My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[Malta]

"This team ain't going to be shyt for atleast 5 years."

^ How people describe any team that is going to be a lottery team until they finally become a team in playoff contention.

"This team ain't going to be shyt for atleast 5 years."

^ How people describe the Knicks until they become an irrefutable championship contender rivaled by only the Warriors..


Breh's literally came in here and said "well, Philly was in the playoffs a couple years ago!"

nikka, how is that a positive for Philly but a negative for NY? All I hear about is how the Wolves have a core, the Pelicans might make noise this year, the Bucks have been successful.

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Because Philly hasn't deluded themselves into believing they are playing for a title

They aren't in "Win now mode" while you all act like Melo + Porzingis and whatever else garbage you assemble around them has a chance of beating the Cavs.


You're in "win now" mode and have the same basic success as them, but without the bright future to look forward to. The Knicks are delaying the inevitable rebuild, it would be better to do it now than later, especially with those young teams like the Bucks & Sixers stacking talent who are the same age or younger than Kristaps. In 3 years it's gonna be Kristaps + Jeff Teague and shyt vs Giannis / Jabari / Middleton or Embiid, Simmons, Fultz & Tatum

 

[DPresidential]

Because Philly hasn't deluded themselves into believing they are playing for a title

They aren't in "Win now mode" while you all act like Melo + Porzingis and whatever else garbage you assemble around them has a chance of beating the Cavs.


You're in "win now" mode and have the same basic success as them, but without the bright future to look forward to. The Knicks are delaying the inevitable rebuild, it would be better to do it now than later, especially with those young teams like the Bucks & Sixers stacking talent.

The bright future? You tell me when the Wolves, Bucks and/or 76ers will be contenders.

Was Phil in Win now mode when he drafted Porzingis? When he didn't trade Porzingis? When he traded Lopez & Grant for Rose and Holiday? When he traded for a young and raw talented O'Quinn?

The Noah trade was less win now mode and more - he was mistakenly confident that Noah could get back to the health of his DPOY year.

I'll tell you what mode, as a fan, I'm in...

I want to see playoff basketball. I want to feel like we can win every game. I want to enjoy my time watching most games. I also want a championship squad.

I've constantly maintained that I want to be able to go to games or watch meaningful games. I'm not the GM or owner of the team... My pockets don't get lined when we win a chip.

What does that mean? As a fan, I'd rather have competitive and enjoyable games throughout as many years as possible instead of watching tank season after season HOPING that the prospect turns into something well so they can possibly be relevant again before the draft pick has his contract expire and signs somewhere else.

I suffer in my own ways as a Knick fan... cuz I'm a Knick fan...

But these nikkas who are active fans of Philly... who have to suffer the unbearable seasons only to finally see that Embiid WILL.....

POSSIBLY make them a playoff team... I'm good, breh.



We were terrible because we were garbage...but brehs tried to play. That's all I can ask. And it brought us Porzingis and a possible fun playoff berth this year and options moving forward.

What team is doing what you want them to do, Malta?

 

[Malta]

I'll tell you what mode, as a fan, I'm in...

I want to see playoff basketball. I want to feel like we can win every game. I want to enjoy my time watching most games. I also want a championship squad.

I've constantly maintained that I want to be able to go to games or watch meaningful games. I'm not the GM or owner of the team... My pockets don't get lined when we win a chip.

What does that mean? As a fan, I'd rather have competitive and enjoyable games throughout the as many years as possible instead of watching tank season after season HOPING that the prospect turns into something well so they can possibly be relevant again before the draft pick has his contract expire and signs somewhere else.

I suffer in my own ways as a Knick fan... cuz I'm a Knick fan...

But these nikkas who are active fans of Philly... who have to suffer the unbearable seasons only to finally see that Embiid WILL.....

POSSIBLY make them a playoff team... I'm good, breh.



We were terrible because we were garbage...but brehs tried to play. That's all I can ask. And it brought us Porzingis and a possible fun playoff berth this year and options moving forward.

What team is doing what you want them to do, Malta?

You don't have a championship squad, and the team you have now will have a very short shelf life, it's not that hard to see where this is going to end up.

The Knicks have an elite young talent, one of the top 5 guys under the age of 25 on their squad (Giannis, Davis, KAT, Embiid and Kristaps) and should be doing their best to put a competitive YOUNG squad on the floor, you can flirt with the playoffs but getting a secondary player to pair with Kristaps should be the most important thing to do. Someone @'s me in here, and I see you all talking about all these FA PGs that you have no shot of landing now that the new CBA will prevent a lot of player movement, then I look at the draft this year loaded with lottery PGs and I'm just like They need to face the fact that this is not a title team with Melo, and it will never be one, there is no realistic move you can make right now that would have you beating the Raptors, let alone the Cavs.


I like what the Sixers are doing, I love what the Bucks have done, you were gifted a potential generational talent in Kristaps and should build around him like the Bucks, Wolves and Sixers are doing with their guys. You know why I don't like what the Knicks are doing? It's because I've seen the movie before, when the Cavs went into win now mode with LeBron the first time rather than bottoming out and getting the proper talent around him, when the Wolves fukked over KG, or what the Pelicans are currently doing with AD where they made win now moves and traded away their future, now they're back at square 1 regardless and wasting years for Davis.

 

[DPresidential]

@Malta If Giannis were to leave the Bucks or if the Bucks never become more than a 3 seed... Is it an L?

Secondly, you seem to be on an interesting pedestal. I'm a fan... I just cannot see myself ever suggesting an intentional tank. I did not come from a privileged background and I remember going to my first Knick game with my father who I know took a monetary hit to take me.

People pay for these fukking games. I just can't see myself doing something as egregious as intentional tanking. You are a basketball fan speaking like your just about the profit a chip can bring your organization. I'm a basketball fan speaking from my proper place in this equation. How could I say, let's LOSE. And lose some more. And some more! Yea, not we have it 8 years from now. It's not in my computation, sorry.

Try to turn that part of my stance as an L, go for it.

With that being said, that seems to be the splintering of our discourse. The gap between us suggests that... Good luck to those teams you mentioned though, I'll be watching their progress.

Enjoy our thread in the meantime.

 

[DPresidential]

Brehs really want to take the fun out of watching basketball with some truly despicable tactics. Spooky.

Ole 'keep restarting the game because I lost the tip" ass nikkas.

 

[Malta]

@Malta If Giannis were to leave the Bucks or if the Bucks never become more than a 3 seed... Is it an L?

He just signed a 4 year extension, he'll be 26 when it's up and the Bucks will give him the new super max. Your question rests on the idea of him leaving a 5 year $220million deal for a 4 year $150 million deal. As for them never becoming more than a 3 seed, again, they have one of the best young players under 25 in the league, it would take a serious injury for that to happen, like Kristaps his talent is undeniable.

Secondly, you seem to be on an interesting pedestal. I'm a fan... I just cannot see myself ever suggesting an intentional tank. I did not come from a privileged background and I remember going to my first Knick game with my father who I know took a monetary hit to take me.

People pay for these fukking games. I just can't see myself doing something as egregious as intentional tanking. You are a basketball fan speaking like your just about the profit a chip can bring your organization. I'm a basketball fan speaking from my proper place in this equation. How could I say, let's LOSE. And lose some more. And some more! Yea, not we have it 8 years from now. It's not in my computation, sorry.

Try to turn that part of my stance as an L, go for it.

With that being said, that seems to be the splintering of our discourse. The gap between us suggests that... Good luck to those teams you mentioned though, I'll be watching their progress.

Enjoy our thread in the meantime.

I'm not trying to hand out "Ls" over a difference of build philosophy, we just talking

Well, the new CBA has just made tanking a much more viable tactic because waiting to try and sign some other team's star player is going to be extremely difficult. The reason KD left is because he really didn't have to choose between GS & OKC based on money, it was just a matter of years and once you opt for short 1-2 year deals it doesn't matter. The new CBA, the team that drafted you can offer substantially more money on a year by year basis. In this draft, you don't need to go all out in tanking, just getting a lottery pick should be able to secure you one of the Ball, Smith, Ntilikina, Fultz, Fox or Monk PGs. I asked you in the random thread, who can you sign in the offseason to play PG, you have no answer and the CP3 question requires him to leave $75 million to play for the Knicks...how likely is that?

I watch all kind of basketball, watching "bad" basketball doesn't hurt me in anyway, I check out Westchester Knicks games up at the county center. It's easy, you lose now to profit later, because in the end this road your own is going to lead to you needing to rebuild regardless. You take the hit today, to avoid doing it 2 years from now. The Knicks are a treadmill team right now, and that is only going to get worse as Melo ages, you're too good to get a great draft pick and too bad to make any real noise in the playoffs.

 

[DPresidential]

@Malta

I watch bad basketball also. I don't watch bad basketball where the behind the scenes the executives are intentionally trying to sabotage a team.

I watched every nightmarish game 2 seasons ago. I enjoyed watching them play as hard as they could.

Malta, you have to admit something... we don't watch the tv shows that have uninspired narratives. We are glued to the screen when there is drama, semblance of hope, and ability to imagine the impossible.

I look at basketball like that, also. I've thought about it:

I think about Cavs fans who finally got their chip. It seems that that shyt wore off as soon as the next season started, ready for the push again. It was bugged out to actually see that because, as a Knick fan, I imagine peace in the world after a Knicks chip.


So, I've started to realize that all a fan wants is winning seasons, playoff intensity, and a bunch of games that come down to their favorite player making the game winning shot, debating against trolls, seeing the faces of haters when your team wins a game and seeing some great highlights.

That's really why we pay. Again, I want a chip, but I want to enjoy more games, too.

I see the difference in stance, though. I just find it interesting that many teams intentionally tanked and got Okafor, the Knicks played hard but were garbage(much like the Nets this year) and got Porzingis.

I actually like having a polarizing figure like Melo that I can argue in support of and root for him to do well as well as go nuts when Rose gets traded to our team and plays more games than Mike Conley. And I also love seeing our future grow with Porzingis.

Maybe, I've just been traumatized, but breh... I'm enjoying this shyt...even when I'm being tortured. As long as everyone from my coach and my players are out there trying to win tonight.









^This shyt sounded like the end of movie monologue of a character in an MSG made for TV movie about the Knicks. I'm so fukking lame.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Because Philly hasn't deluded themselves into believing they are playing for a title

They aren't in "Win now mode" while you all act like Melo + Porzingis and whatever else garbage you assemble around them has a chance of beating the Cavs.


You're in "win now" mode and have the same basic success as them, but without the bright future to look forward to. The Knicks are delaying the inevitable rebuild, it would be better to do it now than later, especially with those young teams like the Bucks & Sixers stacking talent who are the same age or younger than Kristaps. In 3 years it's gonna be Kristaps + Jeff Teague and shyt vs Giannis / Jabari / Middleton or Embiid, Simmons, Fultz & Tatum

Philly got a bright future?

 

[Malta]

@Malta

I watch bad basketball also. I don't watch bad basketball where the behind the scenes the executives are intentionally trying to sabotage a team.

I watched every nightmarish game 2 seasons ago. I enjoyed watching them play as hard as they could.

Malta, you have to admit something... we don't watch the tv shows that have uninspired narratives. We are glued to the screen when there is drama, semblance of hope, and ability to imagine the impossible.

I look at basketball like that, also. I've thought about it:

I think about Cavs fans who finally got their chip. It seems that that shyt wore off as soon as the next season started, ready for the push again. It was bugged out to actually see that because, as a Knick fan, I imagine peace in the world after a Knicks chip.


So, I've started to realize that all a fan wants is winning seasons, playoff intensity, and a bunch of games that come down to their favorite player making the game winning shot, debating against trolls, seeing the faces of haters when your team wins a game and seeing some great highlights.

That's really why we pay. Again, I want a chip, but I want to enjoy more games, too.

I see the difference in stance, though. I just find it interesting that many teams intentionally tanked and got Okafor, the Knicks played hard but were garbage(much like the Nets this year) and got Porzingis.

I actually like having a polarizing figure like Melo that I can argue in support of and root for him to do well as well as go nuts when Rose gets traded to our team and plays more games than Mike Conley. And I also love seeing our future grow with Porzingis.

Maybe, I've just been traumatized, but breh... I'm enjoying this shyt...even when I'm being tortured. As long as everyone from my coach and my players are out there trying to win tonight.









^This shyt sounded like the end of movie monologue of a character in an MSG made for TV movie about the Knicks. I'm so fukking lame.

I respect where you and Knick fans are coming from, but don't let the desperation of wanting to see a winning team get in the way of building for the future because what the Knicks are doing will lead to wasted years of Kristaps career. The Cavs won that title because they were awful and stacking assets, they were actually improving when they won the 2014 draft, but they were pairing their young players up and building a core and while it seems like they don't care, there's no pressure on them this year to repeat.


I don't watch TV and basketball the same way, I enjoy watching great teams and bad ones because I like seeing players develop and learn to win. A lot of people on here keep saying that Melo has helped Kristaps develop, the dude was a top 5 pick and looks like a generational talent, he would be developing just about anywhere. You'd be enjoying watching Kristaps and __Young PG____ learn to play together too, envisioning what they could be in the a year or two, like what are you looking forward to when Melo is 34, and Noah still has 2 years left on his deal?

 

[Malta]

Philly got a bright future?

Uh, yeah very bright.

Ben Simmons, Embiid, they get the Lakers pick this summer if it's outside the top 3, and they have their own pick as well.

Their only question is the health of Embiid, he's a generational talent when he's on the court.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Uh, yeah very bright.

Ben Simmons, Embiid, they get the Lakers pick this summer if it's outside the top 3, and they have their own pick as well.

Their only question is the health of Embiid, he's a generational talent when he's on the court.

nobody knows what simmons is gonna do in the NBA, and embidd will get injured again and it will be all downhill for him, I could be wrong but I don't have high hopes for him at all...even so, nobody wants to play for philly, they are a shyt city with a losing culture ever since the end of the iverson era. Their future is far from bright.

 

[Malta]

nobody knows what simmons is gonna do in the NBA, and embidd will get injured again and it will be all downhill for him, I could be wrong but I don't have high hopes for him at all...even so, nobody wants to play for philly, they are a shyt city with a losing culture ever since the end of the iverson era. Their future is far from bright.

Simmons will be a playmaking forward, nobody knows what his ceiling is but they already have their franchise player in Embiid. They will most likely get two draft picks this summer, they could have the 1st and 5th pick in this draft, even without the first pick they're walking away with a player that fits their team (Smith or Monk).

Why are you talking about who wants to play for them? Again, the new CBA makes player movement from stars a lot less likely, trying to get a star in FA this summer will be pointless.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Philly has a bright future, yet 2 out of their 3 bigs that they have drafted are on the trading block

And just because you draft very good young talent together, that doesn't mean they stay together. We saw what happened to the Thunder & the JJJ Mavs

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

lol @ making fun of Philly. At the end of the day they did what they had to do. Regardless how many picks they wasted they got the franchise piece and likely the secondary piece needed to content in the future.

What are the Knicks doing? They don't even have their secondary piece. They are literally building a treadmill team alongside one of the brightest prospects they've ever had.

 

[Malta]

Philly has a bright future, yet 2 out of their 3 bigs that they have drafted are on the trading block

And just because you draft very good young talent together, that doesn't mean they stay together. We saw what happened to the Thunder & the JJJ Mavs

You mean they have trade assets?

For the last time, the new CBA was made with keeping core teams together, what happened to the Thunder was a major point for how this CBA was structured.

The new CBA will have four designated player exceptions -- two for players still on their rookie deals, and two new ones for veterans. They will work as before: a team can now give up to four players on its roster a new six-year contract -- a five-year max extension added to the final year of their existing deals.

You're in for a rude awakening in the summer free agency