Now that the hype is completely gone, can we admit Kendrick Lamar doesn't have a classic verse

[NoHalfWay]

And

So the song is thematically "great" and well put together, great flow etc yet you're arguing the lyrics aren't good? Huh? And what does Hov have to do with anything? Hov has never been a memorable rapper when it comes to evocative lyricism and he is not the greatest storyteller. A better comparison would be Nas here.

This is not amazing lyricism now?

I wrote some raps that make sure that my lifeline
Reeking the scent of a reaper, ensuring that my allegiance
With the other side may come soon, and if I'm doomed
May the womb help my mother be blessed for many moons
I suffer a lot, and every day the glass mirror
Get tougher to watch; I tie my stomach in knots
And I'm not sure why I'm infatuated with death
My imagination is surely an aggravation of threats
That can come about, ’cause the tongue is mighty powerful
And I can name a list of your favorites that probably vouch
Maybe cause I'm a dreamer and sleep is the cousin of death
Really stuck in the schema of wonderin' when I'mma rest

I think this thread should probably be re-named "Kendrick doesn't have any dope shyt-talking verses that I like." A sentiment I'd still disagree with but hey, do you.

I ask again, name some classic modern verses. As well as your definition of "classic verse" because "a dope verse I can quote" doesn't strike me as a good example. As I said earlier the word is thrown around way too fukking much. A classic verse is something like Rakim on Eric B Is President or Nas on NY State Of Mind. shyt that either marked a point where someone was saying crazy shyt no one else was saying at the time, or marked a moment where someone turned the dial on the previous way things were done lyrically/flow wise/etc.

Or something that seared the fukking earth. Like the last verse on Incarcerated Scarfaces (which btw isn't really "quotable"). I'm not aware of any new-ish rappers who made me feel like that in recent memory. I can think of plenty of dope ass verses that are quotable though.

Hov's verse was just an example, wasn't comparing his storytelling skills. And yeah, I'm throwing this "classic" talk out the window right now, I'm talking about quotable bars or rewindable verses.

What I'm saying is there's guys that can paint vivid pictures through storytelling and conceptual pieces (Kendrick's forte) AND still be able to deliver quotable lyrics and verses, an area where Kendrick is slacking in. When I think of rappers like that, I'm thinking legends & veterans, guys like Hov, Elzhi, focused Blu, Common Sense, Lupe etc.

Kendrick is constantly put on or above the level of some of those guys. This is a man that is being heralded as a top tier lyricist, one of the greatest ever since TPAB. I've seen nikkas placing his albums on all-time lists, labeling his albums "classic." I've seen nikkas trash lyrical heavy weights for Kendrick. "Kendrick would murder King Los in a battle " (cuz of his Control verse no less ) or "Kendrick would wax this nikka on wax". I never Sing About Me didn't have good lyrics, the lyrics are great for the picture he's tryna paint, but there's no standout bars. It's introspective, quality lyricism with a message but his shyt ain't top of the line. Maybe among HIS class of emcees it is but nah...

 

[EndDomination]

Just because an artist is considered bad doesn't mean they can't have "classic songs".
Years from now, I'm sure We'll look back & realize that Chief Keef put out classic music.. Music that impacted the whole of hip hop & the sound of it.

Um, no. We won't.
The song will be immortalised as a party song right alongside the Cupid Shuffle and the Electric Slide.
Drill music is incredibly unmemorable, the only think Chief Keef is likely to be remembered for is "Don't Like" which is overshadowed by the GOOD Music version.

 

[The Mad Titan]

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[CELL]

nikka, I have a masters degree in a field 90% of the Coli would fail in and am pursuing a professional degree.

Stop it

This is the problem with you dweebs and that includes Cole acolytes.

You love these artists because you're idiots yourselves. These artists are "deep" to you.

No. They're pretentious.

No one I know (and thats Drs, PhD's, MD's, DDS, JD's etc) listens to that pretentious shyt. We know its entertainment so we treat it as such.

If we want education we're getting books, going to lectures, listening to podcasts, etc.

We're not listening to some high school level bullshyt from some rapper who claims to be some smartass know it all with a fraction of the wisdom of actual rap GOATS who grew up in the streets but know how to entertainingly push the same issues in way more creative ways.

So no, i'm not impressed with someone who raps with a college degree...because i'm not reading dissertations...i'm listening to music first and foremost and if it fails to entertain me, regardless of content, then its failed.

I don't understand what your angle is here?

You're trying to tell ME that I'm some sort of dimwitted idiot, whilst at the same time trying to knock an artists lack of humility when he dropped the most socially conscious album in mainstream Hip Hop in the last 2 years?

Are you TRYING to troll or something? Kendricks lyrical ability and musical talent speaks for itself, his grammy's, his album sales and consistent co signs from his peers and his forefathers (these GOATS you speak of) are enough to objectively say that Kendrick is a dope fukking artist. I don't listen to Beck, Em, or a lot of heavy metal music - does that make them terrible?

YOUR opinion doesn't mean as much as you think it does, you're not thinking outside the box by harbouring it and spewing it to the rest of this forum. Cool if he's not for you but he's a dope fukking artist regardless of whatever the fukk you seem to think

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I don't understand what your angle is here?

You're trying to tell ME that I'm some sort of dimwitted idiot, whilst at the same time trying to knock an artists lack of humility when he dropped the most socially conscious album in mainstream Hip Hop in the last 2 years?

Are you TRYING to troll or something? Kendricks lyrical ability and musical talent speaks for itself, his grammy's, his album sales and consistent co signs from his peers and his forefathers (these GOATS you speak of) are enough to objectively say that Kendrick is a dope fukking artist. I don't listen to Beck, Em, or a lot of heavy metal music - does that make them terrible?

YOUR opinion doesn't mean as much as you think it does, you're not thinking outside the box by harbouring it and spewing it to the rest of this forum. Cool if he's not for you but he's a dope fukking artist regardless of whatever the fukk you seem to think

Yeah. I am.

Cause you're in here talking down on people as if if they enjoy "Future" they're therefore "anti-intellectual"

So what the fukk are YOU trying to say?

You JUST said that.

I don't give a fukk about Kendrick wasting lyrics or rapping on jazz beats instead of actually pushing the sound forward.

Lets go there little homie. Since you seem to think you have some leg up on anyone else with a pair of headphones because of whats playing and not whats between your ears

 

[EndDomination]

And
Hov's verse was just an example, wasn't comparing his storytelling skills. And yeah, I'm throwing this "classic" talk out the window right now, I'm talking about quotable bars or rewindable verses.

What I'm saying is there's guys that can paint vivid pictures through storytelling and conceptual pieces (Kendrick's forte) AND still be able to deliver quotable lyrics and verses, an area where Kendrick is slacking in. When I think of rappers like that, I'm thinking legends & veterans, guys like Hov, Elzhi, focused Blu, Common Sense, Lupe etc.

Kendrick is constantly put on or above the level of some of those guys. This is a man that is being heralded as a top tier lyricist, one of the greatest ever since TPAB. I've seen nikkas placing his albums on all-time lists, labeling his albums "classic." I've seen nikkas trash lyrical heavy weights for Kendrick. "Kendrick would murder King Los in a battle " (cuz of his Control verse no less ) or "Kendrick would wax this nikka on wax". I never Sing About Me didn't have good lyrics, the lyrics are great for the picture he's tryna paint, but there's no standout bars. It's introspective, quality lyricism with a message but his shyt ain't top of the line. Maybe among HIS class of emcees it is but nah...

If you held a gun to King Los' head and told him to make a good song or you'd shoot him, we'd be burying another MC in a few days.
I like Lupe a lot, I've been a fan since I was 10, bu these comparisons are rather ridiculous. They take a similiar lane, but they;re different artists.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

And
Hov's verse was just an example, wasn't comparing his storytelling skills. And yeah, I'm throwing this "classic" talk out the window right now, I'm talking about quotable bars or rewindable verses.

What I'm saying is there's guys that can paint vivid pictures through storytelling and conceptual pieces (Kendrick's forte) AND still be able to deliver quotable lyrics and verses, an area where Kendrick is slacking in. When I think of rappers like that, I'm thinking legends & veterans, guys like Hov, Elzhi, focused Blu, Common Sense, Lupe etc.

Kendrick is constantly put on or above the level of some of those guys. This is a man that is being heralded as a top tier lyricist, one of the greatest ever since TPAB. I've seen nikkas placing his albums on all-time lists, labeling his albums "classic." I've seen nikkas trash lyrical heavy weights for Kendrick. "Kendrick would murder King Los in a battle " (cuz of his Control verse no less ) or "Kendrick would wax this nikka on wax". I never Sing About Me didn't have good lyrics, the lyrics are great for the picture he's tryna paint, but there's no standout bars. It's introspective, quality lyricism with a message but his shyt ain't top of the line. Maybe among HIS class of emcees it is but nah...

I know its cool to hate Drake, but this is what makes him an elite artist. Dude knows how to convey whatever message he's saying in the BEST way possible.

Kendrick is on some "kill/murder/maim" mode when he starts rapping. Its just a depiction of being hardheaded and stubborn.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

So Soulja Boy's first verse on Crank That is classic?

You kno that by heart?

 

[Big Mel]

"Sometimes I wish I had 3 different faces I'm to court for three cases in three places"

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The only song I can think of is Backseat Freestyle...there were a few (some cringe) quotables on that track

hated that song.

Theres "rappity rap" then theres "the industry is cosigning this rappity rap so its great"

And Kendrick keeps just getting these passes cause he has that "younger brother we try to keep out of the streets" vibe going on.

Its fukking insulting to my intelligence as someone who knows how music marketing works.

Nothing about dude is authentic. I mean for fukks sake, hate drake all you want, he knows his sonics WAY better. WAY better.

Kendrick has about as much artistic vision as Britney Spears does.

 

[EndDomination]

You kno that by heart?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

GKMC the best album of the decade
Fax

If you don't have parents who love you. Maybe.

 

[Big Mel]

"Yo yo yo yo baby paw yeah you come here give me a kiss, better make it fast or else you're gonna get dissed"


Lol @ club hop classics being more memorable than Babar material

 

[EndDomination]

hated that song.

Theres "rappity rap" then theres "the industry is cosigning this rappity rap so its great"

And Kendrick keeps just getting these passes cause he has that "younger brother we try to keep out of the streets" vibe going on.

Its fukking insulting to my intelligence as someone who knows how music marketing works.

Nothing about dude is authentic. I mean for fukks sake, hate drake all you want, he knows his sonics WAY better. WAY better.

Kendrick has about as much artistic vision as Britney Spears does.

Kendrick blew up on the streets before he was cosigned by backpackers, almost everyone forgets that.
nikkas on this board have this weird thing where they get wet anytime the "streets" are saying anything about an artist.
But Compton was bumping Kendrick back in 08

 

[BmoreGorilla]

What on earth are you talking about?

#TPC can anyone decipher this nonsense? 'All the GOATs have a verse people can remember' is a subjective statement that holds no weight in the realm of an objective discussion about a rappers merits to lyrically piece a song together.

Trolls gonna troll.

How can a rapper be labeled a goat if he doesn't have a verse people can remember word for word? That's not being a very good master of ceremony