My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

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I'd love for Kuz to be a future core piece of our bench, honestly. The guy loves to play basketball and loves to put in effort. He's not afraid and knows his own limits and plays to that efficiently.

Like O'Quinn, Liz plays even better when he's part of a winning momentum. (Kind of why if the season continues to go into the shyttee, I'd be willing to package O'Quinn and Melo for a lot of picks and solid young role players. I just want to see O'Quinn ball on a winning squad.)

I am really hoping you guys are right about Porzingis needing to move to the Center position. shyt, why NY have O'Quinn be a permanent 4... He gets muscles by Centers, ALOT. That way, Hernangomez could be the first big off the bench (or, if Melo stays at the PF position, him and Quinn and Quinn can be our rotating frontcourt.
so...we're gonna have noah be a 18 million dollar 12th man? :dead:
you know we're gonna force playing him. none of these rotations are realistic with noah on the roster.
 

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I'd love for Kuz to be a future core piece of our bench, honestly. The guy loves to play basketball and loves to put in effort. He's not afraid and knows his own limits and plays to that efficiently.

Like O'Quinn, Liz plays even better when he's part of a winning momentum. (Kind of why if the season continues to go into the shyttee, I'd be willing to package O'Quinn and Melo for a lot of picks and solid young role players. I just want to see O'Quinn ball on a winning squad.)

I am really hoping you guys are right about Porzingis needing to move to the Center position. shyt, why NY have O'Quinn be a permanent 4... He gets muscles by Centers, ALOT. That way, Hernangomez could be the first big off the bench (or, if Melo stays at the PF position, him and Quinn and Quinn can be our rotating frontcourt.
Kp6 at the 4 with hernangomez
 

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so...we're gonna have noah be a 18 million dollar 12th man? :dead:
you know we're gonna force playing him. none of these rotations are realistic with noah on the roster.
Noah is untradable o Quinn has to go hernangomez is the future
 

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Tank for the Anthony Bennetts, Derrick Williams & Hasheem Thabeets of the worlds brehs :mjgrin:
my nikka...you're reaching here
for each of those busts theres 10 players that were above serviceable to cornerstones.
everyone knew bennett was a reach :dead:
all the stars or players with superstar potential in this league.....were top 10 picks with the exception of two players. giannis and kawhi....and kawhi wouldnt be who he is without the spurs.
edit: throw jimmy butler in there too.
 

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I brag about the enjoyment I had during the 99 season when we the 8th seed.:dwillhuh:

I mean, we are all belaboring the same points but brehs want to be fukking entertained, breh.

That was a team that had as much talent as anyone in the conference but they had tons of injuries and it was a strike shortened season. They weren't a real 8th seed

This team would be food for the Cavs
 

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Their upside is considerably higher then the Knicks

They have a young piece to build around and now ton of draft picks and assets to try to get another young player to build around

How are the Knicks gonna get another young star to pair with Porzingis?
Do they have championship upside?
 

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:mjlol:No they will not be in the same place as the Knicks. The 76'ers have their main piece (Embiid) his probable sidekick (Simmons) young tradeable assets that can return good value in the future(Okafor and Noel) and two lottery picks in the next draft. The Bucks have their main piece (Greek Freak) his sidekick (Parker) and young players that are already good and still improving (Brogdon, Middleton). The Knicks currently do not have KP's sidekick, have two horrible K's (Melo and Noah), and getting to the playoffs has them picking outside the lottery.

The empty argument that the Knicks can still get talent in the middle of the draft because of faith in the ability of the FO is illogical. If one has ample faith in the FO's talent wouldn't the concept of probability lead to the conclusion that they are more likely to get a better prospect at #10 then at #17 given their ability? If cats have so much faith in the FO, why not put them in the best position to succeed?

Dudes who want the Knicks to make the playoffs only put forward short-sighted moral grandstanding emotional arguments.
Can they compete for a title in 3 years? Their ceilings are 2nd round in the playoffs, if they're lucky.
 

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Also winning culture means our picks can develop faster. nikkas underestimate how being trash affects a team. Look at the kings they CONSTANTLY kill their own players development. Tanking isn't 100 proof and we already got a future hofer. Getting him playoff experience wouldn't be a horrible idea especially if we draft good. Great players can be found late in the draft you just need to ACTUALLY DEVELOP THEM. I think a winning culture must be established

I agree, but people see teams like Milwaukee & Philly & get hard ons for tanking. Their is no guarantee that 1) the high draft pick will be good, 2) the draft pick will stay in NY after their rookie deal is done. We've seen it over the years with big name free agents spurning us, playing in NYC isn't as enticing as it once was.


The only thing that develops a winning culture is talent, because talent is what wins. Rebuilding a roster takes time, and while Philly may not be contending any time soon... neither will anybody aside from GSW and Cleveland.

I'm not advocating tanking, I don't think this roster is bad enough to get a top 5-8 pick right now. But all of this "you can find great players late in the draft" shyt is silly and ahistorical. While you CAN find great players in the back of the draft... you are far more likely to find them at the top of the draft. The higher your pick, the higher the chance you have of getting the most talented player possible. The numbers bear it out.

So while "there is no guarantee that a high pick gets a you a star" there is a guarantee that a higher pick gets you a better chance at a star. And the knicks roster, as currently constructed -- has exactly one player who will be a star two years from now. That isn't enough to win.

And BECAUSE "over the years big name free agents have spurned us" and considering the way the CBA has been updated to help teams keep the stars they draft -- you have to bank on building from within, which means drafting those stars yourself.

These points are not up for debate. They are facts. Now, if you want to argue that you'd prefer to watch a team that is scraping and scrapping for 25-38 wins, rather than one that is getting its face kicked in for 72 losses. That is a fair and valid argument to make. But it is an argument of your taste -- not what is best for acquiring talent.

I think more than anything, this is what I have argued over in this thread with fans. I think people easily mix up their feelings about watching a team, with what is best for the team's long term success. And they like to talk about "playoff experience for the players" when what they really mean is "I want to watch my team in the playoffs."

I want to see Porzingis in the playoffs, too.

The fact is the Knicks have needed to go through a full rebuilding for almost 15 years now, and they won't do it. And we give Phil Jackson shyt for making short-sighted decisions (whatup Joakim) -- but the reality is, if you read through this thread most of the fans here are just as impatient as Phil. We tanked one year, and got Porzingis. We now have a player that will still be a star talent in 3 years. But fans panic and want to see the playoffs now, just like Phil did this summer.

This isn't a direct attack on either of the posters I quoted. They represent a feeling among some fans. And some GMs, too, it turns out. But if you can't see the cycle there, or at least the parallel, then you should probably not bother responding.
 
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The only thing that develops a winning culture is talent, because talent is what wins. Rebuilding a roster takes time, and while Philly may not be contending any time soon... neither will anybody aside from GSW and Cleveland.

I'm not advocating tanking, I don't think this roster is bad enough to get a top 5-8 pick right now. But all of this "you can find great players late in the draft" shyt is silly and ahistorical. While you CAN find great players in the back of the draft... you are far more likely to find them at the top of the draft. The higher your pick, the higher the chance you have of getting the most talented player possible. The numbers bear it out.

So while "there is no guarantee that a high pick gets a you a star" there is a guarantee that a higher pick gets you a better chance at a star. And the knicks roster, as currently constructed -- has exactly one player who will be a star two years from now. That isn't enough to win.

And BECAUSE "over the years big name free agents have spurned us" and considering the way the CBA has been updated to help teams keep the stars they draft -- you have to bank on building from within, which means drafting those stars yourself.

These points are not up for debate. They are facts. Now, if you want to argue that you'd prefer to watch a team that is scraping and scrapping for 25-38 wins, rather than one that is getting its face kicked in for 72 losses. That is a fair and valid argument to make. But it is an argument of your taste -- not what is best for acquiring talent.

I think more than anything, this is what I have argued over in this thread with fans. I think people easily mix up their feelings about watching a team, with what is best for the team's long term success. And they like to talk about "playoff experience for the players" when what they really mean is "I want to watch my team in the playoffs."

I want to see Porzingis in the playoffs, too.
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That was a team that had as much talent as anyone in the conference but they had tons of injuries and it was a strike shortened season. They weren't a real 8th seed

This team would be food for the Cavs
I agree with you, actually.

But breh, I understand y'all. Dead ass, I do.

Throw nikkas on the other side of the debate a bone and atleast admit you understand how it can be difficult or some people to just be okay with low key sabotaging the team they love.
 
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