New Zealand Basketball pre game celebration appreciation

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If we had a team full of actual natives doing that shyt here, and they wanted their teammates, regardless of race that they sweat and compete with day in and day out to perform something that shows unity and national pride, I say they should be allowed to.

Don't compare corporate owned teams that are clearly built on stereotypes and c00ning to a team built on national pride and heritage.

I understand where you're coming from, but I see nothing wrong with the dance. It's a tradition. If the Maoris on the team objected to them doing it, they'd say so. Just more bullshyt outrage for no reason.


There's no outrage :wtf: We can't voice our opinions on here?


It is culture vulture status any way you slice it especially when the people in question are the poorest in the country and had their land taken from them, but hey.....that Haka before All Blacks matches is coo.

What does any of that have to do with the basketball team doing a traditional Maori dance?

Do you have an official list of what each racial group should and should not be allowed to do according to the all knowing Malta? What are the things that white people created that black people or Asian people shouldn't be allowed to do?


You're a staunch Republican, you probably think owning slaves is cool, discussing anything with you on the topic of race is pointless.
 

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There's no outrage :wtf: We can't voice our opinions on here?


It is culture vulture status any way you slice it especially when the people in question are the poorest in the country and had their land taken from them, but hey.....that Haka before All Blacks matches is coo.


When you make idiotic statements people are going to call you out.

The fact is that basketball team is representing the nation of New Zealand on the world stage and the Maori dance is part of the nation's heritage.
 

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Breh, your people are the poorest in that country, half of all the children living below the poverty line are Maori or Pacific, that is not much different than what African Americans face. It IS stealing culture when you're still not much better off now than you were 20 years ago. I could only imagine how pissed Native Americans would be if dudes started doing tribal dances before Cleveland Indian games.

We have a black president, it doesn't matter in the end who the figurehead is or how many seats you have in parliament when you are still facing social inequality that is systemic and designed to keep you where you are. Congress apologized for slavery and the US offered an official apology to Native Americans, that shyt means little if your social standing itself doesn't change. Good luck getting more reparations, my family never saw the 40 acres and a mule and the land that was taken from you is worth far more than $1 billion :yeshrug:

So you're telling me about my people in a country i live in? Poverty as you well know is not race or culture specific, and I don't want to spilt hairs but Maori /= Pacific Islanders so using the half of these people are either this or that doesn't give an accurate picture.

The opportunities offered to Maori in terms of jobs and education is astounding here. Scholarships to pursue higher education with no requirement other than being of Maori descent, branches of government dedicated to getting Maori people into jobs. Even creating jobs specifically for Maori in areas that have a majority Maori population.

Im not disputing that Maori were treated poorly, but reparations have been paid and continue to be paid, land has been given back to its rightful iwi (tribe), and Maori have even been re-gifted National Parks/coastline/tribal lands that were taken from them. There is nothing 'keeping us where we are', and I'm not even sure you could tell me what you mean by that, if you can please do.

You cannot distinguish between Maori rights and Pakeha (white) rights in NZ. As far as indigenous people and cultures go, Maori are the most equally treated, anywhere in the world, by far. If you actually knew how far Maori people have come in 20 years, equality/rights/treatment wise, you wold see where you are wrong.

and again the haka is not treated as a 'Maori only' custom. We have pride whenever we see a haka performed, regardless of who performs it. as long as you give the haka the respect it deserves when performing it anyone is welcome to do a haka.
 

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You'll just have to excuse the ignorance of people like Malta. Here in America, being perpetually upset about dumb shyt like this is a national past time. Most normal people would watch that dance and consider it to be a sign of appreciation and respect towards New Zealand's indigenous groups. Others are just looking to inject race into something in order to be breed racial resentment.

Malta is the GOAT with his knowledge and most of his opinions on basketball. But yeah, when discussing another culture and being wrong then telling someone who is actually a part of that culture aint gonna fly.
 

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:mjlol: @ Faried facial expressions, breh eyebrow went up like the rock.


I see a lot of people dappin up Malta in this thread... As a Maori who lives and has always lived in NZ I gotta say most of what he's saying isn't accurate.

First off, it's an honour to do the haka, any version. Most NZ sports teams perform it to show respect to the Maori warriors of past. And as someone mentioned it is always lead by someone of Maori descent. It's not a case of stealing culture, but that culture being embraced and the haka is one of the most important things to 99% of Kiwis, regardless of race.

And before this thread gets sidetracked any further I'll add this as a last point, in NZ we currently have our own political party with seats in parliament reserved only for Maori so we always have a voice, and if anyone can show me another government who has admitted wrong-doings to its indigenous people and paid reparations of almost $1 billion dollars I'd love to see it.

On topic: :to: I wish we were even a little bit more competitive, NZ basketball needs all the help it can get

Good to hear from an actual New Zealander. :salute:
 

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When you make idiotic statements people are going to call you out.

The fact is that basketball team is representing the nation of New Zealand on the world stage and the Maori dance is part of the nation's heritage.


:camby: You have said loads of racist shyt, again arguing race with you a dude that supported George Zimmerman is pointless.


So you're telling me about my people in a country i live in? Poverty as you well know is not race or culture specific, and I don't want to spilt hairs but Maori /= Pacific Islanders so using the half of these people are either this or that doesn't give an accurate picture.

:ld: I never said anything about poverty being specific to one race, however wherever white Imperialism has shown up, you'll find that the folks who aren't white tend to be at the bottom of the barrel. I'm not trying to tell you about your country, I'm trying to tell you that there are clear and obvious links between what your people have been through and what minorities in the US have & still are going through. Like us, your poverty rate is higher than whites, like us, your incarceration rates are higher than whites, like us your health isn't as good as whites, the list goes on and on.

The opportunities offered to Maori in terms of jobs and education is astounding here. Scholarships to pursue higher education with no requirement other than being of Maori descent, branches of government dedicated to getting Maori people into jobs. Even creating jobs specifically for Maori in areas that have a majority Maori population.

The same exact thing can be said about minorities in the US.

Im not disputing that Maori were treated poorly, but reparations have been paid and continue to be paid, land has been given back to its rightful iwi (tribe), and Maori have even been re-gifted National Parks/coastline/tribal lands that were taken from them. There is nothing 'keeping us where we are', and I'm not even sure you could tell me what you mean by that, if you can please do.

I'm really shocked you don't see the parallels between you and how EVERY other non-white people around this planet have been treated by conquering whites.

You cannot distinguish between Maori rights and Pakeha (white) rights in NZ. As far as indigenous people and cultures go, Maori are the most equally treated, anywhere in the world, by far. If you actually knew how far Maori people have come in 20 years, equality/rights/treatment wise, you wold see where you are wrong.

The index shows socioeconomic deprivation still mainly affects the same people it did 20 years ago – Maori. Five times as many Maori live in the most highly deprived communities than in the best-off ones.
http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/in-print/...for-health-and-still-skewed-toward-maori.aspx
:ld:

Same shyt just a different side of the globe, I can change Maori to "african American" in that study and it would be pretty much the same.
 

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There's no outrage :wtf: We can't voice our opinions on here?


It is culture vulture status any way you slice it especially when the people in question are the poorest in the country and had their land taken from them, but hey.....that Haka before All Blacks matches is coo.




You're a staunch Republican, you probably think owning slaves is cool, discussing anything with you on the topic of race is pointless.

Never said you couldn't voice your opinion, I did the same :mjpls:
 

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Malta is the GOAT with his knowledge and most of his opinions on basketball. But yeah, when discussing another culture and being wrong then telling someone who is actually a part of that culture aint gonna fly.

Salute to you all the way from the USA if you still living there breh. Keep holding it down for your people.
 

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You'll just have to excuse the ignorance of people like Malta. Here in America, being perpetually upset about dumb shyt like this is a national past time. Most normal people would watch that dance and consider it to be a sign of appreciation and respect towards New Zealand's indigenous groups. Others are just looking to inject race into something in order to be breed racial resentment.

:russ:

Lets take a look at @KingpinOG's history.....

How do any of you know that the cop had no right to shoot Brown? How do you know what happened?

You guys have already been proven wrong about Brown being an innocent choir boy, and now your chief eye witness was just involved with Brown in a robbery.

Why don't black people just study as hard as Asian people than you wouldn't have to worry about affirmative action?


Watching that surveillance video again and I really feel bad for people who own convenience stores and other businesses in these inner city ghettos. Or the cops that work in these places.

Could you imagine dealing with animals like this Michael Brown on a day to day basis? And they wonder why no one wants to open businesses in these communities?


Animals? word?
 
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