Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity

[Field Marshall Bradley]

He claims nego with a brown hand pic…. But of you’re posting verses out of context… you can’t be taken seriously…. The Bible is flawed without question, but GOD/spirituality is not

 

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He claims nego with a brown hand pic…. But of you’re posting verses out of context… you can’t be taken seriously…. The Bible is flawed without question, but GOD/spirituality is not

How are they out of context?

 

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Ephesians 6:5-8

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

 

[Hov]

Exodus 21:7-11

7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.

Sounds like sex slavery

You do know this was to protect women who were poor and being brutalized and arranged to rich men as servants or sex slaves correct?

It’s like you post things with no context and don’t even read or research or what the answer. Some of what you’re looking for is not biblical, it’s historical. And it’s not my interpretation, it’s historical knowledge of the era of certain activities.

Post all your questions in one post I’ll respond and you come back and show me I’m lying

 

[brentwoodsblacklightning]

TLDW

Basically instead of trying to convince theists god exists, strive to increase literacy rates and education and the problem of theism will solve itself. It’s not really a takedown of Christianity. He talks more about Islam becoming more conservative and limiting its participation in the sciences and Islamic countries poor performance in Nobel prizes despite being the origin of a lot of our theories and discoveries today.

The back half of the video is him criticizing the conservative restructuring of Islam in the 12th century that caused the Middle East to stagnate and lose its advantages in the sciences.

So you did not watch the video? Islam was spoken about more than Christianity in the video.
Some of you assume he was talking against religion, but he really was not. What he was talking against was scientific ignorance and how that ignorance can cause people to stagnate. He has pointed out that 40% of scientists are religious, but they are not going to make dumb statements like there were Dinosaurs on Noah's Ark, like the ignorant History Teacher did in his example of a scientifically ignorant person teaching children.

Religion and Science are not mutually exclusive. Science seeks to discover answers to the questions of How our reality is and Religion seeks to give answers to the questions of Why our reality exists. They can coexists, which is what he demonstrated was the case for Islam 1000 years ago. That is why most of the brightest stars in the night sky, have Arabic proper names.

Thank both yall; 11 pages in it's extremely telling that the thread devolved into either an argument or folks giving their opinion without actually engaging in the content that was posted (With a clickbaiting azz title to begin with)

 

[Hov]

How are they out of context?

People are sharing but you’re not even listening. You don’t have to agree just look up the full context then say something

This is like posting Walter White saying “I did it for my family” without watching Breaking Bad and coming away adamant that the show was about a man who worked at a car wash for his family lol

 

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You do know this was to protect women who were poor and being brutalized and arranged to rich men as servants or sex slaves correct?

It’s like you post things with no context and don’t even read or research or what the answer. Some of what you’re looking for is not biblical, it’s historical. And it’s not my interpretation, it’s historical knowledge of the era of certain activities.

Post all your questions in one post I’ll respond and you come back and show me I’m lying

No it doesn't. The previous verses state:

2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

This really wasn’t a “take down” of christianity.

It was more a commentary on the stupid ass arguments people make on both sides.

 

[Hov]

No it doesn't. The previous verses state:

2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

This passage is explaining indentured servanthood, not slavery like we think of today. In ancient Israel, a Hebrew person could “sell” themselves into service for up to six years to pay off debt or survive poverty (they didn’t have credit cards and loans back then. This was their setup not Gods lol).

In the seventh year, they had the right to go free, no matter what (people tried to keep them forever and all types of weird rules)

If the master gave the servant a wife (another servant), she and the kids stayed unless the man chose to stay too. If he loved his new family and wanted to stay, he could voluntarily commit to lifelong service, marked by a pierced ear.

This wasn’t forced slavery…it was a regulated system to help the poor, with built-in freedom and rights, rights at the time people tried to fight against. What you’re reading is a list of rules that really broke the system.

You seem really hung on trying to prove the Bible supported slavery, when actually man created these institutions and tried to manipulate man into it from greed and evil

 

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This passage is explaining indentured servanthood, not slavery like we think of today. In ancient Israel, a Hebrew person could “sell” themselves into service for up to six years to pay off debt or survive poverty (they didn’t have credit cards and loans back then. This was their setup not Gods lol).

In the seventh year, they had the right to go free, no matter what (people tried to keep them forever and all types of weird rules)

If the master gave the servant a wife (another servant), she and the kids stayed unless the man chose to stay too. If he loved his new family and wanted to stay, he could voluntarily commit to lifelong service, marked by a pierced ear.

This wasn’t forced slavery…it was a regulated system to help the poor, with built-in freedom and rights, rights at the time people tried to fight against. What you’re reading is a list of rules that really broke the system.

You seem really hung on trying to prove the Bible supported slavery, when actually man created these institutions and tried to manipulate man into it from greed and evil

Joshua Bowen goes into detail about it at 17:50

Indentured servitude (debt slave) turns into chattel slavery when debt isn't paid. Interest can be applied to the debt making it harder to get out. And women aren't indentured servants

 

[Hov]

Joshua Bowen goes into detail about it at 17:50

Indentured servitude (debt slave) turns into chattel slavery when debt isn't paid. Interest can be applied to the debt making it harder to get out.

In ancient Israel the system described in Exodus was not like the race-based chattel slavery we think of today. It had strict time limits (6 years max), zero interest was allowed on debts to fellow Israelites (Leviticus 25:35–37), and servants had legal protections.

It wasn’t a trap…you couldn’t endlessly extend someone’s service with interest. In fact, God forbade charging interest to the poor. And if someone chose to stay after their term, it was a voluntary, public decision, not forced bondage.

Debt slavery existed in other nations and got abusive God’s law was to prevent that abuse not create it.

And notice you keep sharing videos from Dr Bart who wrote Jesus Interrupted (many debunked claims) and still thinks the “faith+works” scriptures in Bible are referencing the same thing

 

[Hov]

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In ancient Israel the system described in Exodus was not like the race-based chattel slavery we think of today. It had strict time limits (6 years max), zero interest was allowed on debts to fellow Israelites (Leviticus 25:35–37), and servants had legal protections.

It wasn’t a trap…you couldn’t endlessly extend someone’s service with interest. In fact, God forbade charging interest to the poor. And if someone chose to stay after their term, it was a voluntary, public decision, not forced bondage.

Debt slavery existed in other nations and got abusive God’s law was to prevent that abuse not create it.

And notice you keep sharing videos from Dr Bart who wrote Jesus Interrupted (many debunked claims) and still thinks the “faith+works” scriptures in Bible are referencing the same thing

Maybe you should watch the whole video. All is explained

 

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Joshua Bowen is the one talking in the video. Bart is moreso asking questions. I'm going to go out on the limb and assume that the video is by a Christian apologist

 

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Here is a Bart-free video