Nas - King's Disease II (Discussion Thread)

[RAW_SPK]

Nas’s shyt will only be “universally” loved by these white critics when he retires or passes. And its because he never relented to what CRITICS wanted and always did his own thing.


He’s been traditionally beloved by actual publications and critics that come FROM the culture. People forget Rolling Stone shytted on It Was Written, I Am, Stillmatic and God’s Son. But XXL and The Source gave him high marks. Cacfork gave Untitled a 2.8 score whilst The Score gave him 4.5 Mics. We don’t have any publications geared strictly towards RAP anymore to counter the bullshyt these white hipsters write on a whim.

Bingo

 

[Izanami]

2. Nas the tech bro
Nas, the Queensbridge wonderboy, is now probably whipping a Model S somewhere in Silicon Valley. His evolution into a tech bro has been pretty annoying, lecturing us with the rhetoric that the magic solution to everything is more Black CEOs and a couple of computer clicks. The storytelling, wordplay, and charm that made him one of the greats is all but gone at this point. He would rather just recap what he does after going on a 30-minute morning Peloton ride. “Silicon Valley money mixed with Henny, that’s a Fendi,” he raps on “SORRY NOT SORRY,” and later claims to be the “cryptocurrency Scarface.” I am sorry, Mr. Jones, but Al Pacino’s character would absolutely never be seen rocking a Patagonia vest and checking his Robinhood account. At the very least, all of this money should have been able to buy Nas a more accurate movie reference.

Yea pitchfork HATES Nas.

 

[Danie84]

We was tryin to squash the shyt in VeGas no media to eat it up and leak it in the Papers

..,Nas callback to We Will Survive, second verse, 22 years later

Hit-boy went HAM on the keys, drum patterns, and bassline, tho

 

[Artfull Dodger]

My issue with the reviews is if it were Kings Disease 2 produced by Kanye West then these same publications (HHDX)would rate it higher. If Jayz rapped over these collection of beats, it would be marveled by pitchfork. What does Nas have to do to drop a universal critically acclaimed album?

Most of them is just hate and tunnel vision journalism. You can see from the extracts that thy have issues with nas before the music. His non conformity to the industry pandering, a** kissin and his general reserved nature doesnt "tick the boxes" with some of them.
The Hophopdx one is just a complete dismissal and low standard by a ''hiphop'' outlet.
You can tell that the moment Hitboy made apparent Kanye subs, they were irked.
But that has nothing to do with the music but to them it is, they cant have HB and Nas competing with Kanye for AOTY without a say init.

Its gonna be the story from here on just as it has been this Nas/Jay thing with them.

Nas has proven that he wont budge (Good for us, Bad for them)

 

[Izanami]

See y'all the type of nikkas that get caught up in the moment me I don't do that, I don't let that shyt get to me. I played King Disease 2 around 5 times now twice in the car to catch that Zone and yesterday I played King Disease 1 with details to lyrics, the beats, the subject Nas Rhyming about against King Disease 2. And my opinion haven't changed

Meh

Kings Disease was a solid 4/5 for me and wasn’t as good as LT2. It would fall behind albums like Gods Son, Life Is Good, I Am.., Untitled

 

[DaRock]

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That's not true his Emceeing on King Disease 1 was better lyrically, technically, poetry, story telling then on King Disease 2 we seen a vicious combination of an elder Nasty Nas, The Wiser leader Boss of the family Nas Escobar, elder Black revolutionary Nasir and God Son that came together and blended perfectly, very similar to Pac on 7 Day Theory when different sides The Black Panther Rebel of The Underground, The Thug, The Poet, The torture blues Man, The West Coast Rider, The Black Jesus learn to co exist together.

King Disease is a better album then King Disease 2 not only lyrically but sonically Ultra Black was that single that this album didn't have, Car 85, The Firm reunion and so much more, The album just have that feeling that you listening to something great, an event. I can go on. But hip hop fans know that album was Nas

King Disease 2 was beating my Chest, acknowledge me, I'm that Gangsta, I got that money now, I'm that nikka that from the east coast that didn't back down from Pac and Hit-Boy I'm better than my teacher. It felt like they wanted the respect that they deserve when really they had the respect, and that's why in some of the fan's and music critic eyes it seem forced.

It's a great hip hop album, Not a Classic Album and not better than the original

Why dudes hate when Nas talks shyt about how he's living...Like dude said on Store Run "it's not even bragging"..

He ain't beating his chest, dude just speaking on his life/experience/feelings, which he has ALWAYS done on every Album from the lows to the highest..

He's probably at his HIGHEST in life right now, money, peace, respect and happiness..and he's just speaking it!!!

 

[H.S.]

Just for perspective, KD2 actually is critically acclaimed. I mean, it's no longer on track to be the most critically acclaimed album ever or whatever, but it doesn't really need to be.

 

[Waterproof]

Meh

Kings Disease was a solid 4/5 for me and wasn’t as good as LT2. It would fall behind albums like Gods Son, Life Is Good, I Am.., Untitled

You see that's why Regular Nas fan's can't stand y'all Stans because if I up King Disease Thread around 70% of you nikkas called King Disease a classic now it's not a classic because the moment got to y'all and decided KD2 is a classic and KD1 is not

Boy y'all wild

 

[Pop123]

Yea pitchfork HATES Nas.

That shyt completely lacked objectivity, that was pure hatred, lol, wow.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Wow. Thought HipHop DX i.e the “black” publication would actually show a Hip Hop legend with a classic album some genuine love. They spent more time talking about Hit and Kanye’s feud than the goddamn album

I always gotvibes towards nas from hiphopdx

 

[Stick Up Kid]

Just for perspective, KD2 actually is critically acclaimed. I mean, it's no longer on track to be the most critically acclaimed album ever or whatever, but it doesn't really need to be.

so it’s looking like Nas will have 5 universally accepted classic albums

Illmatic
It Was Written
Stillmatic
The Lost Tapes
KD2

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Nas’s shyt will only be “universally” loved by these white critics when he retires or passes. And its because he never relented to what CRITICS wanted and always did his own thing.


He’s been traditionally beloved by actual publications and critics that come FROM the culture. People forget Rolling Stone shytted on It Was Written, I Am, Stillmatic and God’s Son. But XXL and The Source gave him high marks. Cacfork gave Untitled a 2.8 score whilst The Score gave him 4.5 Mics. We don’t have any publications geared strictly towards RAP anymore to counter the bullshyt these white hipsters write on a whim.


As fans all we can do is boast up him up when we can. Buy the albums. Tout the good reviews he DOES get. Go to the shows. He won a Grammy THIRTY YEARS into his career and is still charting top 5 on billboard as a 48 year old MC. The mainstream isn’t forgetting about Nas anytime soon. He’s also going to garner another Grammy nom for next year and possibly multiples. He’s in a great position.

the funny thing is Nas was more critically acclaimed by the critics than Jayz all the way up to Life Is Good







..IMO, the Kelis sh1t showed in the hating ass reviews when Nasir came out (nas has only dropped 3 studio albums post-Life Is Good) and they popped up when he released LT2 and KD1. The "hate" while real (nas spoke on the critics hating him in one of these hiphop magazines in the early 2000s but I can't remember which one) seems amplified because of these big hipster/culture vulture websites downplaying him (for some reason these sites are big on kendrick, tyler the creator, drake, jcole etc... types) or the numerous jayz connected talking heads tryna to downplay Nas to big up Jay. Since Nas doesn't play the industry politics game, he has no one out there firing back on false narratives besides the people he's already tight with (swizz for example)

 

[H.S.]

That shyt completely lacked objectivity, that was pure hatred, lol, wow.

A lot of these writers just don't like what Nas represents to the game. And it has nothing to do with the music. People like to assume they're bitter Jay-Z fans, but damn near every real Jay fan I know actually fukks with Nas as long as you don't try to rank him above Jay. lol The type of people that write these reviews are just weirdos.

 

[Prolific_1011]

You see that's why Regular Nas fan's can't stand y'all Stans because if I up King Disease Thread around 70% of you nikkas called King Disease a classic now it's not a classic because the moment got to y'all and decided KD2 is a classic and KD1 is not

Boy y'all wild

I still consider KD1 a personal classic. I just think KD2 is better.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Theres no way to go factually say that and its the mindframe like that that makes Nas fans/stans look insecure. fukk them reviews. I literally just reread the Vibe magazine review of IWW where they shytted on that album…no Jay-Z agenda to lean on…just shytted on it cuz they thought he went commercial…and that review means shyt to me because that is my GOAT album

Nas' early hate came from the Illmatic agenda; The Jayz media agenda came about in the late 90s/early 2000s, which still goes on today.