Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[OfTheCross]

What fight? There will be a spectacle vote that will get M4A publicly shot down and then Bernie is where? Same place Warren is (reality), trying to adopt her plan, except he will have a big L hanging over his head due to his signature policy being shot down. I truly don’t see the appeal in doing suicide missions. This isn’t bold, it’s dumb.

Bernie is trying to replicate what he did in Vermont.

He'll run on a platform to help the working class and poor. The working class and poor will vote him in, despite Party politics. The Party will try to sabotage him and people will vote against the initiatives that he was elected to complete. He will then directly address the "no" votes by going to their constituents and getting those "No" people voted out during midterms.

He did that in Vermont. He can do it nationally.

 

[storyteller]

What fight? There will be a spectacle vote that will get M4A publicly shot down and then Bernie is where? Same place Warren is (reality), trying to adopt her plan, except he will have a big L hanging over his head due to his signature policy being shot down. I truly don’t see the appeal in doing suicide missions. This isn’t bold, it’s dumb.

That's a lost of assumptions and uncertain conclusions that you're passing off to build this narrative.

Assumption 1: Single payer definitely won't pass.

Assumption 2: That a compromise bill would be considered a loss.

Assumption 3: That Warren would definitely get a Public Option passed.

Assumption 4: That a compromise down from Bernie's current single payer proposal will end up being the same as Warren's Public Option stop gap plan and not something different (and potentially better).

Missing from this.
Realization related to assumption 1: The only way to even potentially pass Single payer would be to actually try to get it to pass. This is obvious.

Realization related to assumption 2: Virtually every bill comes down to compromises..but that's not exclusive to M4A.

Realization related to assumption 3: So there would likely be compromises involved in even getting a Public Option passed. Especially since that's set as the end point goal for the first half of Warren's imaginary M4A plan.

Realization related to assumption 4: And if you start compromising down from whatever her Public Option proposal is, you get something weaker. Whereas is you compromise down from an actual bold proposal, the pressure can cause people like your crucial voter Joe Manchin to actually start entertaining something like a Public Option. Which is how we got him to even broach the topic as a possibility in the first place.

 

[King Kreole]

Bernie is trying to replicate what he did in Vermont.

He'll run on a platform to help the working class and poor. The working class and poor will vote him in, despite Party politics. The Party will try to sabotage him and people will vote against the initiatives that he was elected to complete. He will then directly address the "no" votes by going to their constituents and getting those "No" people voted out during midterms.

He did that in Vermont. He can do it nationally.

Manchin and Sinema won't be up for reelection in the midterms. There are 12 Dems who will be: Harris, Bennet, Blumenthal, Schatz, Duckworth, Van Hollen, Cortez Masto, Hassan, Schumer, Wyden, Leahy, and Murray. Who is Bernie going to support a primary against and risk turning into an enemy should the primary fail? Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer? Like, c'mon man, what are we really saying here? Are we just talking shyt or nah? Saying that because Bernie Sanders was able to stage a coup in Burlington, Vermont 40 years ago with a population of 38,000 means he can do it nationally as President is fukking absurd.

 

[OfTheCross]

Manchin and Sinema won't be up for reelection in the midterms. There are 12 Dems who will be: Harris, Bennet, Blumenthal, Schatz, Duckworth, Van Hollen, Cortez Masto, Hassan, Schumer, Wyden, Leahy, and Murray. Who is Bernie going to support a primary against and risk turning into an enemy should the primary fail? Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer? Like, c'mon man, what are we really saying here? Are we just talking shyt or nah? Saying that because Bernie Sanders was able to stage a coup in Burlington, Vermont 40 years ago with a population of 38,000 means he can do it nationally as President is fukking absurd.

Look at all of these seats up in the midterms...you think Republicans don't want healthcare and Union jobs and education?

 

[King Kreole]

Assumption 1: Single payer definitely won't pass.

Extremely reasonable assumption.

Assumption 2: That a compromise bill would be considered a loss.

There is no compromise bill. Bernie has pledged to put up his M4A bill for a vote immediately. The results of that vote will be the results. Any negotiations or compromise will have to take place after the vote on Bernie's bill.

Assumption 3: That Warren would definitely get a Public Option passed.

Definitely not assuming she can get it passed, I'm just stating that this is her plan and I believe it has a better chance of being passed than Bernie's full M4A bill.

Assumption 4: That a compromise down from Bernie's current single payer proposal will end up being the same as Warren's Public Option stop gap plan and not something different (and potentially better).

Good point, I'd be interested to see what sacrifices Bernie would be willing to make to get healthcare expansion passed.

Realization related to assumption 1: The only way to even potentially pass Single payer would be to actually try to get it to pass. This is obvious.

My point is that trying to get single payer passed doesn't only mean putting up a doomed vote on single payer before the congressional support is there. There's not only one way to eat a hamburger. Liz's plan is to eat it in two bites. Bernie is trying to cram the whole thing in his mouth at once.

Realization related to assumption 2: Virtually every bill comes down to compromises..but that's not exclusive to M4A.

Sure.

Realization related to assumption 3: So there would likely be compromises involved in even getting a Public Option passed. Especially since that's set as the end point goal for the first half of Warren's imaginary M4A plan.

Sure.

Realization related to assumption 4: And if you start compromising down from whatever her Public Option proposal is, you get something weaker. Whereas is you compromise down from an actual bold proposal, the pressure can cause people like your crucial voter Joe Manchin to actually start entertaining something like a Public Option. Which is how we got him to even broach the topic as a possibility in the first place.

I don't think this is how political negotiations work.

 

[King Kreole]

Look at all of these seats up in the midterms...you think Republicans don't want healthcare and Union jobs and education?

No, I don't believe a Bernie Sanders candidacy means these red states will turn blue downticket.

 

[afterlife2009]

Trump retweets photo showing Bernie Sanders "free sh*t" sign in grass with feces

What’s really funny about Trump retweeting that is all these MAGA accounts are all of sudden going after Bernie because they get their cues from Trump‘s twitter feed and since Trump is the definition of a low information cable news viewer, he didn’t even know Bernie was a threat to win the nomination until five days ago

 

[DEAD7]

@King Kreole what percentage of the population does she represent? And why is helping undocumented immigrants specifically a winning strategy for Bernie and helping blacks specifically not?

... and why should blacks get behind him when other democratic candidates are willing to address black issues in a more direct way?

 

[afterlife2009]

@King Kreole in this video Warren says she's gonna do what Bernie has been saying all along for getting health care passed -- 50 senators + VP

It's hilarious that some Warren technocrats went full send on Bernie for reconciliation... saying how it was unworkable and that Liz is the serious wonk. Now two days before 2020 Liz is telling you she's doing the Bernie strategy now

 

[OfTheCross]

@King Kreole what percentage of the population does she represent? And why is helping undocumented immigrants specifically a winning strategy for Bernie and helping blacks specifically not?

... and why should blacks get behind him when other democratic candidates are willing to address black issues in a more direct way?

Follow DR man...we NEED immigration reform. Period. Every President has said that since Reagan.

Reform the system and lock the border so they come in correctly.

All these BS scare tactics were tried against BO too and he was the Deporter-in-Chief

Foh

 

[Heelish]

@King Kreole in this video Warren says she's gonna do what Bernie has been saying all along for getting health care passed -- 50 senators + VP

It's hilarious that some Warren technocrats went full send on Bernie for reconciliation... saying how it was unworkable and that Liz is the serious wonk. Now two days before 2020 Liz is telling you she's doing the Bernie strategy now

That desperation

Elizabeth Warren's campaign sounds the alarm as fundraising pace slows about 30% in fourth quarter

• Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s campaign told supporters in an email on Friday that, so far, it has raised just over $17 million in the fourth quarter, a significant drop from her fundraising haul during the third quarter.
• If the $17 million total stands that would represent a 30% drop from the previous quarter. The quarter ends in four days.
• The development comes after Warren’s momentum in the Democratic primary race slowed down in recent months. At one point she was virtually neck-and-neck with Joe Biden at the top of national polling averages.

 

[storyteller]

@King Kreole what percentage of the population does she represent? And why is helping undocumented immigrants specifically a winning strategy for Bernie and helping blacks specifically not?

... and why should blacks get behind him when other democratic candidates are willing to address black issues in a more direct way?

Kinda weird to compare black issues to immigration issues (immigration being inclusive of all races). My guess would be that you're assuming undocumented immigrants is an issue that predominantly targets Latin demographics (potentially circling in Bernie bodying the field with Latin voters, most evident in California). That's fair I suppose, it does have an outsized impact on some demographics rather than others. But if that's the case then policies that have an outsized impact on the black community ought to circle in as targeting black issues.

But anyway...Bernie wants to make HBCU's part of the free college program and baked into many of his plans are steps that will have a direct positive impact on blacks. For example, his marijuana legalization and taxation would spin the revenue into a grant program for minority owned businesses, another grant program targeted at communities disproportionately hit by the war on drugs (we know who they targeted, so we know where this will be most beneficial). You can also find a lot of investments in low-income and disadvantaged communities, which given the financial breakdown of the nation, would have an outsized impact on communities of color.

Another way to look at this would be to check out what Bernie's platform as a whole would appear to do to the wealth gap. I haven't gone deep on this angle but I recall some heads on lefty twitter getting into it over the impact of Student Debt Forgiveness and the point being argued was that it would have an outsized impact on black wealth due to the racial disparity in student loan debt. I'm not gonna front that I haven't gone deep on this specifically but here's a quick article that gives some info on where that point seemed to come from: Racial Disparities in Student Loan Debt

 

[Cookie]

The winds are in our sail.

Feels good. Let's keep it going till Iowa, NH, Super Tuesday, and onwards.

#NotMeUs

 

[AnonymityX1000]

That desperation

Elizabeth Warren's campaign sounds the alarm as fundraising pace slows about 30% in fourth quarter

• Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s campaign told supporters in an email on Friday that, so far, it has raised just over $17 million in the fourth quarter, a significant drop from her fundraising haul during the third quarter.
• If the $17 million total stands that would represent a 30% drop from the previous quarter. The quarter ends in four days.
• The development comes after Warren’s momentum in the Democratic primary race slowed down in recent months. At one point she was virtually neck-and-neck with Joe Biden at the top of national polling averages.

Weird her M4A doomed her to this extent. We're than any other factors?

 

[afterlife2009]

Weird her M4A doomed her to this extent. We're than any other factors?

She hasn't a good debate in three months. Buttigieg was going shot for shot against a Harvard law professor and two term U.S. senator. Most people don't react to policy details, she couldn't explain her position on health care and it made her look untrustworthy. It's exactly the same thing Boris Johnson did to Corbyn at the UK debates. Boris asked him four times about Brexit which was the most important issue to voters and Corbyn kept dodging. The global electorate is punishing candidates if they get the feeling that they are not sure about their own position.

Plus you remember the NYT/Siena battleground poll from November where Warren was doing worse than Sanders/Biden in the swing states Hillary lost? Electability is the top priority for voters so I think that spooked a lot of people.