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[Berniewood Hogan]

age limits

We'll take care of that after the passing of Brother Bernie in about 20 years after his fifth term is up.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

I am subbing out Texas by not specifying your reasons for being in that state because it doesn't matter due to it being a personal decision

But let every state have the same weather as Cali, access to oil reserves like Texas, while having the night life of NY and with water reserves due to the ice age, like Maine...more likely the population would be balanced across states
Since that's not a reality, the next best thing is to not punish states with less residents because of mother nature's decisions or popularity among thrill seekers, which is what the current system is trying to do

There's a difference between not punishing small states for the sake of fairness...and giving small states over representation which creates unfairness.
You can't punish large states then come back and say "hey at least we aren't punishing small states anymore!"

If this is considered the next best thing, time to go back to the drawing board and try again. At least Bernie sees it now.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

There's a difference between not punishing small states for the sake of fairness...and giving small states over representation which creates unfairness.
You can't punish large states then come back and say "hey at least we aren't punishing small states anymore!"

If this is considered the next best thing, time to go back to the drawing board and try again. At least Bernie sees it now.

You're not punishing large states if the same rules apply to all states regardless of population, unlike punishing smaller populated states, which will overwhelmingly benefit larger states

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

You're not punishing large states if the same rules apply to all states regardless of population, unlike punishing smaller populated states, which will overwhelmingly benefit larger states

The only way to actually act fairly and treat all states the same would be to give each state the same amount of electoral votes. The electoral college doesn't create fairness between states...instead, it chooses to marginalize big states instead of small states. That is not "fair."

That's before you even get to who problematic it is to use "winner take all" as the way to award electoral votes in most states.

If the goal of the electoral college is to create any type of fairness, it's sad that it has to marginalize so many votes to achieve this.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

The only way to actually act fairly and treat all states the same would be to give each state the same amount of electoral votes. The electoral college doesn't create fairness between states...instead, it chooses to marginalize big states instead of small states. That is not "fair."
That's before you even get to who problematic it is to use "winner take all" as the way to award electoral votes in most states.
If the goal of the electoral college is to create any type of fairness, it's sad that it has to marginalize so many votes to achieve this.

if you're arguing to tweak the current system, then I'll co-sign
but to advocate for replacing it so to knowingly benefit and undermine certain states is unamerican and doesn't that lead to facism?

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

if you're arguing to tweak the current system, then I'll co-sign
but to advocate for replacing it so to knowingly benefit and undermine certain states is unamerican and doesn't that lead to facism?

The goal is to reduce the voter disenfranchisement that the current system creates, eliminating voter disenfranchisement isn't going to lead to facism.
Also, in terms of being unamerican...it will be hard to top a minority party winning the election, installing multiple supreme court judges with lifetime appointments and damaging our institutions. The current electoral college allowed that to happen so I am willing to take my chances on fixing it, even if that means we throw it in the trash.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

The goal is to reduce the voter disenfranchisement that the current system creates, eliminating voter disenfranchisement isn't going to lead to facism.
Also, in terms of being unamerican...it will be hard to top a minority party winning the election, installing multiple supreme court judges with lifetime appointments and damaging our institutions. The current electoral college allowed that to happen so I am willing to take my chances on fixing it, even if that means we throw it in the trash.

nah, the current voting system is to benefit states, there are separate efforts to address voter disenfranchisement

Going down the slippery slope of justifying any blatant undermining of an entire state leads to fascism because you're suppressing opposition, weakening state/local governments, and allowing fewer states to determine the President[narrowing of power]

 

[DEAD7]

Without the electoral college the candidates will have an incentive to grab every vote they can in EVERY state.

Abolishing the EC would give candidates from high population states too much of an advantage/headstart... its also extremely partisan with blue states having higher populations than red states on average...
... your asking republicans to vote for their death, which as awesome as it sounds on this board, is ridiculous in real life.
There must be other ways to balance the scales.



That said, everyone on the left should want the EC gone.It means you win more.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Abolishing the EC would give candidates from high population states too much of an advantage/headstart... its also extremely partisan with blue states having higher populations than red states on average...

How would it give candidates a head start when the primaries still start in Iowa and the electoral college doesn't even come into play until the very end of the race?

How is it "partisan" that there are more Democrats than Republicans?

 

[DEAD7]

How would it give candidates a head start when the primaries still start in Iowa and the electoral college doesn't even come into play until the very end of the race?

How is it "partisan" that there are more Democrats than Republicans?

Being from say Cali , and having California "in your pocket" would be a huge head start in a popular vote over candidates from much smaller flyover states.
Seems obvious, unless im missing something?

Abolishing the EC is a leftist policy that unlocks the huge majorities held in CA and NY, and diminishes geographic diversity. The EC protects the little guy, and while possibly in need of some form of reform(im a fan of the maine an Nebraska provisions) shouldn't be abolished. tyranny of the majority blah blah blah, gang rape is direct democracy blah blah blah


imagine a national recount... the fukkery

 

[Snoopy Loops]

if you're arguing to tweak the current system, then I'll co-sign
but to advocate for replacing it so to knowingly benefit and undermine certain states is unamerican and doesn't that lead to facism?

What a fukking reach

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

What a fukking reach

why not reply to the explanation

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

What a fukking reach

Dealing with a bad faith actor

 

[storyteller]

Republicans want to have their cake and eat it too. After the Supreme Court made this decision which basically makes gerrymandering an even bigger issue than it already is...I say gloves are off. Eliminate the electoral college, stack the court than change the process entirely and point to the breakdown of the system spurred on by Republicans who stacked the deck in their favor by abusing the electoral college to their own advantages in the first place.

NPR Choice page

Roberts noted that excessive partisanship in the drawing of districts does lead to results that "reasonably seem unjust," but he said that does not mean it is the court's responsibility to find a solution.

Now just two years away from the redrawing of new districts at the start of the next decade, legislators in states that have control of all levels of governments after the 2020 election may feel emboldened by the ruling, said Justin Levitt, an election law professor at Loyola Law School.

"We are in Mad Max territory now; there are no rules," Levitt said. "I think you'll see more legislators in more states [where there is unilateral control] taking up the mantle of extreme partisan aggression against people who disagree with them."

Probably also worth noting the the Senate allowing just 2 reps regardless of the size of the population is a pretty nice way to keep those states' representation fair and influential as it is without devaluing the votes of the majority of Americans in the name of states with a smaller population.

 

[wtfyomom]

the electoral college is retarded, there is no argument for it. oh boo hoo the ten people that live in north dakota arent worth as much as the millions in cali, so lets let them decide the election, what other dumb ass country does this? in the UK do they say, you know what fukk london, where gonna let some town with 200 people have as much say, the bottom line youre arguing for something where the person who gets LESS votes wins, thats ass backwards. lol at eliminating the electoral college being fascist when the electoral college is the entire reason fascists (the religious right) have taken over the country.