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[AZBeauty]

Warren said this month's ago.

Elizabeth Warren Gets the Argument Against the Electoral College Exactly Right

March 2019.

 

[Pressure]

3 years later, I guess he's finished reexamining it.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Warren said this month's ago.

Warren was a Republican until she was 50 years old.

Frankly, I don't believe a word she says.

 

[ColdSlither]

Warren was a Republican until she was 50 years old.

Frankly, I don't believe a word she says.

She was a liberal Republican. Liberal Republicans is how the Civil Rights Act got passed. Being a Republican was a lot less about ideology. When she switched parties, it’s right after Republicans made their full turn to the dark side. It’s right after that 1994 election when all those hard right wing Republicans came to Congress.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

imagine getting geeked by your fav politician announcing interest to render future swing states' voters decision useless, whiling trying to secure votes from swing state voters

Spoiler

stanwars in sports is amusing, in politicos...it's not only dangerous but expose their blind loyalty, true motivations and pure selfishness

 

[Professor Emeritus]

imagine getting geeked by your fav politician announcing interest to render future swing states' voters decision useless, whiling trying to secure votes from swing state voters

Spoiler

stanwars in sports is amusing, in politicos...it's not only dangerous but expose their blind loyalty, true motivations and pure selfishness

How would their decision be useless? Their decision would be worth the exact same amount as every other voter when they step into the voting booth.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

How would their decision be useless? Their decision would be worth the exact same amount as every other voter when they step into the voting booth.

what politician not finna do most/all of their campaigning in states with the most voters...coast states

 

[ExodusNirvana]

I feel like there's something we're not seeing here with the removal of the Electoral College...it sounds good on paper but I don't know why

I feel like we've discussed this before as well...trying to find the old threads

 

[Professor Emeritus]

what politician not finna do most/all of their campaigning in states with the most voters...coast states

You're thinking in the past. Campaigning doesn't even require the physical presence of the candidate anymore. Trump loved his rallies but he actually did fewer in-person events than most candidates and still won.

All the movement is in social media, traditional media, and targeted ad buys on one end, and get-out-the-vote efforts and massive ground engagement on the other end. The physical presence of the candidate at rallies is mostly a sideshow.

On top of that, plenty of swing states (Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and soon to be Texas) are big enough that presidents will still campaign there themselves even with a popular vote. Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada will still get tons of focus because they come early in the primary calendar. So who is losing out, New Mexico?

Better than the current system, where every state with a big enough margin is ignored completely. Without the electoral college the candidates will have an incentive to grab every vote they can in EVERY state.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

imagine getting geeked by your fav politician announcing interest to render future swing states' voters decision useless, whiling trying to secure votes from swing state voters

Spoiler

stanwars in sports is amusing, in politicos...it's not only dangerous but expose their blind loyalty, true motivations and pure selfishness

I live in Texas which hasn't been blue since the 70s. My vote is already rendered useless by the electoral college.
I could vote red/blue or independent, does not matter.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

The electoral college should be removed, no state should be "winner take all" at minimum the states should split the votes proportionally based on the popular vote.

Small state and swing state voters would lose some power, but that's mostly because they are overrepresented in the current system.

 

[MMS]

I feel like there's something we're not seeing here with the removal of the Electoral College...it sounds good on paper but I don't know why

I feel like we've discussed this before as well...trying to find the old threads

its not good at all

this country is a republic despite what people would like to think. What is a reality in a city is not a reality when you live on the land. Too many city-goers are completely out of the loop of what it actually takes to take care of one's self without society and/or the government

the truth is democracies (real ones) all failed due to majority party corruption. Rome is the best example of what happens when power gets too consolidated. You can placate people with bread and circuses only for so long. People are restless because the worker life faux American dream being peddled is literally a blip inside the 1000s of years of human history.

A "job" in any other time in history was indentured servitude, sharecropping or outright slavery. Don't be surprised when companies expand their safety nets to keep more people in their sphere of influence. This is the real scam imo

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

You're thinking in the past. Campaigning doesn't even require the physical presence of the candidate anymore. Trump loved his rallies but he actually did fewer in-person events than most candidates and still won.
All the movement is in social media, traditional media, and targeted ad buys on one end, and get-out-the-vote efforts and massive ground engagement on the other end. The physical presence of the candidate at rallies is mostly a sideshow.
On top of that, plenty of swing states (Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and soon to be Texas) are big enough that presidents will still campaign there themselves even with a popular vote. Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada will still get tons of focus because they come early in the primary calendar. So who is losing out, New Mexico?
Better than the current system, where every state with a big enough margin is ignored completely. Without the electoral college the candidates will have an incentive to grab every vote they can in EVERY state.

it has nothing to do with technology or how to get your message out, it has to do with each state having their unique problems playing a role in electing a President that will address it

I live in Texas which hasn't been blue since the 70s. My vote is already rendered useless by the electoral college.

understood. But the electoral college is about fairness among states not individual voters
You chose to live in Texas for whatever reasons and if those reasons existed in every other state then, maybe you and others would move there. But there're no reasons that exist in every state in order to encourage a balance migration

 

[Pressure]

its not good at all

this country is a republic despite what people would like to think. What is a reality in a city is not a reality when you live on the land. Too many city-goers are completely out of the loop of what it actually takes to take care of one's self without society and/or the government

the truth is democracies (real ones) all failed due to majority party corruption. Rome is the best example of what happens when power gets too consolidated. You can placate people with bread and circuses only for so long. People are restless because the worker life faux American dream being peddled is literally a blip inside the 1000s of years of human history.

A "job" in any other time in history was indentured servitude, sharecropping or outright slavery. Don't be surprised when companies expand their safety nets to keep more people in their sphere of influence. This is the real scam imo

I've read nothing about removing the senate nor the house.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

understood. But the electoral college is about fairness among states not individual voters
You chose to live in Texas for whatever reasons and if those reasons existed in every other state then, maybe you and others would move there. But there're no reasons that exist in every state in order to encourage a balance migration

You fundamentally cannot have "fairness among states" if there is not fairness among "individual voters" from different states.

The electoral college is at best a failed attempt at achieving fairness between states, because WHOOPSIE it created additional unfairness.