New Zealand Basketball pre game celebration appreciation
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Aoteroa
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Pretty much the same? I disagree. I actually don't even think its close. African Americans were treated far worse for far longer than Maori.
Ill say again, Maori were treated poorly and Ive never said there were no parallels to other cultures around the world, what I am saying is that the parallels are slim and many other cultures/people around the world were treated far worse than Maori and that Maori are no longer at a disadvantage interns of jobs/education/poverty.
I believe that Maori are the best treated/most equal indigenous people in the world, Im not saying Maori are free from poverty, far from it. But a way out exists, where 10 years ago it didn't. Also the article you posted asks me to log into the website, can you post it or some excerpts?
Ill say again, Maori were treated poorly and Ive never said there were no parallels to other cultures around the world, what I am saying is that the parallels are slim and many other cultures/people around the world were treated far worse than Maori and that Maori are no longer at a disadvantage interns of jobs/education/poverty.
I believe that Maori are the best treated/most equal indigenous people in the world, Im not saying Maori are free from poverty, far from it. But a way out exists, where 10 years ago it didn't. Also the article you posted asks me to log into the website, can you post it or some excerpts?
yeah that dude is racist as shyt, with multiple alias accounts on here. i dont waste time reading his posts most of the time
NelsonSwagdela
All Star
Breh, your people are the poorest in that country, half of all the children living below the poverty line are Maori or Pacific, that is not much different than what African Americans face. It IS stealing culture when you're still not much better off now than you were 20 years ago. I could only imagine how pissed Native Americans would be if dudes started doing tribal dances before Cleveland Indian games.
We have a black president, it doesn't matter in the end who the figurehead is or how many seats you have in parliament when you are still facing social inequality that is systemic and designed to keep you where you are. Congress apologized for slavery and the US offered an official apology to Native Americans, that shyt means little if your social standing itself doesn't change. Good luck getting more reparations, my family never saw the 40 acres and a mule and the land that was taken from you is worth far more than $1 billion
I see your post here and you're usually on point, I don't see how you're going to tell him to feel though.I mean from everything he says, his culture embraces everyone getting involved as long as indigenous Maori is leading it. I don't know how comfortable you would be with with someone from New Zealand telling you an African American man how they should feel with certain aspects of their culture. I've gone to school with a few Maoris and they all happen to say the same thing this dude is.
Primordial
Pro
That's how it works. It's always the ones that don't know, that push their simplified agendas the loudest
Pretty much the same today, the same problems exist in both communities as far as socioeconomics are concerned. I wasn't speaking on the treatment since day 1, it's not a competition on who got fukked over more, it's the fact that we've all been fukked over. I prefer to have solidarity with people of color regardless of where they are from
All that matters is that your ancestors were treated poorly, the degree to which they were subjected to imperialism is moot breh. In the end, you can go all around the globe and native people are always lower in regards to health, wealth and education.
Poverty bad for health and still skewed toward Maori
Virginia McMillanvmcmillan@clear.net.nz
“Poverty is bad for your health and always will be,” says the public health physician who helped forge the enduring and influential New Zealand Index of Deprivation.
The 20-year-old index began in an era when poverty wasn’t talked about by the then National Government, Peter Crampton says.
Measures of deprivation
The NZDep2013 Index of Deprivation was created by measuring numbers of people:
- aged under 65 with no access to the internet at home
- aged 18 to 64 receiving a means-tested benefit
- living in equivalised households* [household members receive different weightings] with income below an income threshold
- aged 18 to 64 and unemployed
- aged 18 to 64 and without any qualifications
- not living in their own home
- aged under 65 living in a single-parent family
- living in equivalised households below a bedroom-occupancy threshold (household crowding), and
- with no access to a car.
The health sciences pro-vice chancellor at Otago University and dean of the faculty of medicine points out those politicians’ successors at the cabinet table have talked little about inequalities in the past six years.
“If there perchance is a change of government at the [September] election, then I think our use of language and concepts might change radically overnight,” he said at a Wellington event introducing the latest version of the index (>>nzdoctor.co.nz, ‘News’, 9 May).
Based on 2013 Census data, the NZDep2013 Index of Deprivation has been developed by Professor Crampton, and June Atkinson and Clare Salmond of the university’s department of public health in Wellington.
The index reveals the relative deprivation of groups of people in small areas, and highlights areas of lesser and greater socio-economic deprivation across the country.
It is used in population-based planning and funding, which Professor Crampton calls a fundamental building block for the health system.
Population-based funding averages out differences and covers those who don’t turn up for care, he says.
He told New Zealand Doctor: “The health system has a long history of turning a blind eye to those who don’t walk through the door – at the system’s peril, I might add. It’s not good for anyone.”
New Zealand’s health data collection is close to being usable for individual morbidity-based resource allocation, he believes.
But, he adds, it’s not clear whether this would provide a more accurate assessment of health need.
Because health and socio-economic position are so closely aligned, the population approach works well by proxy.
A morbidity data approach would not measure those not accessing care or get a good enough measure of those not getting all the services they need, Professor Crampton says.
It would put these people at increased risk of poorer care, he says.
The index shows socioeconomic deprivation still mainly affects the same people it did 20 years ago – Maori. Five times as many Maori live in the most highly deprived communities than in the best-off ones.
“We could have a more egalitarian society,” Professor Crampton says. “It’s about the social policy choices we make as a society.”
African Americans are better off now than they were 40 years ago, but that doesn't mean we're on equal footing with white people. Are you telling me Maori's are on the same exact plane as Whites in NZ?
Also, if @KingpinOG lived in your country he would be arguing against balancing any type of social imbalances that Maori's may face, dude is a bonafide racist.
its up to the Maori to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get over what was done in the pastPretty much the same today, the same problems exist in both communities as far as socioeconomics are concerned. I wasn't speaking on the treatment since day 1, it's not a competition on who got fukked over more, it's the fact that we've all been fukked over. I prefer to have solidarity with people of color regardless of where they are from
All that matters is that your ancestors were treated poorly, the degree to which they were subjected to imperialism is moot breh. In the end, you can go all around the globe and native people are always lower in regards to health, wealth and education.
African Americans are better off now than they were 40 years ago, but that doesn't mean we're on equal footing with white people. Are you telling me Maori's are on the same exact plane as Whites in NZ?
Also, if @KingpinOG lived in your country he would be arguing against balancing any type of social imbalances that Maori's may face, dude is a bonafide racist.
- New Zealand @KingpinnOG
Wow.......you tagged me in two straight posts plus you went digging through my post history too. I knew that I hurt your feelings in this thread but I didn't know it was that bad.
Nothing you re-posted was racist by the way. People that go around robbing stores and assaulting innocent store owners are indeed animals. But keep trying to deflect from the fact that your bullshyt got called out by a person who is actually Maori.
Idiot.
its up to the Maori to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get over what was done in the past
KingpinOG said:
Call black people in impoverished areas "animals" and claim nothing was racist about it brehs
And unlike you, if @Aoteroa was offended I have no problem apologizing to him, you talk out your ass non-stop about black people calling us "animals"?
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i wont argue with duke because thats his people, but it does seem like we (like most minorities) have many things in common. hopefully they havent brainwashed the people over there into being happy with what they have and all that jazz.
maybe our american counterparts are just more demonic than yours cause this how they do us over here
we just celebrating MLK yall!
maybe our american counterparts are just more demonic than yours
cause this how they do us over here
we just celebrating MLK yall!
Aoteroa
Super Samoan Excellence
Pretty much the same today, the same problems exist in both communities as far as socioeconomics are concerned. I wasn't speaking on the treatment since day 1, it's not a competition on who got fukked over more, it's the fact that we've all been fukked over. I prefer to have solidarity with people of color regardless of where they are from
All that matters is that your ancestors were treated poorly, the degree to which they were subjected to imperialism is moot breh. In the end, you can go all around the globe and native people are always lower in regards to health, wealth and education.
African Americans are better off now than they were 40 years ago, but that doesn't mean we're on equal footing with white people. Are you telling me Maori's are on the same exact plane as Whites in NZ?
Also, if @KingpinOG lived in your country he would be arguing against balancing any type of social imbalances that Maori's may face, dude is a bonafide racist.
First lemme say that KingpinOG agreed with me so he got a dap, nothing more nothing less. I think that the level of original discrimination is relevant though. simply for the fact that in New Zealand as Maori we are happy with where we are as a people, do we want more?, doesn't everyone?
We are happy with the way the government is continuing to compensate Maori for land loss and the steps they have taken to improve our quality of life. I can't speak for African Americans but the fact that they were slaves, beaten, killed, raped, tortured etc would for me mean there would never be anything anyone could do to make up for that. What the Maori went through was so much less that it has made it easier to forgive and move on. We are taught from a young age that our land was taken and our people were robbed, but we are also shown how they are trying to make up for it and how give a second chance.
Your first comment of showing solidarity with people of colour no matter where they're from, are you implying we don't? We were treated poorly but we still look at how black people are treated today and shake our heads. Compared to slavery we had a cake walk.
That excerpt had nothing but the title referring to Maori, just sayin
not offended either breh, discussion is discussion. we all gonna have diff opinions on stuff.
Oh yeah LafraudJames care to weigh in?
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Derek Rose 
thats was amazing!
Derek Rose the Vegeta of pro basketball
thats was amazing!
Derek Rose the Vegeta of pro basketball
I don't think level of discrimination is relevant, at face value African Americans were treated worse than Native Americans, yet Native Americans are damn near extinct in the US and simply have not rebounded from what they were subjected to.
Native Americans weren't slaves (in mass) and they have similar socioeconomic problems as African Americans. The parallels are health, wealth and education are always less than those of whites
Breh, no where did I even hint at that, you're getting overly defensive on that one. And I look at how poorly Native Americans were treated, or how Japanese Americans were forced into internment camps during WW2 and shake my head. My point is, we've all been discriminated against by white people and the degrees shouldn't matter when talking about it, because it makes another peoples plight seem less important when that never should be the case It will boil down to "no no, we had it worse" when that's not how it should be, it should be "Yeah, they fukked us all over".
Aoteroa
Super Samoan Excellence
I don't think level of discrimination is relevant, at face value African Americans were treated worse than Native Americans, yet Native Americans are damn near extinct in the US and simply have not rebounded from what they were subjected to.
Native Americans weren't slaves (in mass) and they have similar socioeconomic problems as African Americans. The parallels are health, wealth and education are always less than those of whites
Ok breh, maybe I misinterpreted the solidarity comment, my bad.
I think I'm gonna leave this conversation as it is just because I don't think it matters what I say, you're gonna comeback with something else.
My last comment will be that 99% of Maori are happy in New Zealand, there always those that will complain no matter how good something is. And the haka is a symbol of national pride, not racial pride, not cultural pride, National pride. And in no way is it cultural theft.