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I don't even think her supporters will back Bernie
If she didn’t treat Bernie like the fukking enemy the way he didn’t treat her like the fukking enemy, it would’ve been possible. But painting him as this sexist meanie the last 3 months means all her retarded Harry Potter reading following think the guys a fukkin Malfoy
 

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Not trying to doom and gloom, we are at an institutional disadvantage but Lee's got a point. By the way AOC's eventual run is gonna be hilarious cause it's gonna be similar to Warren's campaign with a lot of activist language that only appeals to a small sliver of the primary electorate. She's gonna get walloped by Stacey Abrams in Virginia. Progressives are winning though:francis:



 

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She's my 2nd choice too :yeshrug:
In spite of all her fukkery this race, hers is the only platform I would have shown up to vote for with certainty. :yeshrug:
I don't hate Warren, just disappointed.

But some of her supporters, especially the ones who are anti-Bernie are extremely annoying. Almost as if they're taking pleasure in this.
We need better unity from the progressives going forward.
Disappointment vs hate really depends on how you assess her intentions throughout this thing. I think progressives pretty much all will fall into that spectrum of feelings for her. But she will probably wont have to run another election campaign for the rest of her career :yeshrug:

Those folks you're talking about are not progressive, they're just anti bernie. They were forced into arguing and trolling for a garbage centrist 4 years ago. Supporting warren lets them at least act as if they're arguing from an equally progressive platform. "So if you like progressive stuff so much why not support warren?" regardless of her credibility issues.

The irl warren voters who bought her bluff are the ones im really sorry for
 
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I don't hate Warren, just disappointed.

But some of her supporters, especially the ones who are anti-Bernie are extremely annoying. Almost as if they're taking pleasure in this.
We need better unity from the progressives going forward.
Those are her ex-hillary voters. They run shyt over there.

Look how quickly some of them started guzzling Biden talking points after SC.
 

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What I hate about the Right as well as respect about them on some level is they never get tired about pushing their agenda and pushing for the things they want. Win or lose. There's a defeatist attitude on the left (even I have the urge to feel that way today) that I think is problematic for us. It's harder for us because we are fighting against a giant mainstream media machine, but the point is that the Rs never get too beat down and defeated when they lose and they still keep showing up and voting for the people they want and the policies they want. We should keep doing the same.

The ultimate underlying movement towards anti-establishment politics isn't going away anytime soon (on the left or the right).
Of course, because voting for democrats is a defeat in itself.

Biden is Trump, but we're supposed to look past it because old people don't like the way Trump makes them feel.

The defeat comes from placing hope in your community and having that hope shattered every 2 years.

Bloomberg jumped into the race and these people completely let stop and frisk slide. And we're supposed to be united? There's supposed to be a black community? Nah.

The sooner we get a clean break from black liberals the better.
 

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Of course, because voting for democrats is a defeat in itself.

Biden is Trump, but we're supposed to look past it because old people don't like the way Trump makes them feel.

The defeat comes from placing hope in your community and having that hope shattered every 2 years.

Bloomberg jumped into the race and these people completely let stop and frisk slide. And we're supposed to be united? There's supposed to be a black community? Nah.

The sooner we get a clean break from black liberals the better.
It’s really that simple. Black people in power are nothing more than power brokers that hurd the black masses to certain candidates. I really think people are underestimating how much the black left lost hope tonight. Elections like these show why nothing in our community is changing. I’m about to just walk away from it all and live my life. Dudes who stay organizing are better than me. This is 4 straight years of our own people killing the progressive movement.
 

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It’s really that simple. Black people in power are nothing more than power brokers that hurd the black masses to certain candidates. I really think people are underestimating how much the black left lost hope tonight. Elections like these show why nothing in our community is changing. I’m about to just walk away from it all and live my life. Dudes who stay organizing are better than me. This is 4 straight years of our own people killing the progressive movement.
That's what gets to me too. It's one thing to not like Sanders, but there is absolutely no hope for any type of security for the black community with the election of Biden. It's over if anyone else becomes president. With the next recession right around the corner there is 0 chance the black community can survive.

This has nothing to do with white people. This is not the fault of Republicans. Let these black liberals hold shyt down on their own so they can reveal their true inner klansman.
 

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I have to go to work so I may not be able to reply fully but let me say. I didn't say this. Read my sentence I said.


"Treating Dems like obstacles."

I'm saying instead of building your coalition. Saying they are in your way doesn't make people want to join you.

Imagine when the Red Soxs won the World Series and people in Boston were happy. Instead of calling out fans who weren't baseball fans during the bad times calling them out as fair weather posers, you said yeah! You should come to a game next season or explain the history of all the close seasons.

That makes the person want pay closer attention and learn more.

:mindblown:

That right there is why Bernie keeps losing and that is the same campaign message as 2016.

That a part of the Dems are an obstacle that needs to die. You guys say coalition but don't know what that term means.Bernie backed candidates keep getting beat cause he wasn't galvanizing people to vote in general. But to vote for him. Stop with the you aren't a real XYZ and talk about why your policy helps on day to day issues. That's why universal healthcare polls well. Stop going after moderate Dems(unless they suck) and take the fight straight to the Republicans where Dems have given up.

Bernie the unwavering maybe a good quality to some but it might mean he can't see where he's just not right.

Dems are a spectrum. You can win slices and and pockets who aren't necessarily alike cause they are willing to compromise but if you stake out that if you aren't for this, you aren't a progressive people will just keep their positions and not compromise.

This isn't a sport. We're not playing a game. I've offered you a lot of tangibles to work with here and inform on why I've concluded that moderate voters stunt the party moving further left:
1. The big reason Biden won yesterday was the dropouts and endorsements. Not Bernie hurting anyone's feelings.
2. Biden's gaffes will be capitalized on by Republicans and outside interference groups; this is a real problem acknowledged by our intelligence community.
3. Boomers vote for moderates over progressives. Younger generations vote for Progressives over moderates.

I'm sorry if my wording was harsh, but it's just what the data says. Dems are a spectrum and the spectrum of voters who block progressives while pumping up the moderates are the oldest voters in the mix. As those voters leave the voting pool, the younger generations that support progressives will gain more and more influence. You don't have to like it for it to be true. And I will continue to treat those voters as if they're obstacles for as long as they cost us opportunities to advance a more progressive agenda.

And me saying that, doesn't make it Bernie's campaign message. The internet isn't reality right? Go listen to what Bernie says instead of conflating what I say on a message board with what Bernie's campaign has been saying.
 
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