"NYK will surprise the NBA"...I believe 'em too. 19-20 NYK Offseason Thread

[Wargames]

:obsuccess: Told ya’ll nikkas!

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

I need to see some practice footage. Got me looking like Tyrone Biggums

 

[Wargames]

 

[Peter Popoff]

I believe him too. Rebounding was one of our biggest issues. Even if guys can't score, outrebounding and good defense will redeem those flaws. We have a lot of that in this team especially if defense is preached.

 

[JMurder]

you cant build an idenity with shytty players fam.
the team was trash and half of it is gone.

You post too many simplistic narratives. You could have built an identity with last year's team if you stick to one form of play. If you think last year's team was full of shytty players then that means you think all of the holdovers from last season stink too. So we have half a team with shytty players.... Can we build an identity with half of a shytty team?

 

[JMurder]

there was no reason to build an idenity last year
we were tanking and everyone knew da team would be completely different da following year .
last year was about player development
and if you take frank out the picture, all da rest of our young players (4 da record, mudiay falls under da young categorry whether u like him or not) showed promise. dotson trier mitch, these guys exceeded expectations and took advantage of their small oppportunies. frank should do the same

now we have a brand new team. and frank is getting yet Another chance to prove himself. so lets see how it goes

If you build a team identity based on the strengths of your young talent... You can have an identity while developing your young talent...

 

[Peter Popoff]

If you build a team identity based on the strengths of your young talent... You can have an identity while developing your young talent...

The problem is,we haven't figured out their strength besides Mitch. How can we establish an identity with rookies in their first year. Frank had a groin injury and we tried to find his place by moving him around 3 places.

 

[seemorecizzy]

You post too many simplistic narratives. You could have built an identity with last year's team if you stick to one form of play. If you think last year's team was full of shytty players then that means you think all of the holdovers from last season stink too. So we have half a team with shytty players.... Can we build an identity with half of a shytty team?

you can build an idenity with second year players with potential, the 3 or 4 veteran players with playoff experience that we signed, and a young up and coming player who averaged 21 8 and has allstar potential. we didnt have any of that last year.

you cant build an idenity with unproven rookies you were about to trade for anthony davis, and without knowing what max free agents were coming here. now that the dust has settled, we can start the process

 

[JMurder]

The problem is,we haven't figured out their strength besides Mitch. How can we establish an identity with rookies in their first year. Frank had a groin injury and we tried to find his place by moving him around 3 places.

you can build an idenity with second year players with potential, the 3 or 4 veteran players with playoff experience that we signed, and a young up and coming player who averaged 21 8 and has allstar potential. we didnt have any of that last year.

you cant build an idenity with unproven rookies you were about to trade for anthony davis, and without knowing what max free agents were coming here. now that the dust has settled, we can start the process

Y'all make no sense. Whether proven or not, we knew and still know strengths, weaknesses, possibilities, and impossibilities of all the players we had then and now. You could've developed a defensive identity and started Frank, Dotson, Whoever, Vonleh and Mitch. Matter of fact we DID start that exact lineup with a defensively motivated THJR and actually won a few games.

If we wanted to have a fast paced identity, we could've started Trier, DSJR, Dotson, Knox and Mitch.

The problem wasn't that we didn't know, the problem was we didn't choose.

Edit: and the idea that the Knicks couldn't develop an identity because they were thinking about trading for Anthony Davis 8 months ago is just nonsensical.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Y'all make no sense. Whether proven or not, we knew and still know strengths, weaknesses, possibilities, and impossibilities of all the players we had then and now. You could've developed a defensive identity and started Frank, Dotson, Whoever, Vonleh and Mitch. Matter of fact we DID start that exact lineup with a defensively motivated THJR and actually won a few games.

If we wanted to have a fast paced identity, we could've started Trier, DSJR, Dotson, Knox and Mitch.

The problem wasn't that we didn't know, the problem was we didn't choose.

Edit: and the idea that the Knicks couldn't develop an identity because they were thinking about trading for Anthony Davis 8 months ago is just nonsensical.

you're not making sense and you are proving my point.
when we talk about being an idenity, we are talking about long term. so yes, we coulda chose a random identity to play with last year, but it would be completely different this year because of all da roster changes so what how exactly is that progress

if kyrie and durant came we wouldnt be a defense orientated team

there wers too many variables to figure out
how can u develop an idenity while are losing on purpose

 

[DPresidential]

I'm just trying to see...

Frank FIBAkina

 

[RickyGQ]

I'm just trying to see...

Frank FIBAkina

More excited for Monday than the Yankees playoff game tomorrow...

 

[JMurder]

you're not making sense and you are proving my point.
when we talk about being an idenity, we are talking about long term. so yes, we coulda chose a random identity to play with last year, but it would be completely different this year because of all da roster changes so what how exactly is that progress

if kyrie and durant came we wouldnt be a defense orientated team

there wers too many variables to figure out
how can u develop an idenity while are losing on purpose

Let me ask you a question... Who did we lose from last year that would've completely changed any identity we could've chose last year

Edit: we were after KD more than Kyrie. You saying KD couldn't fit it in a defensive minded team?

 

[Wargames]

you can build an idenity with second year players with potential, the 3 or 4 veteran players with playoff experience that we signed, and a young up and coming player who averaged 21 8 and has allstar potential. we didnt have any of that last year.

you cant build an idenity with unproven rookies you were about to trade for anthony davis, and without knowing what max free agents were coming here. now that the dust has settled, we can start the process

So a lot of the roster last year was either young or trash.... we were trying to keep space open for Durant and KP and after the trade Durant and another Max player. What we are doing now is completely the Scott Perry Special.....

Thanks in part to Perry’s influence, the Kings are no longer in the business of getting fleeced. Among his many contributions, Perry stressed the importance of amassing assets, maintaining salary cap flexibility and, while in the midst of a rebuild, adding selective veterans both to mentor young players and introduce the nuances of the game.

Perry’s prints are all over the Zach Randolph, Vince Carter and George Hill signings. Similarly, his was a loud voice in the war room before and during the draft, and, according to several Kings officials, he was a strong advocate of De’Aaron Fox, the Kentucky point guard who was selected fifth overall.

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article161521688.html

This roster was brought in to mentor the youth to be tougher, rebound, and play defense. The kings we to a 39-43 and I think that isn't crazy to maybe expect from the knicks too

 

[JMurder]

The idea that you can't develop an identity because you may be in play for a Max player is ridiculous to me. A lot of max players like to see an organization that pushes an identity and seem have a clear and stable vision for the future rather than an organization that can't make up its mind. Add to that, if you're really worth your max contract then you should be able to either add to or complement ANY identity