Bruh, you don't need some veteran teaching him how to play, who is that guy showing Giannis the ropes? Who showed LeBron or KD? Who showed any number of superstars today how to be stars, Porzingis would develop regardless
. What would be more important than Melo would be pairing KP with another young player he can actually grow with, especially now with the new CBA making it more difficult to build through free agency. I hope you realize that you're going to have to ride out Melo's contract and then build after he's done,
you're just delaying the inevitable and will burn some of KP's seasons to do it.
I think this is an important post to start with, because it brings up the point I always come back to. Melo's value as a player and an asset is only going to decline. He only gets older. Rose is already a diminished player.. he's maybe a top 15 guard in the league right now? If you're being generous, and there are only more guards coming in. And this is from somebody who really like Rose and wants to root for him.
The argument is, what will make you the best team, for the longest amount of time. That is how you build any business, and how I'd want a team to be built. Trying to pair KP with another young player, or another TWO young players is what you want to do. You want them to build together, you don't want melo being washed/leaving/retiring as KP is hitting his prime... It's better to have two or three guys on the same trajectory.
What leverage would NY have when calling any GM? The other team's GM would know we wouldn't have a competitive table and know he'd be one of the only teams that could make it happen.
The return would be absolutely terrible as
@I.V. continues to say.
I do say that his value has diminished on the market. Because that is true. I also love that he and KP have bonded, and they play relatively well together.
When you see the way he treated Lin (who was not nearly the talent KP is, but was a useful young talent) - I'm happy to see him gravitating toward KP.
That being said, I don't think that means you give up on looking for ways to improve the team. You should be evaluating every possibility, and that should always include trading melo (as well as any other player on the team, who would allow you to improve long-term)
Being PC.
Rose helps him more than Melo does.
No, he doesn't. Rose does not create nearly as many opportunities for KP as melo does.
I agree with the idea of:
What else is Porzingis gonna say? -- But I also think they generally like each other, and like being on the same team.
Anyway... So Chris Paul isn't a free agent until Summer 2018.
That leaves D. Rose, Jrue Holiday, Steph Curry(shouldn't even mention him), Jeff Teague, and Shaun Livingston as the top PG free agents this summer.
I'm really interested in what alot of yall have to to say about this...
I would be looking to the draft, and to the trade market. But you don't necessarily NEED to fill that position this offseason.
I don't believe in spending the money just because you have it. If they hold in the late teens for draft position, I'd probably target Jonathan Jeanne, unless Frank Ntilikina fell. There are people that really like Sumner from Xavier, his inability to shoot makes me nervous, but he's a big pg, and Ntilikina can't really shoot either. And Sumner could turn into a really tough defender.
I don't think you should sign Rose to 20 Million per, because you don't like THIS YEAR's crop of pgs. That's not a good decision.
@Malta
So, I've started to realize that all a fan wants is winning seasons, playoff intensity, and a bunch of games that come down to their favorite player making the game winning shot, debating against trolls, seeing the faces of haters when your team wins a game and seeing some great highlights.
I see the difference in stance, though. I just find it interesting that many teams intentionally tanked and got Okafor, the Knicks played hard but were garbage(much like the Nets this year) and got Porzingis.
To these two points: Of course fans just want to see a good team play. But you have to manage the future to STAY good. Teams that don't manage the future, and make decisions AHEAD of that future arriving, end up losing 60 games and trading tyson chandler for pennies on the dollar. And this is why fans DON'T run teams. Because if you are the type who just wants to see some playoff games, then those are the kind of decisions you make. It is why a team has to be managed and run like a business, and not like a birthday party. That's not a diss, it's just the facts.
As far as the second point, many teams did not get Okafor. One team got him. One team got Okafor, one got Towns, one got Porzingis. And if you think the knicks weren't intentionally tanking that season... you're on drugs. You are on ALL of the drugs. The knicks tanked, they sold off competitive talent, and they went forward with a team they knew wouldn't be shyt, hoping for a draft pick. And it got us porzingis.
It is not fair to now rewrite history, like the knicks were fighting the good fight, and it just went the other way. it was their one shot at a lottery pick in a window where they hadn't already traded it... So they tanked. They got KP for it. It was a success.
And if we're being totally honest -- taking is the single best decision, and the single most successful decision this team has made in over a decade.
nobody knows what simmons is gonna do in the NBA, and embidd will get injured again and it will be all downhill for him, I could be wrong but I don't have high hopes for him at all...even so, nobody wants to play for philly, they are a shyt city with a losing culture ever since the end of the iverson era. Their future is far from bright.
It doesn't matter right now if nobody wants to play for philly. They are drafting young players who HAVE to play for them, and the CBA has been redesigned to KEEP these guys playing for them.
Why is Milwaukee being used as an example as to why we should tank?
I'mma stop you here, it's not about "tanking" -- it is about building a stable of young, top-tier talent. The best way to do that is through the draft. The best way to give yourself the opportunity to grab the most talented players, is to have the highest pick. That is math. It is not up for debate.
The reason the Bucks are used, is because they have a stable of young talent, that has been built through the draft. They kept their picks, and they made good decisions, and they were blessed with an INCREDIBLE talent among those picks, in Giannis. They have paired him with Jabari Parker -- and have filled out the roster with other young draft picks and value signings.
The very point of using the bucks is to show you don't have to tank and get top 3 picks year after year to build this way. You can't do it with a commitment to scouting, acquiring value in the free agency and the draft -- and still field competitive basketball.
Philly has a bright future, yet 2 out of their 3 bigs that they have drafted are on the trading block
Having assets to trade is a good thing.
And just because you draft very good young talent together, that doesn't mean they stay together. We saw what happened to the Thunder & the JJJ Mavs
You should read up on the new CBA. But you're right, it's not a given. But if you pay attention to history, drafting a player in the first round generally gives you 4-7 years of control.
Let me know when Philly & Milwaukee become Eastern Conference powerhouses
Dog, keep it real -- Let me know when the
Knicks are an Eastern Conference powerhouse.
This knicks team can't defend a lick. Lost 4 of 6, they're floating around .500, and recently dropped games to the Nuggets and Suns. Now, none of that is disastrous. But it is also not that great. They're a bottom tier team in point differential and points given up. The guy they brought in to control the paint and shore up the defense is totally washed, and we gave him a four year deal.
They knicks are currently in position to fight for a 6-8 seed this season, and in order to just MAINTAIN that level of "hey, we're pretty solid"-ness, they have to resign Derrick Rose to a large longterm deal.
That is not a great place to be. It is an alright place to be. But this team has not been built for the future, they used the offseason to bring a pair of former stars, and a 31 year old wing 3&D player.
The Knicks future is murky, and has been make murkier by questionable decisions. They have a GENERATIONAL talent. A top 5 guy under the age of 25, and they have opted to surround him with players in their prime or passed their primes.
That is a little scary, to me. I remember how hyped this thread was when the knicks were a top seed in the east 3-4 years ago, people did not see how quickly it changes if you're not looking forward, and the team was in the bushes for the next three seasons.
So let's not laugh at Philly and the Wolves, who are having rough seasons, but can only go up from here. Their best players are on the rise.
and had the time and patience to develop those players, yall are on Melo's schedule right now. The Jerian Grant trade was 
