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Juve better than all of them and made better albums than those guys.

IDK why nikkas act like Juve, BG, and Wayne weren't spitting in those days:beli:

And I love Mia X but hell nah she ain't better than B.G

Mia ain't got a song better than this


Didnt say they werent spitting, but they weren't better rappers them dudes I listed.
 

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@M.DOT @OHSNAP!

who was tevester scott? and what did he do?

that mac boss chick video was hilarious
PS was head of NL Sports. Not the most successful sports agency to say the least. Ricky Williams' rookie deal was apparently one of the worst ever made. He was an A&R for NLR iirc

The Boss Chick video was maybe one of the worst NL ever had. Also hated the War Party vid, looked cheap and bland as fukk. Those dancing chick in EVERY video annoyed the hell out of me (Take My Pain....wtf)
 

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Nah starting with the last UNLV album in 96 (Uptown 4 Life) everything they released was better.

Solja Rags shyts on any No Limit album honestly that might be the most underrated album from either camp. It's basically 400 Degreez without the huge singles, Juve was spitting flames

Get It How You Live is a classic to me as well and How You Luv That still gets play this very day. CMR albums definitely got higher replay value













You gotta be a No Limit stan to say those albums weren't that good and gas up Skull Duggery's shyt:pachaha:

I definitely agree that Juve was spittin' on SR, but he upped his game for 400 Degreez (same with Mannie). Same can be said bout How U Luv That 1&2, they were alright, but I Got That Work was way better. Don't let underground nostalgia fool u

Only BG's Chopper City, as well as IAOU1&2 were really really hard. CCITG was a phenomenal album too

If we talkin' straight spittin', I'd put Juve and BG on the same level as Fiend, Mia, Slim. But Mystikal & Mac were on another level
 

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PS was head of NL Sports. Not the most successful sports agency to say the least. Ricky Williams' rookie deal was apparently one of the worst ever made. He was an A&R for NLR iirc

The Boss Chick video was maybe one of the worst NL ever had. Also hated the War Party vid, looked cheap and bland as fukk. Those dancing chick in EVERY video annoyed the hell out of me (Take My Pain....wtf)
Bruh, that always bothered the shyt out of me :russ:

Every song?!

Joint be serious as shyt and they have a dance routine in the middle of it..Made they shyt look like a parody
 

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P had some really bad ideas at times:what:
C talkin' bout MLK and Malcolm X while them No Limit gear chicks shake their asses

I got the same face when I heard the advance version of Trapped In Crime. There was an MLK speech tacked onto the beginning of "Forever TRU" then you hear the chorus which samples Biggie from "Gimme The Loot" .
 

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Cash Money just made better music flat out than No Limit, they were bound to take over. They already ran New Orleans and not No Limit

Better beats, better producers, better rappers, less filler on albums, less gimmicks, no jacking nikkas shyt, and you ain't have to worry about trash nikkas all over the albums or features.

No Limit was on borrowed time. CMR was just all around better
Yeah they did but ghetto d is one of the hardest albums I've ever heard I was a lil dude my big cousins used to have that shyt in repeat :ohlawd:
 

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Looks like I Got The Hook Up 2 is coming a long well



Speaking of Willy, RIP to Dopefiend Willy :mjcry:




wait, the dope fiend from the old no limit movies is dead?

what??


I just stated facts. I was still a massive NL stan at that point. But momentum shifted to other acts, who had "the machine" behind them, heavily...RR and CMR songs were played in every fukkin' car on the skreets, X was the biggest name in rap, Juve went 4x plat etc etc. And yeah, Missy and Busta were huge pop stars, but casual rap fans geared towards those acts instead of hardcore No Limit

P could have pushed Fiend/Mac just as much as Silkk. Mac had all areas on lock: streets, clubs, ladies, introspective...


youre not getting the point. missy & busta had no effect on no limit.
and missy & busta didn't even sell like that considering how commercial & how exposed they were. MATTER FACT, missy's album FLOPPED in '99.
you buggin right now.

and we already broke the fiend/mac/silkk thing down for you.
youre listing attributes that mac had, but silkk had all those attributes as well, and he had those areas on lock more than mac did, if you care to be truthful. only area mac outdid him in, is the introspective - which is by far the least important.

Mac just didn't have the appeal & reach that silk naturally had. he also didn't have the hit-factor like silk out the gate. by the time mac developed it, he had already got booked before those joints were released.

im not even entertaining the fiend argument at this point.

you may like fiend & mac better, but if im running a label and intend on actually turning a profit, im putting silkk on the frontlines over those guys. at least in 96-99.


True dat

Plus a lot of rappers/industry cats started clownin' on/beefing with P. From Pimp C to Yukmouth to Pastor Troy to C-Bo to Death Row to Cash Money's subliminals...sucker shyt (not that P was always innocent...)


breh, you talking bout clownin. but the word was out about no limit seeing most of them dudes OFF-WAX.

and outside of cash money, these were just regional guys that the general rap fan care less about.


This to a degree

The tide definitely shifted. With No Limit, a lot of people switched from NL to CMR. The others really didn't factor. RR was more so East Coast and did more in tapping into Bad Boy's base and took more of that audience the same way a lot of NL fans became CMR fans.

With Missy and Busta, they were already huge when No Limit was at its biggest. I don't think it was necessarily a Pop audience that they had. Missy and Busta had their own thing within Hip Hop. The made fun music with crazy production accompanied by crazy videos. They were looked at more so as creatives and innovators.

In terms of casuals, No Limit benefited from them because a lot of them weren't really hardcore heads, but more so trend hoppers who defected to CMR once they became popular and it was cool to clown No Limit.


missy was r&b/pop and garbage rap.

I don't mean to disrespect busta as a pop artist. he definitely had his own space in hip-hop but you already got the point I was tryna make.
 
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youre not getting the point. missy & busta had no effect on no limit.
and missy & busta didn't even sell like that considering how commercial & how exposed they were. MATTER FACT, missy's album FLOPPED in '99.






missy was r&b/pop and garbage rap.

I don't mean to disrespect busta as a pop artist. he definitely had his own space in hip-hop but you already got the point I was tryna make.

Missy being garbage rap is subject and is neither here or there. The same people that would've called Missy garbage would also day the same thing about No Limit. No Limit caught a lot of flack and still do due to the type of music they made and people called it garbage and even go as far as saying they were the downfall of Hip Hop.

Busta and Missy were viewed as musical siblings. They made the same type of music. The pnly two real differences is that Buss was more lyrical and Missy sang with more of a focus on rap. In '99, she wasn't flopping. It would be in error to label her album a flop and not acknowledge every NL artist that dropped in '98 sold considerably less with their '99 releases and the albums weren't as good either.
 
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