New York State Has Lowest Black Male Graduation Rate in US

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I'll be honest I've been working in and out of inner city schools for the last 5 years or so and its more than just a culture or a black thing. You can take you a white kid put him in one of those high schools and more than likely he will not graduate or receive little to no education. The public school systems in the inner cities and urban areas are a total failure. If any of you have cousins/ younger brothers ask them how there schools are and you will see what i mean. Even better if there in one of these school ask them to see there notebooks , will probably be empty or scribbled That just the tip though what I have noticed is a lack of people who work in these schools caring from teachers assistant all the way to principles. Sure they might care about kids safety and numbers and % 's but there is no more focus on real education. I used to read papers of kids in 8th grade who would struggle writing paragraph about what they did over the weekend and am talking about struggle struggle like

"Ofer the weekn i went to my oncels house and we ate diner, i liked the diner we ate, it was good food we eat "

A large part of the problem too is the broke homes these kids come from and lack of parent involvement , but that's a whole other discussion

If parents gave a fukk....but too many see schools as a way to get rid of their kids for 7/8 hours. And I know it's not all parents, but FAR too many who do fukk it up for the rest.
 

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either these dudes or Booker really is puttin in work:shaq2:

*recent grad slain at a random shootout at a random Newark house party*

ya thats real surprising i wonder where they get those numbers , i think its most likely its 74% of those who stayed in school , which doesnt mean shyt if most ur kids dropping out


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:leostare: just like i thought

In Newark, for instance, of the 11,750 current high school students, approximately 5,400 will drop out before their graduation day

thats close to 50% of ALL h.s students dropping out , and i bet the # of black males dominates that number

Dropout rate in N.J.'s urban schools hurt statewide | NJ.com

so yea its a numbers game, just like i figured, thats all these schools care about artificial fukin #s
 

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If parents gave a fukk....but too many see schools as a way to get rid of their kids for 7/8 hours. And I know it's not all parents, but FAR too many who do fukk it up for the rest.

Well you know what the problem is that parent think that school HAVE TO give there children a high quality education and that's simply not true, I think schools have to enable your kids with the right tools the basic ones. Reading, writing and arithmetic but after that what parents fail to realize is that it should be a combination of learning in school and learning at home. The other thing parents don't do is a simple check up on there kids education i mean cottdamit how is your kid in the 8th,9th,10th grade and can barely read how does that happen , even as a single mother how arent you sitting down 10 mins MAX a day and asking your kid what they learned in school today? Anybody remember that? I'll tell you what the one main problem is you have unedcuated people having uneducated kids, and by uneducated i dont mean dumb i mean people who the school system failed them and now its failing there kid. So even if they do ask there kid what they learned today and the kid says something like "we learning all the capitals of the states mom" "mom can you tell me the capital of NY" , problem is momma doesnt know the answer herself :damn:

The problem is not money neither , its people not caring and that just the overall school system here that's why other students around the world out perform ours, teachers outside of here still care.

If you want to get even deeper and look at the problem in urban/black/latino problem ill tell you what a young college professor told me one time that schools and prisons are an investment in this country to keep our people down and right now there is an investment in our FAILURE and that investment has been having great returns :sadbron:
 

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I believe it, i think only like 20% of black people in buffalo graduate :dead:
 

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You think that there are a certain type of family "values" and social structure that is conducive to academic success? Do white families exhibit this more, on average than black families? Would you conclude then, the family values and social structures is superior to that of blacks?

The reality of the situation is that the black family is broken. A solid family structure is a solid family structure regardless of race. This is the reason immigrant families tend to do well because their families tend to be more intact , thereby providing a solid social structure in which children tend to thrive. The black family social social structure is broken for many reasons, including the prison industrial complex, a breakdown in the black family, a de-emphasis on education, and a hiphop culture that eschews educational advancement all share some of the blame.
 

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Its called better family values and social structure. Something most liberals good give two fukks about.
There is a Republican presidential hopeful who thinks that colleges will never side with them. Aren't these the numbers conservatives want? Surely the educated and informed is not who they want voting for them.

All the "Smart" people are against them :huhldup:
 

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Well you know what the problem is that parent think that school HAVE TO give there children a high quality education and that's simply not true, I think schools have to enable your kids with the right tools the basic ones. Reading, writing and arithmetic but after that what parents fail to realize is that it should be a combination of learning in school and learning at home. The other thing parents don't do is a simple check up on there kids education i mean cottdamit how is your kid in the 8th,9th,10th grade and can barely read how does that happen , even as a single mother how arent you sitting down 10 mins MAX a day and asking your kid what they learned in school today? Anybody remember that? I'll tell you what the one main problem is you have unedcuated people having uneducated kids, and by uneducated i dont mean dumb i mean people who the school system failed them and now its failing there kid. So even if they do ask there kid what they learned today and the kid says something like "we learning all the capitals of the states mom" "mom can you tell me the capital of NY" , problem is momma doesnt know the answer herself :damn:

The problem is not money neither , its people not caring and that just the overall school system here that's why other students around the world out perform ours, teachers outside of here still care.

If you want to get even deeper and look at the problem in urban/black/latino problem ill tell you what a young college professor told me one time that schools and prisons are an investment in this country to keep our people down and right now there is an investment in our FAILURE and that investment has been having great returns :sadbron:


there's a major issue, im too lazy to get into it, but just know it has to do with district zoning laws which restrict diversity in schools
 

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The reality of the situation is that the black family is broken. A solid family structure is a solid family structure regardless of race. This is the reason immigrant families tend to do well because their families tend to be more intact , thereby providing a solid social structure in which children tend to thrive. The black family social social structure is broken for many reasons, including the prison industrial complex, a breakdown in the black family, a de-emphasis on education, and a hiphop culture that eschews educational advancement all share some of the blame.

Didn't answer my question. I'm not suprised. The conclusions you come to lead to troubling conclusions about ascriptive heirarchy and conservatives are not going to say what is implicit in their observations.
 

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Didn't answer my question. I'm not suprised. The conclusions you come to lead to troubling conclusions about ascriptive heirarchy and conservatives are not going to say what is implicit in their observations.

no you tried to boil down my response into some white = good, black = bad nonsense that i didn't feel represented my argument.
 

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no you tried to boil down my response into some white = good, black = bad nonsense that i didn't feel represented my argument.

I tried to boil down your nonsenical argument into the nitty gritty implications. It doesn't matter what you feel, its about the reality.

If there are 2 towns, lets call them Shelbyville and Springfield, and they exhibit seperate characteristics, what are the implications of such statements.

Shelbyville:

Mostly black
Uneducated
Families broken up
Different economic circumstances
Totally different culture.

Springfield:

Mostly White
Educated
Families intact
Different economic circumstances
Totally different culture.


Hiphoplivesforeva: Maybe if the people of Shelbyville changed their culture, and their cultural tendancies to that of Springfield, maybe they would do better.

Without ANY facts, or barometers as to how each affects the community, and without any weight as to which one is the most pertinent, that statement is the same as

Hiphoplivesforeva: Maybe if the people of Shelbyville changed their Race, to that of Springfield, maybe they would do better.

Hiphoplivesforeva: Maybe if the people of Shelbyville changed their Education, to that of Springfield, maybe they would do better.

Hiphoplivesforeva: Maybe if the people of Shelbyville changed their Family structure, to that of Springfield, maybe they would do better.

This is essentially the fallacy of conservative reasoning on this issue. Is this a clarification?
 

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I tried to boil down your nonsenical argument into the nitty gritty implications. It doesn't matter what you feel, its about the reality.

If there are 2 towns, lets call them Shelbyville and Springfield, and they exhibit seperate characteristics, what are the implications of such statements.

Shelbyville:

Mostly black
Uneducated
Families broken up
Different economic circumstances
Totally different culture.

Springfield:

Mostly White
Educated
Families intact
Different economic circumstances
Totally different culture.


Hiphoplivesforeva: Maybe if the people of Shelbyville changed their culture, and their cultural tendancies to that of Springfield, maybe they would do better.

Without ANY facts, or barometers as to how each affects the community, and without any weight as to which one is the most pertinent, that statement is the same as

Hiphoplivesforeva: Maybe if the people of Shelbyville changed their Race, to that of Springfield, maybe they would do better.

Hiphoplivesforeva: Maybe if the people of Shelbyville changed their Education, to that of Springfield, maybe they would do better.

Hiphoplivesforeva: Maybe if the people of Shelbyville changed their Family structure, to that of Springfield, maybe they would do better.

This is essentially the fallacy of conservative reasoning on this issue. Is this a clarification?

Like i said a major issue that often gets overlooked is zoning and lack of integration within our school districts. If a school district is primarily poor consisting of uneducated citizens what do you think they will produce?
 

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Like i said a major issue that often gets overlooked is zoning and lack of integration within our school districts. If a school district is primarily poor consisting of uneducated citizens what do you think they will produce?

Its more than just zoning breh , problem is at the core of the education system. I think what your saying is if we put the higher class white school districts with the poor black districts thing would change?
 
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