I hope Nas uses that text message strategy he employed with KD3. Signing up got you the tracklisting early, access to exclusive merch, and first dibs on tickets to the MSG concert.
Nas - Magic 2 (Discussion thread)
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The problem is yall are so absurdly protective of every single Nas decision and career move that yall keep resorting to histrionics and Straw men at the mere suggestion that people would rather hear Nas with other producers.
TO ME, I enjoy the KD albums but they're not hitting me on the level where I don't think other producers would do a better job, I threw out Alc as an example and here comes Ziggiy pulling out some white savior BS straight from his ass. That's it. Plain and simple. I don't think I know what's best for Nas, I'm just saying what I'd personally rather hear so you guys can leave all the projections for either your mama or the candle lit vigil of Nas posters in your room.
I think Hit Boy is leagues better than guys like Swizz, Irv Gotti, Ron Browz, Duro and a bevy of other wack nikkas but that's really the whole thing - the fact that so many worse producers have gotten the same high profile credits as Hit Boy shows fukking dumb of an argument it s to simply use credits to prove that one sude is better than the other. Because I can tell you any rap fan is getting laughed out the building if they try to tell you some of them wack ass late 90s producers are GOATS just cause they worked with Jay, Nas, etc.
Even rap fans with broader tastes be shyting on Swizz Beatz wondering how they ever liked his shyt but by Ziggiys logic he's the GOAT
And y'all still can't seem to make up your mind between what sells and what is quality. Y'alls big joker when defending Hit-Boy against any other producer seems to only be sales when we know DAMN WELL that ain't indicative of anything, and even comparing the sales of a legacy artist like Nas to an underground rapper is inherently fallacious because Nas has 30 years of a built up fanbase and nostalgia - his sales, which aren't much stronger than Benny or Freddie to begin with, are on the back of his whole catalogue, not just what he's doing now.
Like you wanna say Hit-Boy is an elite producer because of nikkas In Paris, when that was not only a divisive beat among hip-hop heads like us, not only was it pretty much just a preset loop he found, but even Hit-Boy himself has tried to distance himself from that beat and prove he's more capable than that. So like, what are we doing here?
You didn’t come in stating “In my opinion”. You tried to pass off stating that Hit Boy was a B Tier producer as a FACT to prop up Alchemist. Here is your initial post
Y'all gotta stop pushing the same tired strawmen to defend Hit-Boy. He has great chemisty with Nas but he's still a B+ producer and there's nothing wrong with wanting to hear guys like Alc et al for a full, focused project with Nas...a full project, not just some throwaways since I know y'all like to treat The Lost Tapes 2 like the big joker in any argument in Hit-Boy's favor
It was so retarded that I figured you were trolling and I didn’t even respond to you. Then you quoted ME as I was responding to @kes929 (A poster I actually respect to have discourse with) outlining to him the reasons why it made absolutely ZERO sense to categorize Hit Boy as B Tier with this
When I challenged you to find me ONE B Tier producer who has EXTENSIVE with the likes of Jay-Z, Nas, Kanye West, Nipsey Hussle (including Grammys with all three) Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Mary J Blige, and others you hemmed and hawed until naming Swizz Beatz. I countered with the notion that, whether you like Swizz or not, calling him B Tier with his 25 year record of hits and CONSISTENT placements amongst the most elite of artist was absurd. The problem with your postings is that you have NO verifiable facts whatsoever to back up anything you cLaim. You claimed that an Alchemist produced Nas album would be head and shoulders better than the current Nas produced Hit Boy albums. I countered that notion with FACTS to the contrary, because again, there is NO verifiable metric with which to make that claim. Nas and Hit Boy have outsold EVERY Alchemist exclusively produced project released in the last five years. So there‘s ZERO financial reason to believe fans give a fukk more about Alchemist as a name than Hit Boy. KD1 won the Grammy over Alfredo. So there’s ZERO merit or accolade based reason for Nas to pick Alchemist over Hit Boy. KD3 is more acclaimed than ANY Alchemist based project from last year, and equal in acclaim to Alfredo. So there’s ZERO critical or review based reason for Nas to pick Alchemist over Hit Boy. All you have is your OPINION. And OPINIONS are all well and good but when you try to pass off OPINION as fact then you better damn well have SOMETHING to back that up or you just come out looking one of two ways. Either like an idiot or someone who just thinks the white man’s ice is colder.
You claim you went to the Madison Square Garden Kings Disease concert and you couldn’t even back THAT UP with any factual claims
Here’s the set list for the Kings Disease concert
And if THAT doesn’t jog your memory, as supposedly you were there, here’s an official source
Nas Takes Over MSG For One Night Only Concert
On February 24, Nas took the stage at Madison Square Garden (MSG) for his highly-anticipated One Night Only: King's Disease Trilogy concert. This was the first time the Queensbridge native played The Garden. The concert included songs from all three of his King's Disease albums, along with some...
nysmusic.com
Out of 34 songs performed, 22 were from KD1-3 and Magic. Now i’m not a mathematician So maybe you can educate me or perhaps you were using The Metric System, but 22 songs out of 34 does NOT add up to him performing 60% 90’s classics. You FAIL time and time again to back up anything you say with FACTS.
2 things and im outta here 
Mannn...Ziggy and Life is Good make every Nas thread a hilarious read. Both you guys look craaazy with your Stanning its weird as fukk honestly. Get help.
And...
Cant wait for the album
Mannn...Ziggy and Life is Good make every Nas thread a hilarious read. Both you guys look craaazy with your Stanning its weird as fukk honestly. Get help.
And...
Cant wait for the album
This thread is the height of comedy. Nas Stan’s are a treasure.2 things and im outta here
Mannn...Ziggy and Life is Good make every Nas thread a hilarious read. Both you guys look craaazy with your Stanning its weird as fukk honestly. Get help.
And...
Cant wait for the album
I keep getting negged too
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
I'll admit I was wrong about the setlist and was going off memory but the rest of this rambling is you being unable to discern the fact that every post I'm making is an opinion. I called Hit-Boy a B+ producer - I didn't see he was a B-list producer, that was just my flippant way of saying he's pretty good but there are better guys but you seem unable to comprehend that. Your "facts" of sales are already shaky because Nas isn't selling much better than those guys to begin with and has the benefit of being a legacy artist, and then your other facts are metacritic score... a collection of OPINIONS. Not only a collection of opinions, but opinions you guys were quick to throw in the bushes when they were lukewarm on the first two KD's so weight do they really have in this argument?You didn’t come in stating “In my opinion”. You tried to pass off stating that Hit Boy was a B Tier producer as a FACT to prop up Alchemist. Here is your initial post
It was so retarded that I figured you were trolling and I didn’t even respond to you. Then you quoted ME as I was responding to @kes929 (A poster I actually respect to have discourse with) outlining to him the reasons why it made absolutely ZERO sense to categorize Hit Boy as B Tier with this
When I challenged you to find me ONE B Tier producer who has EXTENSIVE with the likes of Jay-Z, Nas, Kanye West, Nipsey Hussle (including Grammys with all three) Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Mary J Blige, and others you hemmed and hawed until naming Swizz Beatz. I countered with the notion that, whether you like Swizz or not, calling him B Tier with his 25 year record of hits and CONSISTENT placements amongst the most elite of artist was absurd. The problem with your postings is that you have NO verifiable facts whatsoever to back up anything you cLaim. You claimed that an Alchemist produced Nas album would be head and shoulders better than the current Nas produced Hit Boy albums. I countered that notion with FACTS to the contrary, because again, there is NO verifiable metric with which to make that claim. Nas and Hit Boy have outsold EVERY Alchemist exclusively produced project released in the last five years. So there‘s ZERO financial reason to believe fans give a fukk more about Alchemist as a name than Hit Boy. KD1 won the Grammy over Alfredo. So there’s ZERO merit or accolade based reason for Nas to pick Alchemist over Hit Boy. KD3 is more acclaimed than ANY Alchemist based project from last year, and equal in acclaim to Alfredo. So there’s ZERO critical or review based reason for Nas to pick Alchemist over Hit Boy. All you have is your OPINION. And OPINIONS are all well and good but when you try to pass off OPINION as fact then you better damn well have SOMETHING to back that up or you just come out looking one of two ways. Either like an idiot or someone who just thinks the white man’s ice is colder.
You claim you went to the Madison Square Garden Kings Disease concert and you couldn’t even back THAT UP with any factual claims
Here’s the set list for the Kings Disease concert
And if THAT doesn’t jog your memory, as supposedly you were there, here’s an official source
Nas Takes Over MSG For One Night Only Concert
On February 24, Nas took the stage at Madison Square Garden (MSG) for his highly-anticipated One Night Only: King's Disease Trilogy concert. This was the first time the Queensbridge native played The Garden. The concert included songs from all three of his King's Disease albums, along with some...
Out of 34 songs performed, 22 were from KD1-3 and Magic. Now i’m not a mathematician So maybe you can educate me or perhaps you were using The Metric System, but 22 songs out of 34 does NOT add up to him performing 60% 90’s classics. You FAIL time and time again to back up anything you say with FACTS.
And if you want me to prove i was there, here ya go. I don't like posting my picture on here because I look like a Tubi-casted Lloyd Banks but whatever:
Regardless of how much of the setlist was classics, they were what he closed the show with and got the most response from fans.
ItWasWritten
Superstar
Another Bible chapter post about Hit-Boy
Has there been anything besides the teaser last week? I’d assume something is dropping but it’s gonna be hard for me to read through 38 pages of stanning.. I’m a nas fan but some of these posts are multiple paragraphs of rambling
Very reliable reddit poster that gave info about KDII, Magic and KDIII before they came out says its Magic 2 dropping this Friday
Figaro
Superstar
2 things and im outta here
Mannn...Ziggy and Life is Good make every Nas thread a hilarious read. Both you guys look craaazy with your Stanning its weird as fukk honestly. Get help.
And...
Cant wait for the album
Fully grown ass men too
bigdaddy88
The King Of Power
i agree with the alchemist is overrated or more like he fell off.. But besides the babble where the album at ????
There is a reason i dont follow rappers or whaetver on social media , i only care about the bars and the beats .
There is a reason i dont follow rappers or whaetver on social media , i only care about the bars and the beats .
MikeStamina
All Star
How any of this proves a 4 album run with Nas would be better than Hit's is where we're fukking lost at .....
And if y'all agree Alc 4 album run won't be necessary better than Hitboy's (what it is vs what could be)
Then wtf are we talking about
@Ziggiy
Steve Wonder can see these cats can't handle you in a debate. Not on this topic anyway....Your only misstep being the Alc white savior thing...
MikeStamina
All Star
So what you're telling me is on those 4 albums, no beat is better than this????
Hysterically laughing out loud like Shaq right now
Falling out the chair n all
Damn Spliz....I hate it had to be you
