Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[Professor Emeritus]

it has nothing to do with technology or how to get your message out, it has to do with each state having their unique problems playing a role in electing a President that will address it

Each voter has their unique problems. Right now presidential voters don't give a shyt about Black folk in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, etc....you know, where MOST Black folk live. Because due to the electoral college their votes don't count. Hell, there's no reason to cater to California, Illinois, or New York Black folk either.

No state is a monolith (except maybe fukking West Virginia). The electoral college screws over many individual voters, especially Black voters, because it only cares about minorities in the rare case where minorities live in substantial numbers in a swing state.

In a modern election, presidents can focus on all 50 states easily. It's about platform, targeted ads, and ground game, rallies don't mean anything. But presidential candidates still ignore most states because they have no motive to try.

understood. But the electoral college is about fairness among states not individual voters

And this ain't 1784 anymore with a few rich powerful white men controlling the destiny of each state.

In 2019 individual voters are trying to control their own destiny. And they can't do that in an outdated system.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

this country is a republic despite what people would like to think. What is a reality in a city is not a reality when you live on the land. Too many city-goers are completely out of the loop of what it actually takes to take care of one's self without society and/or the government

rural americans don't "live off the land" in 2019, they're all on welfare

 

[MMS]

rural americans don't "live off the land" in 2019, they're all on welfare

this is the fallacy

subsidies for growing XYZ crops is not the same

if you grew or built something, you could get subsidies too but that doesn't fit your narrative. You were better as an alias

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

still bernie

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

this is the fallacy

subsidies for growing XYZ crops is not the same

if you grew or built something, you could get subsidies too but that doesn't fit your narrative. You were better as an alias

i'm not talking about agricultural subsidies, i'm telling you all these redneck fatasses are living off government checks. fake disability claims, food stamps, everything they complain about "city folk" doing.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

You fundamentally cannot have "fairness among states" if there is not fairness among "individual voters" from different states.

The electoral college is at best a failed attempt at achieving fairness between states, because WHOOPSIE it created additional unfairness.

you can't have fairness among states based on the number of residence
Just cause you chose to live there for personal reasons don't mean that other states should be punished

Each voter has their unique problems. Right now presidential voters don't give a shyt about Black folk in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, etc....you know, where MOST Black folk live. Because due to the electoral college their votes don't count. Hell, there's no reason to cater to California, Illinois, or New York Black folk either.
No state is a monolith (except maybe fukking West Virginia). The electoral college screws over many individual voters, especially Black voters, because it only cares about minorities in the rare case where minorities live in substantial numbers in a swing state.
And this ain't 1784 anymore with a few rich powerful white men controlling the destiny of each state.
In 2019 individual voters are trying to control their own destiny. And they can't do that in an outdated system.

again, trying to balance fairness among states rightfully takes precedence because any residences' unique problems are perceived differently among the residence
Problems that aren't unique, that's beyond politics and innate to every country, like illegal immigration, is viewed differently depending on where you reside/race/religion/party etc....too much varying parts to build an electoral system on

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Nice flip flops Bernie

Slow clap

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

you can't have fairness among states based on the number of residence
Just cause you chose to live there for personal reasons don't mean that other states should be punished

I'm not asking for other states to be punished, and this has nothing to do with where I live personally. You could sub Texas out for any non-swing state and the underlying point is the same.
At minimum I think that states should be treated equally in terms of the voting power they have relative to their populations, the electoral college doesn't as is doesn't even manage to achieve this.

Slate’s Use of Your Data

Large states shouldn't be punished so we can pretend the Electoral College creates fairness among states. You are the one supporting punishing states, by supporting the EC...which punishes states.

 

[MMS]

i'm not talking about agricultural subsidies, i'm telling you all these redneck fatasses are living off government checks. fake disability claims, food stamps, everything they complain about "city folk" doing.

sounds like you're stereotyping them to me the same exact way they would do towards black people

i have plenty of colleagues from school who operate farms who aren't doing that at all

The problem with the narrative that a guy like Bernie is postulating ultimately drives more and more people into corporations as new drones. (frankly all democrats do this and most republicans)

"good paying jobs" = being on the tit to a company or the government to sustain one's self. As opposed to recognizing the need to produce wealth from within your household

wages are shyt because businesses know that if the most common route the average american takes is to get a job then that means all they need to do is be selective. Wages by default will go down due to competition.

In an economy with MORE small businesses wages must increase to pull people away from starting their own thing.

This is why I say that jobs are not the answer, financial education is.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

I'm not asking for other states to be punished, and this has nothing to do with where I live personally. You could sub Texas out for any non-swing state and the underlying point is the same.
At minimum I think that states should be treated equally in terms of the voting power they have relative to their populations, the electoral college doesn't as is doesn't even manage to achieve this.
Slate’s Use of Your Data

Large states shouldn't be punished so we can pretend the Electoral College creates fairness among states. You are the one supporting punishing states, by supporting the EC...which punishes states.

I am subbing out Texas by not specifying your reasons for being in that state because it doesn't matter due to it being a personal decision

But let every state have the same weather as Cali, access to oil reserves like Texas, while having the night life of NY and with water reserves due to the ice age, like Maine...more likely the population would be balanced across states
Since that's not a reality, the next best thing is to not punish states with less residents because of mother nature's decisions or popularity among thrill seekers, which is what the current system is trying to do

 

[Starman]

We are not merely a single country but a union of individual states. The entire country should not be dragged in the direction of New York and California because they're so populous.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

We are not merely a single country but a union of individual states. The entire country should not be dragged in the direction of New York and California because they're so populous.

fukk you, one person, one vote

north dakota? suck my dikk. west virginia? eat ass. wyoming? i don't even know where that is, i think it's one of the square ones.

 

[Snoopy Loops]

People saying that removing electoral college is unfair to small states is absolute bs. They’re acting we have firm borders between states and people can’t move and become residents in different states with ease, like being resident of a state is synonymous to being a citizen of a state.

Also the electoral college marginalizes votes in big states that are contrary to the status quo. Imagine a republican in LA or a Democrat in Arizona, if they know it’s a fairly insurmountable task for their to vote to count meaningfully then why would he/she bother with process. Voter involvement takes a hit. Political strongholds form.

It boggles the mind as to why anyone thinks this is a good idea. The main issue is why should it’s a winner take all situation. What kind of shyt is that?

 

[Strapped]

Give me a vote on term & age limits please

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

I think it’s great that Bandwagon Bernie is finally getting onboard don’t get me wrong.