"NYK will surprise the NBA"...I believe 'em too. 19-20 NYK Offseason Thread

[storyteller]

we can agree to disagree i guess
i feel like mitch trier, dotson, all come into this season knowing their role. knox still gotta figure out his role because he might be comin off da bench but i think he has an idea of it.
frank needs to figure his shyt out and im rooting for him

u seem to be forgetting that trier was undrafted, and mitch and dotson were second round picks. they werent expected to do shyt. so for them to play how they played, tells me we are doing something right.

regardless of how u feel about mudiay, he had one of his best seasons last year. he was much worse the year before and there is receipts of me callin him da worst pg in the league lol. i dont care for da guy, but he improved. puttin up 34 and 8 is nothing to just ignore and yall wouldnt ignore it if frank did that lol.

. mitchell was playin well even before jordan got there. ofcourse jordan helped a lot, but he was already showin potential.

the team was trash last year, this team isnt trash but im not sure what to make of it. but i agree that fits is gonna have to show out and improve on his coaching this year, but it wont be easy with this bloated roster

I'll give Mitch that his role was defined by the end of the season. But we went Iso-Zo all year and than his offseason comments pertained to learning to be a better off-ball player which is kinda what I mean. In a season where we sucked, they coulda pushed him in that direction even if he struggled since the wins didn't matter. Same for Knox and Frank. Agreed about Mitch showing potential prior to DJ too, but it took a mentor for that clique for him. I feel the same way about FIBA Frank. The improvements appeared when someone else stepped in rather than Fizdale.

Again that's not to say Fizdale definitely sucks, we just haven't seen development that gives me confidence in him yet. This offseason and season will really tell us the story. Same for Frank. I just like to point out the red flags because the pattern of not being able to set a rotation wound up being problematic for both Fish and Hornacek before that. Woody for his flaws as an offensive coach had a fairly set rotation and roles, plus a legit defensive scheme. His teams weren't good but they were more cohesive for it. Frank HAS to improve as a shooter this season and HAS to be more aggressive, or patience runs out. If he's still timid, he's a defensive specialist at best. If Fizdale's red flags continue he's probably Mark Jackson at best, the guy who gives the young guys confidence but needs someone else to step in and finish the developmental job.

you cant build an idenity with shytty players fam.
the team was trash and half of it is gone.
plus we were expecting to get kd and kyrie, they woulda brought their own idenity.
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Brooklyn built it's identity for two years on crapyy teams before leading into the success last year. It wasn't pretty but they knew who they were. Guys like Levert and Dinwiddie developed into that identity and it made D-Lo's transition and growth faster imo. That turned into success and that landed them KD and Kyrie. Moral of the story, you can always build an identity with your schemes and game plan. I think that can expedite player development (specifically to fit the schemes) and also help your GM's and Scouts identify better fits. The one FA I've really been comfortable doing that with for us is Randle...give him Vonleh's role last year and we're a better team.

 

[seemorecizzy]

I'll give Mitch that his role was defined by the end of the season. But we went Iso-Zo all year and than his offseason comments pertained to learning to be a better off-ball player which is kinda what I mean. In a season where we sucked, they coulda pushed him in that direction even if he struggled since the wins didn't matter. Same for Knox and Frank. Agreed about Mitch showing potential prior to DJ too, but it took a mentor for that clique for him. I feel the same way about FIBA Frank. The improvements appeared when someone else stepped in rather than Fizdale.

Again that's not to say Fizdale definitely sucks, we just haven't seen development that gives me confidence in him ye et. This offseason and season will really tell us the story. Same for Frank. I just like to point out the red flags because the pattern of not being able to set a rotation wound up being problematic for both Fish and Hornacek before that. Woody for his flaws as an offensive coach had a fairly set rotation and roles, plus a legit defensive scheme. His teams weren't good but they were more cohesive for it. Frank HAS to improve as a shooter this season and HAS to be more aggressive, or patience runs out. If he's still timid, he's a defensive specialist at best. If Fizdale's red flags continue he's probably Mark Jackson at best, the guy who gives the young guys confidence but needs someone else to step in and finish the developmental job.





Brooklyn built it's identity for two years on crapyy teams before leading into the success last year. It wasn't pretty but they knew who they were. Guys like Levert and Dinwiddie developed into that identity and it made D-Lo's transition and growth faster imo. That turned into success and that landed them KD and Kyrie. Moral of the story, you can always build an identity with your schemes and game plan. I think that can expedite player development (specifically to fit the schemes) and also help your GM's and Scouts identify better fits. The one FA I've really been comfortable doing that with for us is Randle...give him Vonleh's role last year and we're a better team.

the nets in 17 and 18
was like us last season
they were tying up loose ends and seeing who they wanted in the long term
wouldnt say they had an idenity until last year (year 3)
it takes time

and kd and kyrie did not go there because of no system i promise u that lol

i wouldnt say they began to establish an identity until last year

 

[storyteller]

the nets in 17 and 18
was like us last season
they were tying up loose ends and seeing who they wanted in the long term
wouldnt say they had an idenity until last year (year 3)
it takes time

Yes, it takes time to develop an identity and we wasted a year like "nah, doesn't matter." That's my complaint.

and kd and kyrie did not go there because of no system i promise u that lol

Nope, not because of the system. But the system played a key role in the youth and cast aways developing into a playoff team that KD and Kyrie were sold on going to.

i wouldnt say they began to establish an identity until last year

They started working on that identity year one of Atkinson's coaching run. It's broken down here and you can see the very unselfish volume three shooting offense + defensive oriented system they described in 2016 even in the line-up today.
Brooklyn Nets 2016: Year in Review

 

[seemorecizzy]

Yes, it takes time to develop an identity and we wasted a year like "nah, doesn't matter." That's my complaint.



Nope, not because of the system. But the system played a key role in the youth and cast aways developing into a playoff team that KD and Kyrie were sold on going to.



They started working on that identity year one of Atkinson's coaching run. It's broken down here and you can see the very unselfish volume three shooting offense + defensive oriented system they described in 2016 even in the line-up today.
Brooklyn Nets 2016: Year in Review

2016 they won 20 games, and jeremy lin was running the point lol
plus a bunch of other players that arent on the team today because of a bad fit or because they are trash.
they started winnin games once the young players got better and they got actual talent
if our season was a waste like u said, so was theirs

 

[storyteller]

2016 they won 20 games, and jeremy lin was running the point lol
plus a bunch of other players that arent on the team today because of a bad fit or because they are trash.
they started winnin games once the young players got better and they got actual talent
if our season was a waste like u said, so was theirs

Yes, they had the same identity even when Jeremy Lin was the PG and they were winning 20 games. Being trash is not an excuse for not having an offensive system or defensive system in place. That's my entire point.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Yes, they had the same identity even when Jeremy Lin was the PG and they were winning 20 games. Being trash is not an excuse for not having an offensive system or defensive system in place. That's my entire point.

offensive and defensive systems are not one size fits all.
you get da right players first, then you adapt to your personnel.

we got some of da right players now, so lets see what fitz can do.

 

[RickyGQ]

Random as fukk -

I'm out here in Ibiza for my honey moon (got married on Saturday, dap me up yall) and we're in the lobby for this Air BnB/hotel set up out here and who walks in?

Andrea Bargnani

Im looking at this tall ass dude walk in and I go oh shyt- he looks at me and asks - you from Toronto or New York? I go New York and he nods his head ok and walks off. Dude casually dives in the pool right outside the seating area.

I get the feeling if I said Toronto he would've given a better response.

Congrats breh

 

[Hammer]

surprise finishing 28th? instead of last?

 

[Peter Popoff]

Every team shouldn't run by the same system. You can't run the Knicks using the nets system and you can't run every team using the triangle offense. It really depends on team to team matter. Throwing an injury ridden Frank at the point last year instead of training him at the 2 with restricted minutes while efficiently tanking and secretly knowing Mudiay was leaving was smart. Acquiring vets when Kyrie/KD was off the market to develop a core and prepare for 2021 is smart as well. There's a bigger picture plus we have top lottery picks for the year's to come off getting rid of MAGAzingus. Bruh, we're lowkey loaded this year. Our worst players are all gone and replaced with better talent. None of the players we let go will get minutes on any team excluding KP.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Random as fukk -

I'm out here in Ibiza for my honey moon (got married on Saturday, dap me up yall) and we're in the lobby for this Air BnB/hotel set up out here and who walks in?

Andrea Bargnani

Im looking at this tall ass dude walk in and I go oh shyt- he looks at me and asks - you from Toronto or New York? I go New York and he nods his head ok and walks off. Dude casually dives in the pool right outside the seating area.

I get the feeling if I said Toronto he would've given a better response.

I seen Mariano Rivera at the Barcelona airport in the customs line 2 years ago. He was pretty cool but too bad he’s on that Maga bandwagon

 

[storyteller]

Every team shouldn't run by the same system. You can't run the Knicks using the nets system and you can't run every team using the triangle offense. It really depends on team to team matter. Throwing an injury ridden Frank at the point last year instead of training him at the 2 with restricted minutes while efficiently tanking and secretly knowing Mudiay was leaving was smart. Acquiring vets when Kyrie/KD was off the market to develop a core and prepare for 2021 is smart as well. There's a bigger picture plus we have top lottery picks for the year's to come off getting rid of MAGAzingus. Bruh, we're lowkey loaded this year. Our worst players are all gone and replaced with better talent. None of the players we let go will get minutes on any team excluding KP.

Every team should have A SYSTEM though. We barely had a playbook, Fiz damn near admitted as much with how giddy he sounds about expanding it for these better players. His comments are either really rough on last year's roster (fair, it sucked) or kinda hurt his own position (couldn't get through to his team) or both depending on how you want to treat it. I think of it as a bit of both personally.

I do agree with the gist of your post though. Our starting line-up on day one this season will be much improved from last season. The Knicks ought to be a lot easier to watch and Fiz should be able to install everything he wants to with the types of vets we've acquired. The vets on 1 year deals with team options was a good adjustment from last year where no one traded for the expiring guys on the roster. This season is likely still an uphill battle, but it's gonna be a leap forward just judging off the roster and all the young guys that got significant time plus a summer to develop further.

Also, there is the caveat that Randle and Payton were doing numbers out West where there's a lot more depth and overall talent on a yearly basis. That theory takes a bit of hit though since the Peli's did terrible against Eastern Conference teams last season, it's just a nugget worth baring in mind.

 

[RickyGQ]

 

[Columbo]

Nitty

 

[Peter Popoff]

Nitty, Knox and Mitch woooo

Man, we might have a nice core by year 3 with RJ.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

fukk the bench. He’s coming for that starting spot