Netflix might have one: Making a Murderer (Dec 18th)

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shyt is really alarming. I'm not the type to go for conspiracy theories, and before this show redpilled me, the idea of higher ups within the legal system -- state and federal -- practicing wide spread power abuse was something that I thought was preposterous. I just assumed that power was spread out within the police/legal system, and that checks and balances was put in place to prevent one party from having to much of it, since it should be obvious that unchecked power plus human nature is a recipe for abuse. However, my view has completely changed from following this story.
 

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'Making A Murderer': Where Are Steven Avery's Wife And Kids Now?
Where are "Making A Murderer's" Steven Avery's wife and kids now that the true crime documentary series is taking the world by storm? (Photo : Twitter Photo Section)


Netflix's hit true crime documentary series "Making a Murderer" is the making headlines everywhere and has become the latest and most popular topic of conversation over the past few weeks. The story is about Steven Avery, a man from Wisconsin who was released from prison after being wrongfully convicted for sexual assault only to be arrested and imprisoned for the murder of a young woman just a few years later.

During the first episode, when Avery is serving his 18-year prison sentence for the wrongful rape conviction, you hear a lot about his wife, at the time, Lori Mathieson and his five children. But, not much about their life since his story has become so well-known has been mentioned since, and it has followers of the series wondering where his family is now that his story is out there for the world to see.



Lori Mathieson, who now goes by Lori Dassey, and Avery got married in 1982 when she was just a 19-year-old single mother. They went on to have four children, including a set of twins, before he was sent to prison in 1985. In the first episode, Avery describes the downfall of their relationship while he was in prison. He started getting expletive-filled letters from her threatening the lives of their five children, and once she stopped bringing the children to see him, the two eventually separated, according to the documentary.


Apparently, prison records indicate that Avery was actually sending her letters threatening to kill her, according to Milwaukee Magazine. When Avery was convicted of his second crime for the murder of Teresa Halbach, he was convicted along with his nephew Brendan Dassey. Lori now goes by Lori Dassey because she went on to marry Brendan's father Peter Dassey.

She now lives in Two Rivers, Wisc., which is a location that Avery's family's personal road Avery Road runs through and is about 20 minutes away from their hometown Manitowoc,according to Bustle. She has completely distanced herself from all of the news surrounding this case and tries to go on with her life in her new marriage as best she can despite living so close to the Averys.

As for their children, Rachel, Jenny, Steven Jr., William and Jason, they have decided to keep their lives private as well and have little contact with their father. "Four or five [of the children] have said Avery should not have been let out of prison [the first time]," an article from Post Crescent reads, according to Romper. They cut ties with their father, and little about their lives since is known.
 

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shyt is really alarming. I'm not the type to go for conspiracy theories, and before this show redpilled me, the idea of higher ups within the legal system -- state and federal -- practicing wide spread power abuse was something that I thought was preposterous. I just assumed that power was spread out within the police/legal system, and that checks and balances was put in place to prevent one party from having to much of it, since it should be obvious that unchecked power plus human nature is a recipe for abuse. However, my view has completely changed from following this story.

I dont consider myself a conspiracy theorist either but I am for sure a believer in government especially law enforcement corruption. Law enforcement is currently an unfettered corrosive presence on populaces all over the world. And people who join LEO fall prey to a yes men mentality which is willing to destroy lives just so they can fit in.

I keep saying that I would never trust a single cop on earth because they would rather my life be ruined rather than take a stand for justice
 

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Day 3: Defense arguments not in 'Making a Murderer'


"Making A Murderer" raises questions about whether Steven Avery actually killed Teresa Halbach. What's more surprising is that there are other defenses that Avery's attorneys were banned from using at his trial.

"The film doesn't even touch on a lot of legal rulings, the ways in which legal hurdles were thrown at us to make it more difficult for us to present a defense or to make it impossible for us to present a defense," one of Avery's defense attorneys, Jerome Buting, told Post-Crescent Media soon after the series was released.

Avery and his nephew, Brendan Dassey, were found guilty in the 2005 slaying of 25-year-old Halbach. Both are serving life terms in the state prison system. A judge ruled that Dassey will be first eligible for parole on Oct. 31, 2048.

We'll add to this list each day.

3: Defense couldn't delve into the professional background of the former private investigator who found Halbach's RAV4

Defense attorneys wanted to flesh out the background of Pamela Sturm, a 51-year-old De Pere woman and second cousin of Teresa Halbach.

Sturm and her daughter, Nikole, found Halbach's locked Toyota RAV4 on the Avery property during an organized search on the morning of Nov. 5.

Sturm testified that she had been a private investigator but had let her license expire, according to court documents. She said she had never done any work for Manitowoc or Calumet county sheriff's departments or been a police officer. She also said her license had never been revoked or suspended. The defense wanted the jury to know more about her background as a private investigator, but the judge wouldn't allow it.
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Scott Tadych gives testimony in the Steven Avery trial at the Calumet County Courthouse Tuesday, Feb. 27, 2007, in Chilton,(Photo: AP)


2: Who did the defense want to identify as Halbach's real killer?

Attorneys Buting and Dean Strang wanted to be able to identify alternative suspects, and evidence pointing to these people, at trial.

His lawyers argued after he was convicted that they "would have settled on one or more people as to whom we thought we had the best case and that they committed the crime."

Their list, according to records from the Court of Appeals decision on Aug. 24, 2011, included the following people:



  • Scott Tadych, the man dating Barb Janda, who lived on the Avery property: Janda is Dassey's mom and Avery's sister. Testimony would have shown his reaction to the news of Avery's arrest and his attempt to sell a .22-caliber rifle belonging to one of the Dassey boys. The attorneys wanted to explore whether a fingerprint found in the investigation that did not match Avery was ever compared to Tadych's fingerprints.
  • Andres Martinez, a salvage yard customer who denied being present on the Avery property on Oct. 31, 2005.
  • Charles Avery, Steven’s brother: Testimony would have pointed to his suspected jealousy of Steven Avery over money, Steven Avery's potential share of the family business and over Steven Avery's girlfriend.
  • Earl Avery, Steven’s brother: Testimony would have pointed to his presence at the salvage yard after 3:30 p.m. or 4:30 p.m. on Oct. 31, 2005, and his reaction to being interviewed by investigators.
  • Robert Fabian, a friend of Earl Avery.
  • Bobby Dassey, nephew of Steven Avery and sibling of co-defendant Brendan Dassey: They wanted to introduce testimony questioning Bobby Dassey's statement that he saw Halbach on the Avery salvage yard property before leaving to go hunting and Dassey's allegedly conflicting statements about when he showered on Oct. 31, 2005.
  • Blaine Dassey, nephew of Steven Avery and sibling of co-defendant Brendan Dassey.
  • Bryan Dassey, nephew of Steven Avery and sibling of co-defendant Brendan Dassey.
1: Defense couldn't say who else they thought might have killed Halbach


Avery's defense attorneys had "a number of other suspects" in Halbach's murder, Buting said. But the jury didn't get to hear those theories.

"I knew from, frankly, when that decision was made, that it was going to be very difficult to win this case because as much publicity as there was in this case, as heinous of a false description as was put out into the general public, it was going to be hard for them to find and to acquit on reasonable doubt if they couldn't also see that someone else might have done it," Buting said. "If not him, who?"

Judge Patrick L. Willis of Manitowoc County ruled against Avery's lawyers, concluding they hadn't shown that the other people on the Avery property had a motive to kill Teresa Halbach or to commit other crimes against her. The Court of Appeals upheld his ruling in an opinion published on Aug. 24, 2011.
 

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Watched the first two episodes today and I'm already boiling. :beli:
Watched episodes 3 & 4 tonight. Ken Lachinsky should be in prison for what he did to Dassey. He didn't face any consequences for those stunts he pulled, did he?

I'm almost physically nauseous from watching these. I probably haven't even seen the worst of it yet, have I? How the fukk can it get worse than an evidence container with two broken seals and a syringe hole from Steven Avery's blood vial? :upsetfavre:
 

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Watched episodes 3 & 4 tonight. Ken Lachinsky should be in prison for what he did to Dassey. He didn't face any consequences for those stunts he pulled, did he?

I'm almost physically nauseous from watching these. I probably haven't even seen the worst of it yet, have I? How the fukk can it get worse than an evidence container with two broken seals and a syringe hole from Steven Avery's blood vial? :upsetfavre:
It gets worse :wow:
 

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This was tough to watch. That retarded kids original taped confession should have been thrown out completely, it was obvious they were leading an imbecile. Steve Avery has a city sized salvage yard but he "hides" the rav4 under some sticks and branches out in the open shyt was obvs staged. :martin:

Why the fukk would a guilty man invite the same pigs that wrongfully imprisoned him for 18 years on his property to search for a murder investigation? Seems like any smart mofo would have lawyered up immediately, but what do I know.:yeshrug:

Independent searches never turn up a key laying on the floor but the Manitowoo cop rolls up in there after the fact and discovers it :troll:

My guess is they framed a guilty man, and Avery probly snapped and killed Theresa on some ole' "I lost 18 years for murder might as welll see how the shyt really feels" type steez.
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Btw, as soon as I decided to go forward with the lawsuit against the pigs I would have moved the fukk outta that hick town. I woulda set up shop in Canada some shyt and just have family run the business, how you get railroaded by the same hatin ass mahfuggas TWICE? :usure:

nikka was dumb de dumb dumb :snoop:
 

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Btw, as soon as I decided to go forward with the lawsuit against the pigs I would have moved the fukk outta that hick town. I woulda set up shop in Canada some shyt and just have family run the business, how you get railroaded by the same hatin ass mahfuggas TWICE? :usure:

nikka was dumb de dumb dumb :snoop:

My girl was YELLING this all the way along.

I guess when you own that much land that you've got a road named after you and have lived on the outskirts of society semi-inbreeding for however many generations packing up and moving to a "normal" life in another town isn't as easy as it seems to the rest of us, but yeah, he really needed to stack that cheese, get the hell out and never look back.

It's been a week and I'm still boiling over about this. fukking Lenk and Kratz... not hated anyone on TV this much for years.
 

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I just finished episode 4... :whew:

I watched this sh-t at my sisters house and she always watches those murder case type TV shows so she was familiar with this case and she swore dude was guilty... until we got up to this episode. It's just crazy how folks refuse to believe that authority figures would never do anything bad even with all the shyt is right in their face.

It's really crazy how much public opinion plays into these cases and how easy it is to get folks in your side by being in law enforcement... I was reading some sh-t about the OJ Simpson case and it talked about how him and Nicole along with her boyfriend were involved in cocaine rings with ppl that had ties to Meyer Lansky... and those folks did a frame job on someone in the exact same way years before the OJ incident...
 

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any type of 60 minutes investigative report on this I'm hearing the Netflix doc left out a lot of evidence against Steven
 

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shyt is really alarming. I'm not the type to go for conspiracy theories, and before this show redpilled me, the idea of higher ups within the legal system -- state and federal -- practicing wide spread power abuse was something that I thought was preposterous. I just assumed that power was spread out within the police/legal system, and that checks and balances was put in place to prevent one party from having to much of it, since it should be obvious that unchecked power plus human nature is a recipe for abuse. However, my view has completely changed from following this story.
There are many people out there who believe law enforcement and other authority figures are the "good guys" and won't question any of their actions unfortunately. They're just regular people meaning they have needs/wants and can be swayed emotionally like anyone else.
 

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any type of 60 minutes investigative report on this I'm hearing the Netflix doc left out a lot of evidence against Steven
I posted the links in this thread...

The biggest piece of evidence Kratz claims was left out was Stevens "sweat DNA" on the hood of Teresa's vehicle... What the lab found were nucleated cells which could have come from anywhere like an individual who searched Stevens grand am and Teresa's RAV4 forgetting to switch gloves...

Avery's lawyer questioned Nick Stalke who collected the sample...He testified to not switching gloves when checking both vehicles...In other words the idiot contaminated Teresa's vehicle...Of course Kratz isn't telling people that though because apparently a small sample collected from a contaminated vehicle isn't important information...:stopitslime:

Kratz also been chirping about pink fury leg irons Steven purchased for his wife days before Teresa went missing...None of Teresa's DNA was found on those leg irons...no cuff struggle marks were found on the bed post...in fact there is zero physical evidence placing Teresa in Stevens trailer where Brendan claimed he saw her chained up with leg irons...

But we're supposed to believe it happened because Steven purchased leg irons...He couldnt of possibly purchased them for his wife like he claimed...:what:

He also really doused a cat in gasoline when he burned it...

That's pretty much all the "strong evidence" that was left out...
 
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