Nas Is Already ‘Halfway Through’ His Next Album With Hit-Boy

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

Not at all. It's not like it's a purely academic listening experience. I'm going to feel the music first and then if I like it or don't I have the tools to articulate why.

I compare it to someone going to culinary school. They can taste a dish and tell you the ingredients because they've developed their pallette. They know how something was prepared and what techniques were used. If they don't know they're going to find out how it was done so they can replicate it.

It's not just about finding flaws. If something is great you appreciate it more because you can hear the details. All the beats I used to love I love even more now. I remember someone on here talking about the snare on the Q Tip remix of The World is Yours. I've listened to that song 500 times and never noticed it. Now I know it's one the things that made that beat so great.

I was just about to say this. I'm not even a producer really, I'm just a hip hop head that fukks with FL Studio as a hobby, but even with my limited knowledge being able to analyze the way shyt is put together just adds an extra layer of fun when listening to music. Being able to spot the tricks and techniques is half the experience, especially when you pick out complicated or clever sample flips that you wouldn't even notice if your ear wasn't in tune to catch all the small details. How many people fukk with Sing About Me by Kendrick and have no idea how crazy the sample flip is? Learning about the process for the beat gave it new life for me after I had already been playing it for a while.
That's one of the reasons why I fukk with Alchemist so heavy. That guy is constantly doing some crazy experimental mind blowing shyt with his beats. He's a producer's producer, for sure.

But after 5 albums, I don't see why I have to be less of a Nas fan just because I express that I wouldn't mind hearing him do projects that involve other producers.

There's a type of gatekeeping to it that I think isn't totally fair. I love Nas and he's in a 3rd prime right now, and there's a lot of producers I want to hear him work with in this stage. That's totally fair and not an unreasonable opinion for me to have. Guru did the Jazzmatazz albums while he was also doing Gang Starr albums.

Bro, I argued back and forth with that guy basically just repeating over and over again, "Let people have their own opinions" and every time I was met with a wall of words basically saying "No." You're not going to get through to him. There's a lot of people on this board who have a really difficult time being okay with other people not sharing the same opinion as them. He just happens to be one of the worst of them.

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

"Nas should work with other producers. We're tired of Hit-Boy, we want something new. GIVE ME WHAT I WANT! "

@Ziggiy proceeds to post multiple songs in the last 3-4 years of Nas features/singles that have no Hit-Boy involvement whatsoever, therefore giving you what you want.

"That's not what we meant! We meant that Nas should work with other producers for entire full-length projects. If it's a single or feature, it might as well not even exist. GIVE ME WHAT I WANT! "

It's 95 degrees outside and you guys are still looking for reasons to argue?

It's really not the same thing though. Features are not songs Nas himself conceptualized. Nas did do an Alchemist joint recently, but that was something Cormega put together. Who says when Nas and Al work together by themselves that Nas would pick a beat like that? Or choose a concept like that to write about? Nas is on a completely different wave now, and Alchemist can make so many different types of beats. A full collaboration would obviously have different results than one offs. It's not a fair comparison at all. Today's Nas might jump on a beat more lighthearted and celebratory like Ocean Prime or Palisades if he was making a song for himself, and because of that he might spit something a little more natural than what he did on Glorious. You might not consider these kinds of things, but I do

Everyone has their own opinions. I don't even eat fast food like that, but I like to save taco bell fire sauce to put on my scrambled eggs in the morning. Imagine some a$$hole trying to argue that "the sauce was made for the taco bell menu, if you were a real fan of fire sauce you would be happy eating it on crunchwrap supremes and wouldn't even consider putting it on eggs." Sounds like a psychopath. Make it about music instead of food though and you guys start feeling real comfortable trying to dictate others' opinions and preferences. It's weirdo shyt. Zero self awareness.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Your missing a crucial point

One CRUCIAL point.

The REASON we’re getting all of this music is BECAUSE of Hit Boy. Hit Boy got Nas charged up. Hit Boy got Nas inspired. Nas has said time and time again that Hit Boy helped unlock something within him and THATS the reason we’re getting the albums.

Thats why I said if Andre linked up with Metro and was so INSPIRED that he knocked out FIVE straight albums and fas were calling for producers he worked with twenty years ago then they’d be laughed out of the booth. Because at the end of the day the Hip Hop world at large would be thanking God, Allah, and Buddha that SOMEBODY lit a fire under Andre’s ass.

Thats what it was like as a Nas fan from 2013-2018. Of course it was a shorter than stretch than Andre, whose basically retired as an MC, but it was a long stretch nonetheless of false starts and stops. First he was going back into the lab with No I.D. Then it was Hip Hop Since 1978 that was supposed to be curating and executive producing a Nas album. Then it was Timbaland. Then of course it was Nas Album Done. THEN it was Kanye, who was supposed to be the God send. We all know how that turned out. Now Nas has FINALLY gotten with a producer who not ONLY makes great beats, but he also clicks with Nas in a way not seen since Salaam Remi (who was VASTLY under appreciated) and now we’ve gotten a productivity out of Nas we’ve NEVER seen and people are bytching about OTHER producers.

It makes no sense to me


Let me put it to you like this. If Phonte and Big Pooh linked up right now with Black Milk and Black Milk went onto to produce FIVE Little Brother albums over a 3 year period. And the albums were critically acclaimed, Grammy winning, sold well, and a majority of fans saw it as a true return to form. Would YOU want to hear people clamoring endlessly for a 9th Wonder reunion? Would it make ANY SENSE given the very public history between the three of them? Now what about Krysis? Your enjoying this run of FIRE albums and people talking about “Krysis is better than Black Milk. His samples from 1960’s West Indian salsa groups are warmer and have a silkier tempo than Black Milk’s because Black Milk uses sample packs”. The fukk?!? Yea everybody is entitled to their opinion but damnit this shyt has gotten silly. People have literally tried to say Alchemist is leagues better than Hit Boy because he can make underground beats as well as get placements on mainstream albums. Like any IDIOT can’t go to Wikipedia and type in “Hit Boy” and see that he got a placement on the one of the BIGGEST albums of the year last year (Beyonce’s Renaissance) in addition to his work with Nas and other artists. Like Hit Boy didn’t executive produce Big Sean’s number 1 album in the SAME year he executive produced for Benny The Butcher.

The arguments are weak. And if it was just “My OPINION is so and so” then cool. But people really in here trying to pass off opinion AS fact. And that ain’t flying with me

I didn't miss that point at all. I get it. I know Hit reinvigorated Nas. Doesn't change my fan status to still want to hear Nas do projects with other producers alongside the Hit projects.

And man, absolutely fans would still ask for Little Brother to do albums with 9th Wonder and Khrysis, and for 3 Stacks to do albums with Organized Noize. Of course they would. Not all the fans, but there's absolutely a portion that would still wish to hear a reinvigorated artist over producers that they have a history and chemistry with.

Any argument against this is literally wanting people to not follow human nature. It's unrealistic to expect imperfect and flawed human beings not to wish to hear more music they enjoy from people that have given them enjoyable music in the past.

LB and Black Milk got music together BTW. It's dope af too.

 

[waynep]

Your missing a crucial point

One CRUCIAL point.

The REASON we’re getting all of this music is BECAUSE of Hit Boy. Hit Boy got Nas charged up. Hit Boy got Nas inspired. Nas has said time and time again that Hit Boy helped unlock something within him and THATS the reason we’re getting the albums.

Thats why I said if Andre linked up with Metro and was so INSPIRED that he knocked out FIVE straight albums and fas were calling for producers he worked with twenty years ago then they’d be laughed out of the booth. Because at the end of the day the Hip Hop world at large would be thanking God, Allah, and Buddha that SOMEBODY lit a fire under Andre’s ass.

Thats what it was like as a Nas fan from 2013-2018. Of course it was a shorter than stretch than Andre, whose basically retired as an MC, but it was a long stretch nonetheless of false starts and stops. First he was going back into the lab with No I.D. Then it was Hip Hop Since 1978 that was supposed to be curating and executive producing a Nas album. Then it was Timbaland. Then of course it was Nas Album Done. THEN it was Kanye, who was supposed to be the God send. We all know how that turned out. Now Nas has FINALLY gotten with a producer who not ONLY makes great beats, but he also clicks with Nas in a way not seen since Salaam Remi (who was VASTLY under appreciated) and now we’ve gotten a productivity out of Nas we’ve NEVER seen and people are bytching about OTHER producers.

It makes no sense to me


Let me put it to you like this. If Phonte and Big Pooh linked up right now with Black Milk and Black Milk went onto to produce FIVE Little Brother albums over a 3 year period. And the albums were critically acclaimed, Grammy winning, sold well, and a majority of fans saw it as a true return to form. Would YOU want to hear people clamoring endlessly for a 9th Wonder reunion? Would it make ANY SENSE given the very public history between the three of them? Now what about Krysis? Your enjoying this run of FIRE albums and people talking about “Krysis is better than Black Milk. His samples from 1960’s West Indian salsa groups are warmer and have a silkier tempo than Black Milk’s because Black Milk uses sample packs”. The fukk?!? Yea everybody is entitled to their opinion but damnit this shyt has gotten silly. People have literally tried to say Alchemist is leagues better than Hit Boy because he can make underground beats as well as get placements on mainstream albums. Like any IDIOT can’t go to Wikipedia and type in “Hit Boy” and see that he got a placement on the one of the BIGGEST albums of the year last year (Beyonce’s Renaissance) in addition to his work with Nas and other artists. Like Hit Boy didn’t executive produce Big Sean’s number 1 album in the SAME year he executive produced for Benny The Butcher.

The arguments are weak. And if it was just “My OPINION is so and so” then cool. But people really in here trying to pass off opinion AS fact. And that ain’t flying with me

Waving my church fan at u.
You preaching with this one.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

I think Gibbs had a great formula doing a Madlib album, an Alchemist album, than an album with multiple producers. You get a different sound each time out and the gaps create excitement for the next time he reunites with those producers.

Funny thing about that though is the Gibbs with other producers stuff makes me miss him with Alc or Madlib.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

It's really not the same thing though. Features are not songs Nas himself conceptualized. Nas did do an Alchemist joint recently, but that was something Cormega put together. Who says when Nas and Al work together by themselves that Nas would pick a beat like that? Or choose a concept like that to write about? Nas is on a completely different wave now, and Alchemist can make so many different types of beats. A full collaboration would obviously have different results than one offs. It's not a fair comparison at all. Today's Nas might jump on a beat more lighthearted and celebratory like Ocean Prime or Palisades if he was making a song for himself, and because of that he might spit something a little more natural than what he did on Glorious. You might not consider these kinds of things, but I do

Everyone has their own opinions. I don't even eat fast food like that, but I like to save taco bell fire sauce to put on my scrambled eggs in the morning. Imagine some a$$hole trying to argue that "the sauce was made for the taco bell menu, if you were a real fan of fire sauce you would be happy eating it on crunchwrap supremes and wouldn't even consider putting it on eggs." Sounds like a psychopath. Make it about music instead of food though and you guys start feeling real comfortable trying to dictate others' opinions and preferences. It's weirdo shyt. Zero self awareness.

When Cormega tried to get Nas on The Realness II, it literally took months before Nas completed his verse because he rejected multiple beats that Cormega sent him. He finally got on board with the Alchemist beat that you hear on "Glorious." It's not like Cormega just sent Nas the track and told him to write to it, no excuses. Nas still had to agree to it and choose the beat that suited him. He had creative input. So there is a possibility that Nas would choose beats like that if he worked with Alchemist on a full-length project.

The point that me, @Ziggiy, @spliz, and others have been trying to make is that worrying about the production credits or what the music might sound like is pointless. At the end of the day, none of us have any idea what these albums and songs will sound like. The fact that Nas has rapped over two Alchemist beats (remember "It Never Ends," the Nas song that Nas conceptualized himself four years ago?) in recent years should be appreciated instead of dismissed, even if it's not exactly what you want. You're headed for a fall if you start tying too many expectations to what a Nas album produced by Alchemist will sound like. Now, you're fantasizing about a project that may never materialize, and if it does, and it doesn't meet your expectations, who gets blamed for it? Nas? Alchemist? Will it turn you off of wanting to hear them together again? I'm sure that's what Nasir did for some people, because Kanye didn't take it seriously.

I can only speak for myself here, but I'm not trying to dictate how anyone should feel about Nas' music. I get it, you want to hear what he can do over twelve Alchemist tracks. But I want everyone here to be realistic. For the time being, Nas is going to continue working with Hit-Boy. His next album will most likely be produced by Hit-Boy, or at least have him as an executive producer or curator. He's not going anywhere. Maybe these two will take some time off, reassess, and come back next year with another album. Or maybe they're feeling charged (like creative people do when they're in the zone) and have more music to give us later this year. None of us have to like it. But we have to accept that this is what Nas wants to do.

Honestly, if it wasn't for Hit-Boy, Nasir would be the most recent album in Nas' discography. He was gone for six years because his business ventures were taking time away from the music, and when he was finally ready to drop something in 2016, he changed his mind, got cold feet, and scrapped the whole project. Nas is very quick to move on from things. I feel like Hit-Boy is the first producer in a long time that he's worked with that told him to stop doing that. That's why we've gotten five albums in three years. That's a level of trust that not every artist has with every producer. It's no different from Elton John working with Bernie Taupin, or Janet Jackson working with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. It's a creative partnership that's going to continue. It's deeper than just wanting to hear someone make an album with another producer, regardless of what they've done in the past.

As long as the music is quality, nobody should care so much who produces it. If you're burnt out by the Hit-Boy era, it's a valid perspective to have. But I really don't see Nas locking in with anyone else like he has in the last three years.

 

[Ziggiy]

I didn't miss that point at all. I get it. I know Hit reinvigorated Nas. Doesn't change my fan status to still want to hear Nas do projects with other producers alongside the Hit projects.

And man, absolutely fans would still ask for Little Brother to do albums with 9th Wonder and Khrysis, and for 3 Stacks to do albums with Organized Noize. Of course they would. Not all the fans, but there's absolutely a portion that would still wish to hear a reinvigorated artist over producers that they have a history and chemistry with.

Any argument against this is literally wanting people to not follow human nature. It's unrealistic to expect imperfect and flawed human beings not to wish to hear more music they enjoy from people that have given them enjoyable music in the past.

LB and Black Milk got music together BTW. It's dope af too.

Again your missing a point. I’ll break it down further

And man, absolutely fans would still ask for Little Brother to do albums with 9th Wonder and Khrysis, and for 3 Stacks to do albums with Organized Noize. Of course they would. Not all the fans, but there's absolutely a portion that would still wish to hear a reinvigorated artist over producers that they have a history and chemistry with.

Then those people are idiots. Plain and simple. Why? Because Phonte and Pooh have told us over and over that they WILL NOT WORK WITH 9TH WONDER EVER AGAIN. Is it nice to dream about a reunion? Sure. Is it human to lament that such a great trio could BE a great trio again? Absolutely. I’m not railing against the concept of hoping and wishing. But I want you to honestly, on THIS board tell me how many Little Brother fans truly kept pushing for a reunion that everyone involved told us will NEVER happen. Not many at all. Most fans in the May The Lord Watch thread got over that fantasy very quickly, adapted, and appreciated that album for what it was, a GREAT body of work. And yet when it comes to Nas, posters are REALLY acting like its a possibility that Pete Rock will ever work with Nas again. After Pete Rock’s antics and Nas throwing a shot at him
ON WAX just 8 months ago. Them nikkas ARE NOT working together, and it shouldn’t even really be a matter of deep discussion. If 9th Wonder were to like a tweet stating that Nottz made loading computer beats, he’d be written off for the hater he’d be. With Pete Rock it was REALLY people defending that shyt. Talking about “His opinion is valid because he’s a legend”. Pure retardation.

On the subject of Krysis, thats the correlation to Alchemist as Hit Boy would be to Black Milk. Fans wanting to see Little Brother to sink up with Krysis would be cool. But again, citing their OPINION as facts is the issue here. Saying “Krysis could 100% make a better album than Black Milk with Little Brother” when there is no EVIDENCE to support that is going to result in natural, human push back. Especially if the last time Little Brother had worked with Krysis was twenty years ago while the heat Black Milk was giving them is in the here and now. Again if you say “My opinion is” then cool. If you want to come on a Hip Hop message board an cite your opinion as FACTS then your going to get push back and you should be READY for that pushback because thats 80% of what we’re here for. To discuss and debate. Whats been the Alchemist fans evidence for their belief that he would make a better album with Nas than Hit Boy?

1). Alchemist works with many different artists and utilizes many different sounds

So does Hit Boy

2). Alchemist has worked with legends across multiple albums and given them quality production

So has Hit Boy

3). Alchemist has commercial success and underground acclaim

So does Hit Boy

4). Alchemist worked with Nas twenty years ago and gave him fire

Hit Boy is working with Nas NOW and giving him fire. That was then. This is now.

When it comes to sales, accolade, and acclaim, in the last 5 years, Hit Boy produced projects either out did or matched Alchemist’s. So again, yea you can have your OPINION but depending on how you express or convey that opinion you gonna get called out. You just called me out, did I bytch and cry or did I lay out and explain EXACTLY the hows, whys, and whats of my stance?

LB and Black Milk got music together BTW. It's dope af too.

So do Nas and Alchemist. Nas and Pete Rock. Nas and Dj Premier. Nas and a bunch of other producers outside of Hit Boy the last 4 years. I posted an entire album’s worth of songs Nas is featured on that have ZERO to do with Hit Boy.

So lets sum this up. If your of the opinion that Nas should work with another producer, then fine, more power to you. But at some point if the man himself is telling you that he and Hit Boy will be working together for the foreseeable future, its probably best to accept it.

 

[Cladyclad]

Again your missing a point. I’ll break it down further




Then those people are idiots. Plain and simple. Why? Because Phonte and Pooh have told us over and over that they WILL NOT WORK WITH 9TH WONDER EVER AGAIN. Is it nice to dream about a reunion? Sure. Is it human to lament that such a great trio could BE a great trio again? Absolutely. I’m not railing against the concept of hoping and wishing. But I want you to honestly, on THIS board tell me how many Little Brother fans truly kept pushing for a reunion that everyone involved told us will NEVER happen. Not many at all. Most fans in the May The Lord Watch thread got over that fantasy very quickly, adapted, and appreciated that album for what it was, a GREAT body of work. And yet when it comes to Nas, posters are REALLY acting like its a possibility that Pete Rock will ever work with Nas again. After Pete Rock’s antics and Nas throwing a shot at him
ON WAX just 8 months ago. Them nikkas ARE NOT working together, and it shouldn’t even really be a matter of deep discussion. If 9th Wonder were to like a tweet stating that Nottz made loading computer beats, he’d be written off for the hater he’d be. With Pete Rock it was REALLY people defending that shyt. Talking about “His opinion is valid because he’s a legend”. Pure retardation.

On the subject of Krysis, thats the correlation to Alchemist as Hit Boy would be to Black Milk. Fans wanting to see Little Brother to sink up with Krysis would be cool. But again, citing their OPINION as facts is the issue here. Saying “Krysis could 100% make a better album than Black Milk with Little Brother” when there is no EVIDENCE to support that is going to result in natural, human push back. Especially if the last time Little Brother had worked with Krysis was twenty years ago while the heat Black Milk was giving them is in the here and now. Again if you say “My opinion is” then cool. If you want to come on a Hip Hop message board an cite your opinion as FACTS then your going to get push back and you should be READY for that pushback because thats 80% of what we’re here for. To discuss and debate. Whats been the Alchemist fans evidence for their belief that he would make a better album with Nas than Hit Boy?

1). Alchemist works with many different artists and utilizes many different sounds

So does Hit Boy

2). Alchemist has worked with legends across multiple albums and given them quality production

So has Hit Boy

3). Alchemist has commercial success and underground acclaim

So does Hit Boy

4). Alchemist worked with Nas twenty years ago and gave him fire

Hit Boy is working with Nas NOW and giving him fire. That was then. This is now.

When it comes to sales, accolade, and acclaim, in the last 5 years, Hit Boy produced projects either out did or matched Alchemist’s. So again, yea you can have your OPINION but depending on how you express or convey that opinion you gonna get called out. You just called me out, did I bytch and cry or did I lay out and explain EXACTLY the hows, whys, and whats of my stance?




So do Nas and Alchemist. Nas and Pete Rock. Nas and Dj Premier. Nas and a bunch of other producers outside of Hit Boy the last 4 years. I posted an entire album’s worth of songs Nas is featured on that have ZERO to do with Hit Boy.

So lets sum this up. If your of the opinion that Nas should work with another producer, then fine, more power to you. But at some point if the man himself is telling you that he and Hit Boy will be working together for the foreseeable future, its probably best to accept it.

Hit-Boy made 5 albums with one of the highest selling rappers ever lol

im pretty sure if Alchemist or any producer produce for Nas the numbers wouldn’t change. Nobody bought a Nas album for a damn Hit-Boy beat lol

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Again your missing a point. I’ll break it down further




Then those people are idiots. Plain and simple. Why? Because Phonte and Pooh have told us over and over that they WILL NOT WORK WITH 9TH WONDER EVER AGAIN. Is it nice to dream about a reunion? Sure. Is it human to lament that such a great trio could BE a great trio again? Absolutely. I’m not railing against the concept of hoping and wishing. But I want you to honestly, on THIS board tell me how many Little Brother fans truly kept pushing for a reunion that everyone involved told us will NEVER happen. Not many at all. Most fans in the May The Lord Watch thread got over that fantasy very quickly, adapted, and appreciated that album for what it was, a GREAT body of work. And yet when it comes to Nas, posters are REALLY acting like its a possibility that Pete Rock will ever work with Nas again. After Pete Rock’s antics and Nas throwing a shot at him
ON WAX just 8 months ago. Them nikkas ARE NOT working together, and it shouldn’t even really be a matter of deep discussion. If 9th Wonder were to like a tweet stating that Nottz made loading computer beats, he’d be written off for the hater he’d be. With Pete Rock it was REALLY people defending that shyt. Talking about “His opinion is valid because he’s a legend”. Pure retardation.

On the subject of Krysis, thats the correlation to Alchemist as Hit Boy would be to Black Milk. Fans wanting to see Little Brother to sink up with Krysis would be cool. But again, citing their OPINION as facts is the issue here. Saying “Krysis could 100% make a better album than Black Milk with Little Brother” when there is no EVIDENCE to support that is going to result in natural, human push back. Especially if the last time Little Brother had worked with Krysis was twenty years ago while the heat Black Milk was giving them is in the here and now. Again if you say “My opinion is” then cool. If you want to come on a Hip Hop message board an cite your opinion as FACTS then your going to get push back and you should be READY for that pushback because thats 80% of what we’re here for. To discuss and debate. Whats been the Alchemist fans evidence for their belief that he would make a better album with Nas than Hit Boy?

1). Alchemist works with many different artists and utilizes many different sounds

So does Hit Boy

2). Alchemist has worked with legends across multiple albums and given them quality production

So has Hit Boy

3). Alchemist has commercial success and underground acclaim

So does Hit Boy

4). Alchemist worked with Nas twenty years ago and gave him fire

Hit Boy is working with Nas NOW and giving him fire. That was then. This is now.

When it comes to sales, accolade, and acclaim, in the last 5 years, Hit Boy produced projects either out did or matched Alchemist’s. So again, yea you can have your OPINION but depending on how you express or convey that opinion you gonna get called out. You just called me out, did I bytch and cry or did I lay out and explain EXACTLY the hows, whys, and whats of my stance?




So do Nas and Alchemist. Nas and Pete Rock. Nas and Dj Premier. Nas and a bunch of other producers outside of Hit Boy the last 4 years. I posted an entire album’s worth of songs Nas is featured on that have ZERO to do with Hit Boy.

So lets sum this up. If your of the opinion that Nas should work with another producer, then fine, more power to you. But at some point if the man himself is telling you that he and Hit Boy will be working together for the foreseeable future, its probably best to accept it.

I just posted the LB and Milk songs in case you wanted to enjoy them. I wasn't trying to make a point with those. I wasn't trying to really call you out either. Like, none of this is that serious. I was just saying it's human nature for people to want to hear music with collaborators they enjoy. I'm not saying anything deeper than that. I don't even think I called you out. I was just saying I think I should be allowed to be fan and not a "fan" even if I'd like to hear other Nas projects alongside these Hit-Boy ones.

It's just a message board and it's all peoples' opinions, and different people like to hear different things. None of this is that serious, and it's definitely not to me. You know I like Nas and Hit-Boy so I'm not sure what I said to set off these super long messages that seem agitated. I don't mean that as a diss either. It's just the energy I'm reading this in and the energy I'm feeling when I was writing my posts don't seem to align. Wasn't trying to be out of line with you

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

The point that me, @Ziggiy, @spliz, and others have been trying to make is that worrying about the production credits or what the music might sound like is pointless. At the end of the day, none of us have any idea what these albums and songs will sound like. The fact that Nas has rapped over two Alchemist beats (remember "It Never Ends," the Nas song that Nas conceptualized himself four years ago?) in recent years should be appreciated instead of dismissed, even if it's not exactly what you want. You're headed for a fall if you start tying too many expectations to what a Nas album produced by Alchemist will sound like. Now, you're fantasizing about a project that may never materialize, and if it does, and it doesn't meet your expectations, who gets blamed for it? Nas? Alchemist? Will it turn you off of wanting to hear them together again? I'm sure that's what Nasir did for some people, because Kanye didn't take it seriously.

Who says I'm worried? If it comes out and I am disappointed, who cares? If it never comes out and I'm disappointed because of that, so what? You trying to convince me all this gate keeping and condescension is for my benefit? Worried I might be "headed for a fall"? What the fukk are you even saying? Bruh, either the album drops or it doesn't, either it's good or it's not. If I blame Nas and never want to hear them together again... why does it matter? My psyche is not so fragile that I need your help tempering my expectations. I'm good. I'm not going to start typing like I got VEINS popping out of my EYEBALLS like some people around here do.

I just used the Cormega joint as an example because Alchemist has been the hot topic since before Magic 2 even dropped. The point is that you guys just keep on coming up with reasons that we should feel wrong for having a different opinion than you. You don't care to hear Nas work with anyone other than Hitboy again? Cool. Good for you. I feel a different way. What does it matter how I feel? You think Nas and Hitboy even know who I am? You think they're going to read my posts and it's going to just fukk up their entire vibe in the studio? I'm a nobody. Let us have our little nobody opinions without the gatekeepy condescending bullshyt. I hope Nas works with some other producers soon. What he's done with Hitboy has been dope, but Hitboy just doesn't have the talent to take him to the potentials I know he can reach, and at this point it's starting to feel like he's holding him back. I don't care if you disagree. Only reason I keep arguing with you bozos is because you guys continue talking spicy at everyone who has any criticism for Hitboy and unfortunately for you, I have nothing to do for like the next 3 days lol. I got time to bullshyt.

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

man, what on earth?

I just posted the LB and Milk songs in case you wanted to enjoy them. I wasn't trying to make a point with those. I wasn't trying to really call you out either. Like, none of this is that serious. I was just saying it's human nature for people to want to hear music with collaborators they enjoy. I'm not saying anything deeper than that. I don't even think I called you out. I was just saying I think I should be allowed to be fan and not a "fan" even if I'd like to hear other Nas projects alongside these Hit-Boy ones.

It's just a message board and it's all peoples' opinions, and different people like to hear different things. None of this is that serious, and it's definitely not to me. You know I like Nas and Hit-Boy so I'm not sure what I said to set off these super long messages that seem agitated. I don't mean that as a diss either. It's just the energy I'm reading this in and the energy I'm feeling when I was writing my posts don't seem to align. Wasn't trying to be out of line with you

I warned you, bro

That guy has zero chill.

EDIT: On the topic of Krysis though, a Nas x Krysis album would be
I said what I said.

 

[Ziggiy]

I just posted the LB and Milk songs in case you wanted to enjoy them. I wasn't trying to make a point with those. I wasn't trying to really call you out either. Like, none of this is that serious. I was just saying it's human nature for people to want to hear music with collaborators they enjoy. I'm not saying anything deeper than that. I don't even think I called you out. I was just saying I think I should be allowed to be fan and not a "fan" even if I'd like to hear other Nas projects alongside these Hit-Boy ones.

It's just a message board and it's all peoples' opinions, and different people like to hear different things. None of this is that serious, and it's definitely not to me. You know I like Nas and Hit-Boy so I'm not sure what I said to set off these super long messages that seem agitated. I don't mean that as a diss either. It's just the energy I'm reading this in and the energy I'm feeling when I was writing my posts don't seem to align. Wasn't trying to be out of line with you

Your reading the energy wrong

“Calling me out” just means you quoted me and explained how you felt about something regarding my post which to ME signifies you want an explanation regarding that post or opinion. I gave that you. My “agitation” isn’t directed towards YOU but rather posters who again, post their opinions as if they were FACTS and then when they get challenged revert back to “bu bu but its MY OPINION!”

You and me have no problems

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I warned you, bro

That guy has zero chill.

Lol I never had the all capital letters directed at me before, and I know @Ziggiy that it's your posting style, but I just feel like you're yelling at my ass

I'm not trying to be rude at you man. The all caps and the long messages were just throwing me.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Your reading the energy wrong

“Calling me out” just means you quoted me and explained how you felt about something regarding my post which to ME signifies you want an explanation regarding that post or opinion. I gave that you. My “agitation” isn’t directed towards YOU but rather posters who again, post their opinions as if they were FACTS and then when they get challenged revert back to “bu bu but its MY OPINION!”

You and me have no problems

go no problem with you either bro. It's all love

 

[JustCKing]

Hitboy just doesn't have the talent to take him to the potentials I know he can reach, and at this point it's starting to feel like he's holding him back.

This is why this whole "condescension" as you call it exists. Do you know how crazy you sound saying Hit Boy doesn't have the talent to take Nas to potentials you know he can reach? What evidence do you have to even reach such a conclusion? This is where a simple "I'm just not feeling Hit Boy's production and would like to hear what Nas can do with other producers" would've sufficed. Nothing wrong with a statement like that even though I don't agree. This whole "Nas would make superior music with better producers" is something else though and deserves all the smoke and gatekeeping that its getting and then some.