Then you might as well go kill yourself cuz if you are waiting for the end of racism you will die before that happens
Obama Ties Broken Families To Gun Violence In Emotional Chicago Speech
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Then you might as well go kill yourself cuz if you are waiting for the end of racism you will die before that happens
Hold up, let me see if I get this straight, you are telling me what I'm suppose think and then the fact that I don't think what you think I'm suppose to think invalidates my argument
No, I'm telling you that you are ignoring some key facts, not opinions, about the PIC, and that said facts undermine your argument to the point of uselessness.
This is all wonderful, but it's a complete tangent that has nothing to do with the factors driving the PIC, which was what we were discussing.
It doesn't undermine my point, my point is that the pic is secondary and not fundamental
I wasn't discussing what factors are driving the pic, you were discussing that
I'm sayin the pic is a secondary effect of the lack of strong academic traditions n the black community, I'm not going on a tangent, I'm discussing the fundamental problems facing the black community and the proper prism and ideology to use when discussing them
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
If structural pressures foster and perpetuate cultural norms, you eliminate or mitigate those structural pressures, especially when they're patently unjust and doable as is the case with the futile drug war, prison as a growth industry, and racially discriminatory justice system practices. Just saying we need to change culture implies that culture is an entity unto itsef in a vacuum and that's not reality.
Regarding black people getting snared in the prison-industrial primarily because of "anti-academic culture," that's just nonsense. In the post-WWII of the 50's and 60's black people were starting to make large strides in SES despite structural racism and redlining. "Anti-academic culture" wasn't the problem then. The drug economy eventually came in as a replacement for traditional blue collar work in the wake of deindustrialization and flight of jobs and a tax base. It was an economic phenomena far more than one of academics or culture. Selling drugs just became what people did in many places because it was the only lucrative means of earning, so people, usually kids who don't even know anything yet sold drugs because that's just what people did in their environment, just like if you live in a fishing town you're probably gonna e a fisherman or if you live in a mining town you're probably going to be a miner.
Now you have generations of people who came up in that unfortunately. Is the culture fukked up and self-defeating in many respects? Sure. But I think you have to focus on changing the conditions that incubated that culture. If you don't look at it holistically, you're not addressing it properly, and just saying "anti-academic culture is the main problem" is not looking at it holistically.
First of all I'm not against drug reform, so I dont know what the sermon is for, and again if you motherfukers are so angst ridden about the PIC and lack of black political power the first thing you should do is call out joe Biden as a racist piece of shyt and make sure he doesn't get the nomination
Aside from crying like a little bytch you dont really have a plan for black progress, you think that getting rid of the "structural causes" will cause progress which IMO is a lie, the improvements made will be marginal
I'm all for getting of rid of "structural causes" but I dont think that is fundamentally for black progress and more importantly on how to put black people on top
I don't know what ses means but during the 60's a couple of things happened to undermine the black family, one was he side effect of the civil rights laws which caused a lot of educated black people to leave black communities which again caused the anti academic culture to metastasize and things like projects which caused generations of black to live without ownership and zero wealth building
And also the lack of education is why people had to turn to drugs, educated people will create their own industries, so the drug game is directly linked to lack of education
So fundemantally it comes down to education, it doesn't come down to the pic or structural changes, if you got rid of the structural causes and people are still uneducated you can bet 1000 percent that there will be another "structural cause" after you got rid of the first structural cause
So many contradictions in this post... I'm not sure you know what your own position is anymore. And SES is socioeconomic status.
OneManGang
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I think im one of the few people on here who agree with you whole heartedly on your views on education and getting out of the cycle of ignorance. I see a lot of typing about all the obstacles we have to overcome and how everyone is out to get us...basically saying its ok that we have some of the worst academic rankings in the world, its not our faults. Bullshyt. The black community does need to put academics back up to a higher standing. That alone will alleviate a lot of other things we cry about. We make ourselves easy targets due to our ignorance and unintelligent thinking on issues.
So many contradictions in this post... I'm not sure you know what your own position is anymore. And SES is socioeconomic status.
my position is very clear and its that there is no chicken and egg conundrum here, what i am saying is that education (or lack thereof) is the egg and everything else is the chicken
i reject the notion that something like the PIC is causing bad education, im asserting that lack of education causes the PIC and feeds its existence and if you got rid of the PIC the lack of education would simply create or feed another version of the PIC
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Calm down, Webster. No need for all that.
Sadly, this doesn't surprise me.
This is a clear shift from your previous claim that Black people "consent" to being part of the PIC. You're tapping into structure by talking about education already. You can't have it both ways.
i never said i was against structural changes, in fact my position is that the structure of the public education system needs to be destroyed and then rebuilt, i support any structural change that improves education including changing the structure of the prison system
but the large amount of blacks in prison is due to low education in the black community, i disagree that large numbers in prison causes low education in the black community
yeah people do participate under their own free will unless you can prove people are innocent, you can jiggle with drug laws and criminal laws all day long and at the end of day blacks will still be disproportionate because black people have disproportionately lower education
Twism spitting that truth 
TWISM you want to talk about education....
For the last year and a half my job has been energy auditing NYC's public schools. The gulf in resources between the rich and poor districts is alarming. Your vague allusions to "charter schools" being the be all end all of education reform would only exacerbate this gulf in resources. Are there cultural issues at hand too? Of course. But to take those as the whole problem while either writing off or having no understanding of the structural (read: govt) issues is silly
Yea we shouldn't be committing crimes, but on the flip side if we do commit crimes we shouldn't be subject to a completely different court system. Yea we should do better academically, but when our schools and resources are second rate just by measures like student to teacher ratios, curricula, facility conditions, we are at a disadvantage before you even compare efforts.
You scream "black progress black progress" but seem to seek to blame the lack of it solely on black people, turning a blind eye to any of its impediments that lie beyond our control.
For the last year and a half my job has been energy auditing NYC's public schools. The gulf in resources between the rich and poor districts is alarming. Your vague allusions to "charter schools" being the be all end all of education reform would only exacerbate this gulf in resources. Are there cultural issues at hand too? Of course. But to take those as the whole problem while either writing off or having no understanding of the structural (read: govt) issues is silly
Yea we shouldn't be committing crimes, but on the flip side if we do commit crimes we shouldn't be subject to a completely different court system. Yea we should do better academically, but when our schools and resources are second rate just by measures like student to teacher ratios, curricula, facility conditions, we are at a disadvantage before you even compare efforts.
You scream "black progress black progress" but seem to seek to blame the lack of it solely on black people, turning a blind eye to any of its impediments that lie beyond our control.
People have been connecting that for years nothing new. If he connected violence with Poverty....he only is pushing the blame on someone else. What is he doing to help Poverty? Last time I checked no sustainable jobs in the cities, bankrupt cities....like Newark and Detroit...he isn't bailing them out. He puts more money on drone programs, Israel's Defense Fund, Money into Al-Q fighters in Libya and Syria, bailed out banks twice, spent millions on his vacation trips, worthless healthcare system, etc.