My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[storyteller]

Frank is 1 or 2 inches taller than Monk and close to an 8 inch advantage in wingspan. Monk is a likely undersize SG; Frank will be one of the tallest and probably the longest PG in the NBA. Of course it ain't that simple, but Frank's value is that he's got swing guard size but at 18 he has the foundations of a real PG. I haven't seen as much of him to overhype him but the heads I typically agree with most on prospects at Realgm are unanimously saying that they'd take him over Monk. They're hype on him and a couple even like him more than Fox...though I REALLY like Fox and wish he'd fall to us. I prefer Frank or Smith Jr. to Monk of guys likely to be available.

 

[KOBE]

I'm trying to be objective...

Are we saying the Spurs tanked because it's just something popular to say or is it something you can actually point to?

That same year that they went 20-62, the summer before the season they signed Dominique Willing to try to catch light in a bottle...he avg 18 ppg.

They also went 3-15 and instead of continuing with the coach that had success before, theg subsequently fired the head coach because of the performance and hired Popovich that same year. That doesn't sound like a ploy to tank, it sounds like they were completely appalled by the coach's performance.

Not only that, apparently Robinson suited up mid way into the season and played 6 games before breaking his foot in the season and had to get a screw in his foot. Source: Spurs' Robinson Breaks His Foot

Sean Elliot, Wilkins, Avery Johnson and Del Negro all played at least 30 minutes that season. Source: 1996-97 San Antonio Spurs Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

When comparing the 2017 Knicks record and the 97 Spurs record:

In their last 20 games of these comparative seasons, the Knicks won 6 games and the Spurs won 6 games.

One teams fans chews out everyone from coli brehs to management and the other team is praised as a champion of tanking in a draft class with Duncan, Billups, Tmac and the rest duds where draft position meant even more in that 97 draft than in a 2017 draft that's loaded.

Stop it, Breh.

Spurs were not tanking. And if they were, they were doing a bad job considering the above mentioned facts.

You gotta keep in mind that tanking itself has evolved since those years. No one was tanking the way they are now, with teams flat out not even playing role players in order to lose games come end of the season. That said, I was a kid during that year and don't have much to go off of except from what others have told me and most agree that when Robinson went down they went into tank mode in order to acquire Duncan.

Also you guys got the biggest fanbase on here. Y'all ain't gonna disagree on a lot of shyt, Laker fans been infighting too, it's just how shyt goes when you're shytty.

 

[Malta]

Calling him a shooter is a bit hyperbole don't you think?

He doesn't have enough handle. His hall handling doesn't impress me that much he has a loose handle and struggled against ball pressure.

I'm worried he'll be a Mudiay/Exum.

The best thing about this kid is his length and age, he can be an impact defender right away but he is very raw. He's a project, if he had better burst and explosion I wouldn't be as hesitant but he's not particularly fast he just has long strides. Maybe time in the gym will help him reach his athletic potential I don't know.

The ACL tear hurt Exum more than anything else, he didn't start getting his burst back until late in the season, he still has elite quickness. His issue has been strength more so than his handle, he gets to the rim but he's weak and can't finish yet.

Frank is a much better shooter than Exum was at the same age, I wouldn't worry too much about his handle though, that can be improved. It may never be elite, but if he can get stronger and improve his burst.

 

[DPresidential]

theres zero chance it happens.
ainge aint doing deals unless he's doing the fleecing bruh

Agreed.

 

[Liquid]

This would be an absolute yes from me.

I don't see the Celtics doing that, even though it would still allow them to both still be in the competitive conversations they want and still have a piece for the future...

But, there is no one that would be bidding against them, they'd probably be able to get Melo for much less.

Nice dream, but it is not happening.

 

[Wargames]

Calling him a shooter is a bit hyperbole don't you think?

Looks like the making of a shooter to me and this is against grown men at 18

 

[onelastdeath]

Gotta take Frank if he's there imo

 

[ISO]

Looks like the making of a shooter to me and this is against grown men at 18

Im aware he shot well in France, it's also a shorter line and nowhere near NBA level defenses even if it's grown men.

My issues are more mechanical, slow release, weak pull-up, inconsistent follow through, rotation, on ball, keeping body square. To call him a shooter is a stretch. NBA is a different animal. But I guess he's 18 and these are things that can be fixed.

 

[ISO]

Oh man the boos when we pick Ntikilina over Monk

Knicklikina

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

I hope Ntikilina is not another Dante Exum. People are too caught up on his size for a PG.

 

[Wargames]

I hope Ntikilina is not another Dante Exum. People are too caught up on his size for a PG.

I actually think he is a SG with above average handle. Which is exactly what the triangle needs.

Not that I am supportive of drafting for the Triangle...... but we all know Phil is gonna draft for the triangle.

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

I hate the feeling I get when I hear the word Triangle.

 

[Carolina Slim]

I actually think he is a SG with above average handle. Which is exactly what the triangle needs.

Not that I am supportive of drafting for the Triangle...... but we all know Phil is gonna draft for the triangle.

That's what kills me... We'll be right back where we started when Phil leaves in two years, because of this blind devotion to this offense. How much easier would it be to say, "you know what, I ain't even gonna be here in two years, so let's just get the talented players for down the road, where you can plug them in any type of modern offense" It's like this team is a glorified final thesis for him.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

I hope Ntikilina is not another Dante Exum. People are too caught up on his size for a PG.

Id rather draft him than an undersized chucker in Monk.

 

[Derek Lee]

That's what kills me... We'll be right back where we started when Phil leaves in two years, because of this blind devotion to this offense. How much easier would it be to say, "you know what, I ain't even gonna be here in two years, so let's just get the talented players for down the road, where you can plug them in any type of modern offense" It's like this team is a glorified final thesis for him.

Ntilikina fits the mold of what type of guard you would want in a modern NBA defense and offense, not just strictly a triangle point guard.