Nas Is Already ‘Halfway Through’ His Next Album With Hit-Boy

[Ziggiy]

This is why this whole "condescension" as you call it exists. Do you know how crazy you sound saying Hit Boy doesn't have the talent to take Nas to potentials you know he can reach? What evidence do you have to even reach such a conclusion? This is where a simple "I'm just not feeling Hit Boy's production and would like to hear what Nas can do with other producers" would've sufficed. Nothing wrong with a statement like that even though I don't agree. This whole "Nas would make superior music with better producers" is something else though and deserves all the smoke and gatekeeping that its getting and then some.

I KNEW i wasn’t the only person seeing this blatant bullshyt.

Now watch him try to run away with the “Its MY OPINION!!” On some shyt he has no clue of what he was talking about in the first place.

Saying “I don’t like these beats” is an OPINION. A debatable opinion but one nontheless.

Saying “Hit Boy is holding Nas back” is just some straight retarded shyt.

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

This is why this whole "condescension" as you call it exists. Do you know how crazy you sound saying Hit Boy doesn't have the talent to take Nas to potentials you know he can reach? What evidence do you have to even reach such a conclusion? This is where a simple "I'm just not feeling Hit Boy's production and would like to hear what Nas can do with other producers" would've sufficed. Nothing wrong with a statement like that even though I don't agree. This whole "Nas would make superior music with better producers" is something else though and deserves all the smoke and gatekeeping that its getting and then some.

I didn't say you had to agree with me. What's the problem? That's how I feel. What makes you think I should let you dictate how I feel?

I KNEW i wasn’t the only person seeing this blatant bullshyt.

Now watch him try to run away with the “Its MY OPINION!!” On some shyt he has no clue of what he was talking about in the first place.

Saying “I don’t like these beats” is an OPINION. A debatable opinion but one nontheless.

Saying “Hit Boy is holding Nas back” is just some straight retarded shyt.

If it's not an opinion, what is it? A fact? A prophecy? You think everything I say comes to pass? Bruh... Do you think I'm a genie?
What the fukk are you talking about

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Who says I'm worried? If it comes out and I am disappointed, who cares? If it never comes out and I'm disappointed because of that, so what? You trying to convince me all this gate keeping and condescension is for my benefit? Worried I might be "headed for a fall"? What the fukk are you even saying? Bruh, either the album drops or it doesn't, either it's good or it's not. If I blame Nas and never want to hear them together again... why does it matter? My psyche is not so fragile that I need your help tempering my expectations. I'm good. I'm not going to start typing like I got VEINS popping out of my EYEBALLS like some people around here do.

I just used the Cormega joint as an example because Alchemist has been the hot topic since before Magic 2 even dropped. The point is that you guys just keep on coming up with reasons that we should feel wrong for having a different opinion than you. You don't care to hear Nas work with anyone other than Hitboy again? Cool. Good for you. I feel a different way. What does it matter how I feel? You think Nas and Hitboy even know who I am? You think they're going to read my posts and it's going to just fukk up their entire vibe in the studio? I'm a nobody. Let us have our little nobody opinions without the gatekeepy condescending bullshyt. I hope Nas works with some other producers soon. What he's done with Hitboy has been dope, but Hitboy just doesn't have the talent to take him to the potentials I know he can reach, and at this point it's starting to feel like he's holding him back. I don't care if you disagree. Only reason I keep arguing with you bozos is because you guys continue talking spicy at everyone who has any criticism for Hitboy and unfortunately for you, I have nothing to do for like the next 3 days lol. I got time to bullshyt.

I feel like a lot of people are severely mischaracterizing the place a lot of these critiques are coming from and projecting shyt onto it. It's really just as simple as some folks not all the way fukking with Hit-Boy's production for any number of reasons and spitballing producers they feel would work better. People can shout til the cows come home about how much Hit has inspired Nas and so on and so forth but at the end of the day we're all just giving our reactions to the music we're hearing.

So Nas hasn't been able to find the inspiration to lock down and put out albums until Hit-Boy came into the picture? Cool. Awesome...but what the fukk is wrong with saying you'd want Nas to give other producers a chance, too? Go in with somebody else and see what comes from that? That goes back to what I was saying about some of y'all treating Nas like he's either infallible or feeling the need to defend every artistic choice he makes like you're throwing yourself onto a grenade.

And @Ziggiy, you keep saying people are asserting their opinions as facts? The fukk you want nikkas to do - qualify every single opinion with "IN MY OPINION?" It's a given that when people are saying who they'd rather hear Nas rap on that it's their opinion, they shouldn't have to qualify that for the sake of somebody's feelings - I say that as somebody who used to struggle to recognize that as well. And ironically, the "facts" that you claim you're citing as evidence for why Hit-Boy is the better choice and why folks should keep their opinions to themselves - Metacritic scores, sales (sales that aren't very strong anyway), Grammy awards (honors that we're all quick to disregard when they don't match up with our opinions anyway, I might add) - are in themselves, OPINIONS! Subjective evaluations that themselves may include biases and other influences.

Like the real root of all this is that some folks just don't dig Hit-Boy's production, whether they think it's sterile, poorly mixed, etc. and so they wish they could hear Nas over somebody who they feel meets their standards. And whether that's Alchemist, or Metro Boomin, or some "trapped in the 90s" producer (let's retire that fukking phrase please), or some random nikka they listen to on soundcloud, that's ultimately the place it's coming from.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

This is why this whole "condescension" as you call it exists. Do you know how crazy you sound saying Hit Boy doesn't have the talent to take Nas to potentials you know he can reach? What evidence do you have to even reach such a conclusion? This is where a simple "I'm just not feeling Hit Boy's production and would like to hear what Nas can do with other producers" would've sufficed. Nothing wrong with a statement like that even though I don't agree. This whole "Nas would make superior music with better producers" is something else though and deserves all the smoke and gatekeeping that its getting and then some.

My guy...if somebody feels that Hit Boy isn't up to par and would rather hear Nas with somebody else then it's pretty much a given that they think somebody else would do a better job. What you are asking people to do is just hedge their words to sound nicer

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

And @Ziggiy, you keep saying people are asserting their opinions as facts? The fukk you want nikkas to do - qualify every single opinion with "IN MY OPINION?" It's a given that when people are saying who they'd rather hear Nas rap on that it's their opinion, they shouldn't have to qualify that for the sake of somebody's feelings - I say that as somebody who used to struggle to recognize that as well. And ironically, the "facts" that you claim you're citing as evidence for why Hit-Boy is the better choice and why folks should keep their opinions to themselves - Metacritic scores, sales (sales that aren't very strong anyway), Grammy awards (honors that we're all quick to disregard when they don't match up with our opinions anyway, I might add) - are in themselves, OPINIONS! Subjective evaluations that might have some outside influence.

Speak for yourself, bro. I'm starting to enjoy my role as an omnipotent prophet.

I said Alchemist is better than Hitboy. This is a fact now.

Amen

 

[prophecypro]

Considering Al was at the Magic 2 event and there’s couple of joints on here that sound like him plus that hint from the plug a few months back …if it turns out he had a hand in some of this album it’s gonna make this whole argument funny

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

Considering Al was at the Magic 2 event and there’s couple of joints on here that sound like him plus that hint from the plug a few months back …if it turns out he had a hand in some of this album it’s gonna make this whole argument funny

Hint?

 

[hitmonlee]

Y’all think they fukking or nah

 

[JustCKing]

My guy...if somebody feels that Hit Boy isn't up to par and would rather hear Nas with somebody else then it's pretty much a given that they think somebody else would do a better job. What you are asking people to do is just hedge their words to sound nicer

That's not necessarily true. Saying you're not feeling Hit Boy's sound doesn't speak to Hit Boy's talent. It's not saying that Hit Boy isn't talented anough to carry or Nas album or push Nas to be his best. It's simply that someone just doesn't like his production without making all these assertions about his talent. For example, saying I'm not feeling his production and would rather hear Nas work with other producers speaks to me and my preferences. The moment I start talking about Hit Boy lacking the talent and someone is else could do a better job makes it about Hit Boy and Nas and basically saying neither of them know what they are doing. Do you not see the difference?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

That's not necessarily true. Saying you're not feeling Hit Boy's sound doesn't speak to Hit Boy's talent. It's not saying that Hit Boy isn't talented anough to carry or Nas album or push Nas to be his best. It's simply that someone just doesn't like his production without making all these assertions about his talent. For example, saying I'm not feeling his production and would rather hear Nas work with other producers speaks to me and my preferences. The moment I start talking about Hit Boy lacking the talent and someone is else could do a better job makes it about Hit Boy and Nas and basically saying neither of them know what they are doing. Do you not see the difference?

If somebody's not feeling Hit Boys production then depending on their reasoning it's fair to say that they do question his talent and moreover question Nas' artistic choices for working with him...and again, what's wrong with that?

If we had that exact same conversation over say...Jay-Z and Swizz Beatsz in 1998/99 I'd bet nikkas would know exactly what the negative side were conveying and carry on.

 

[JustCKing]

If somebody's not feeling Hit Boys production then depending on their reasoning it's fair to say that they do question his talent and moreover question Nas' artistic choices for working with him...and again, what's wrong with that?

If we had that exact same conversation over say...Jay-Z and Swizz Beatsz in 1998/99 I'd bet nikkas would know exactly what the negative side were conveying and carry on.

It's not the same. Its perfectly possible to not like someone's music and still see the talent.

Its not fair reasoning to question someone's artistry simply because you don't like the music.

 

[Funcrusher]

It's not the same. Its perfectly possible to not like someone's music and still see the talent.

Its not fair reasoning to question someone's artistry simply because you don't like the music.

Is it fair reasoning when considering his use of sample packs and poor mixing, which has been pointed out repeatedly?

 

[Cladyclad]

Why is Nas the East Coast Game all of sudden? Lol

 

[laflame]

Any 2 artists do full collaborations 5 times over a 3 year span is gonna have diminishing returns.

End this series at KD4 before it turn into some horror movie sequel shyt

 

[JustCKing]

Is it fair reasoning when considering his use of sample packs and poor mixing, which has been pointed out repeatedly?

Since when was the use of sample packs an indictment on a producer's talent? If Hit Boy isn't mixing, then why is he being blamed for that? It's nitpicking at this point when one could just simply say "I don't feel the music" and moving on. Its like "I gotta discredit Hit Boy to prop up others I feel are more talented" and doing ut at the expense of indirectly discrediting Nas at the same time then want to play the victim card when called out on it.