Obama Ties Broken Families To Gun Violence In Emotional Chicago Speech

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Black intellectualism wouldn't counter all the systematic discrimination against black people

If anything it would just prompt the powers that be to change their strategies.

But you're right its all black people's fault and intellectualism + abandoning black culture is our only salvation

I agree the powers that be will change their strategies. There's going to be a lot of blow back.

Sooner than later black people will be stripped of their right to vote and to an education.


Black people will suffer

 

[theworldismine13]

I agree the powers that be will change their strategies. There's going to be a lot of blow back.

Sooner than later black people will be stripped of their right to vote and an education.


Black people will suffer

lol @ this, i think its funny how people (not you personally) are going around calling people sellouts and house ******s but deep down inside yall are just some scared ass negroes that cling to "progressive" ideology like if your life depended on it, it doesnt

the fate of the black race depends on what black people do, its not dependent on what white people do

 

[theworldismine13]

TWISM you want to talk about education....

For the last year and a half my job has been energy auditing NYC's public schools. The gulf in resources between the rich and poor districts is alarming. Your vague allusions to "charter schools" being the be all end all of education reform would only exacerbate this gulf in resources. Are there cultural issues at hand too? Of course. But to take those as the whole problem while either writing off or having no understanding of the structural (read: govt) issues is silly

Yea we shouldn't be committing crimes, but on the flip side if we do commit crimes we shouldn't be subject to a completely different court system. Yea we should do better academically, but when our schools and resources are second rate just by measures like student to teacher ratios, curricula, facility conditions, we are at a disadvantage before you even compare efforts.

You scream "black progress black progress" but seem to seek to blame the lack of it solely on black people, turning a blind eye to any of its impediments that lie beyond our control.

yo man, if i say the public education system needs to be destroyed and rebuilt why the fuk are you asking me to defend the current system? why the fuk do you think im saying the system needs to be destroyed and rebuilt?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

yo man, if i say the public education system needs to be destroyed and rebuilt why the fuk are you asking me to defend the current system? why the fuk do you think im saying the system needs to be destroyed and rebuilt?

Nobody asked you to defend anything. My point is the racial gulfs in education go further than "black culture"

 

[theworldismine13]

Nobody asked you to defend anything. My point is the racial gulfs in education go further than "black culture"

Yeah but suggesting that the public school system needs to be destroyed and rebuilt also goes beyond "black culture"

Nothing I'm saying makes sense if you are a scared ass negro that thinks your future depends on white people

 

[OneManGang]

TWISM you want to talk about education....

For the last year and a half my job has been energy auditing NYC's public schools. The gulf in resources between the rich and poor districts is alarming. Your vague allusions to "charter schools" being the be all end all of education reform would only exacerbate this gulf in resources. Are there cultural issues at hand too? Of course. But to take those as the whole problem while either writing off or having no understanding of the structural (read: govt) issues is silly

Yea we shouldn't be committing crimes, but on the flip side if we do commit crimes we shouldn't be subject to a completely different court system. Yea we should do better academically, but when our schools and resources are second rate just by measures like student to teacher ratios, curricula, facility conditions, we are at a disadvantage before you even compare efforts.

You scream "black progress black progress" but seem to seek to blame the lack of it solely on black people, turning a blind eye to any of its impediments that lie beyond our control.

I dont think anyone here will disagree about blacks being short changed in the academic system. Where I have an issue however, is we arent even trying to maximize our potential with the cards we've been dealt. Where I also take issue....is in districts where blacks are on the same playing field as whites...we still find ways to overwhelmingly be at the bottom of the pack. There are hundreds of schools in this country where whites and other races are graduating, and going to universities at much higher rates than african americans. Not even gonna use blacks here because foreign blacks arent nearly as close to the bottom of the barrel. We (all of us... dont care where you from now we all black) need to start controlling our own destinies becuase as all of you already know nobody else gives two shyts about us. It will be a cold day in hell before all these changes you all are talking about come into effect at the rate we are going now.

 

[Serious]

Where I also take issue....is in districts where blacks are on the same playing field as whites...we still find ways to overwhelmingly be at the bottom of the pack. There are hundreds of schools in this country where whites and other races are graduating, and going to universities at much higher rates than african americans.

Yep I have quite a few friends, who come from privileged backgrounds where, "both" parents are tenured professionals, live in a virtually crime-less city, average household income is 68k, had all the resources to succeed readily available to them at their disposal. Went to schools with an abundance of resources, yet still managed to not graduate high school, and eventually drop out of "GED" courses, to pursue a "lucrative" career in rapping.( )

 

[No1]

Twism spitting that truth

*still waiting for @BarNone 's response *

I don't post like that anymore. But I am more ideologically like you than probably anyone else on here breh. I've never said you were wrong, I just disagree about where the balance of blame should go. Without reading this thread or hearing this speech I assume that some combination of you, newark and twism said whatever I would have.

 

[OneManGang]

Yep I have quite a few friends, who come from privileged backgrounds where, "both" parents are tenured professionals, live in a virtually crime-less city, average household income is 68k, had all the resources to succeed readily available to them at their disposal. Went to schools with an abundance of resources, yet still managed to not graduate high school, and eventually drop out of "GED" courses, to pursue a "lucrative" career in rapping.( )

Too often you see these situations where the parents work hard and try to provide...but these dumb ass kids squander it all away.

 

[kermit da hustla]

lol @ this, i think its funny how people (not you personally) are going around calling people sellouts and house ******s but deep down inside yall are just some scared ass negroes that cling to "progressive" ideology like if your life depended on it, it doesnt

the fate of the black race depends on what black people do, its not dependent on what white people do

The fate of black Americans is directly a result of white people shipping our ancestors from Africa to this land 400 years ago. Are you really arguing that the destiny of our people hasn't been significantly shaped by white hands?

 

[OneManGang]

The fate of black Americans is directly a result of white people shipping our ancestors from Africa to this land 400 years ago. Are you really arguing that the destiny of our people hasn't been significantly shaped by white hands?

Not our destiny. Our past has been significantly shaped by the white man. His deeds currently haunt our present....but our future has yet to be decided upon. Its our job to mold our own destiny.

 

[theworldismine13]

Not our destiny. Our past has been significantly shaped by the white man. His deeds currently haunt our present....but our future has yet to be decided upon. Its our job to mold our own destiny.

 

[The Real]

but the large amount of blacks in prison is due to low education in the black community, i disagree that large numbers in prison causes low education in the black community

yeah people do participate under their own free will unless you can prove people are innocent, you can jiggle with drug laws and criminal laws all day long and at the end of day blacks will still be disproportionate because black people have disproportionately lower education

The account of low education as the reason for why Black people turn to drugs and eventually become part of the PIC is inconsistent with the idea that Black people consent to being part of the PIC, unless you're saying that Black people choose to get poor educations.

 

[Consigliere]

I'm inclined to agree with O and I'm glad he's trying to tie the at-large gun debate that sprung up after Sandy Hook into the routine violence that takes place in our communities.

I cant remember the last time a President addressed urban crime without taking a pro-prison industrial complex stance.

 

[Consigliere]

The account of low education as the reason for why Black people turn to drugs and eventually become part of the PIC is inconsistent with the idea that Black people consent to being part of the PIC, unless you're saying that Black people choose to get poor educations.

Some do w/o realizing the long term implications.

Some don't have access.

This is worthy of it's own thread.