dems(unless they suck) and take the fight straight to the Republicans where Dems have given up.

Bernie the unwavering maybe a good quality to some but it might mean he can't see where he's just not right.

Dems are a spectrum. You can win slices and and pockets who aren't necessarily alike cause they are willing to compromise but if you stake out that if you aren't for this, you aren't a progressive people will just keep their positions and not compromise.

 

[wtfyomom]

this is insane and depressing

 

[wtfyomom]

Biden is a good dude? so crime bill, i worked with segregationists, pathological liar biden is a good dude? you say dont go after moderates, biden belongs in the Republican party AND bernie been taking it super easy on him, foh with that nonsense, none of that is why we lost.

 

[StatUS]

Seems about right. That has to be hard to take for those state offices

 

[Apollo Kid]

Seems about right. That has to be hard to take for those state offices

Shyt is depressing to read

 

[wtfyomom]

if you have to conform to "getting things done" with paid off schills you might as well say fukk electoral politics. like ok universal health care is popular. only because of bernie first of all but beyond that, is any other dem going to even try to get it passed ?

 

[Althalucian]

Apparently the switched places behind him without him noticing.

I'm talking about in the larger picture. Gaffes aren't a defining trait. Parody is supposed to create an image of who the person is. Biden is a lot of gaffes and old malarkey. He's also a fighter and a genuinely good dude who lost his wife and son.

Yeah, he's out of touch with just how evil the Republicans have gotten but if you wipe them out in the Senate and House, it won't matter.

The internet isn't real life. You guys gotta realize this now. No amount of Tio Bernie, super bernio, or DBZ memes is going to work on people who aren't already disposed to him.

Biden will lose if he doesn't acknowledge his weakness with younger voters and just relies on older voters but I don't think he will.






That right there is why Bernie keeps losing and that is the same campaign message as 2016.

That a part of the Dems are an obstacle that needs to die. You guys say coalition but don't know what that term means.Bernie backed candidates keep getting beat cause he wasn't galvanizing people to vote in general. But to vote for him. Stop with the you aren't a real XYZ and talk about why your policy helps on day to day issues. That's why universal healthcare polls well. Stop going after moderate Dems(unless they suck) and take the fight straight to the Republicans where Dems have given up.

Bernie the unwavering maybe a good quality to some but it might mean he can't see where he's just not right.

Dems are a spectrum. You can win slices and and pockets who aren't necessarily alike cause they are willing to compromise but if you stake out that if you aren't for this, you aren't a progressive people will just keep their positions and not compromise.

On the other hand, Bernie pulled the Democratic party to the left, hard. In the end, that's good for the American people because at large we are an ignorant and selfish people. I'm glad he hammered his points into the American mind, whether they liked it or not.

Essentially, Bernie was good for moving the Overton window, less the presidency. I think he achieved that goal, even if he was aiming for something higher.

 

[Kenny West]

Media did its job with smears leading up to ST

I thought in person outreach could combat that but I guess cable news really does run the boomer vote

 

[Don Homer]

if Biden is the nominee....Trump in 3

 

[FAH1223]

How wild would it be if Biden ends up dying randomly before the Convention?

Let's not think about that