My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[DPresidential]

You don't get it. If the Knicks win some games next year in a rebuild that means Porzingis has taken the leap and I'm fine with that.

Winning meaningless games this year with veterans who aren't gonna be anywhere near this team when we're good again is a different story

But breh, brehs were getting on Ndour when he got a winning shot. He's not a veteran.

 

[Frump]

But breh, brehs were getting on Ndour when he got a winning shot. He's not a veteran.

You know what I mean. Veteran young scrub basically anyone who isn't part of the future

 

[DPresidential]

You know what I mean. Veteran young scrub basically anyone who isn't part of the future

I actually didn't know you meant them to but I understand.

 

[Kitsch]

Guys, it's going to be alright.

 

[Carolina Slim]

Guys, it's going to be alright.

Is it? I don't see any chance for things getting better until Phil is GONE.... This dude was supposed to come in and change the culture, and somehow made us more of a laughingstock than we were before. He thought he could come in like Pat Riley, thrown down his rings and have free agents fall over themselves to come to NY. It don't work like that. Pat has always had a plan, a mission. Phil is stuck with an archaic offense that nobody wants to play in, and is using that archaic offense to determine what players he wants to draft. Now a reasonable person could look and say, well look, since you ain't gonna be here in two years, what say we forget this whole triangle thing and just get good players? Because that's what will happen, the next team President or whoever is more than likely not gonna be some blind triangle devotee like Phil. Of course, at that point, we gotta worry about who Dolan will hire...We need Oak to take out a hit on Phil and Dolan, just like John Gotti did when he made sure that Paul Castellano was murked, because he was getting in the way of everybody eating.

 

[K-Deini]

Some of y'all are just dense and hard headed with this shyt. Stop looking at next year, and look at it for the next 5 or so years. Doing what we have been doing HAS NOT WORKED. God damn - I don't know how much more evidence you need then the last 15 years.

Do you think kp would be happier to win the 31 games this year or to win 25 and get fultz or ball, or shyt even a Jackson or fox? Bringing up teams who have drafted a gem in the late rounds doesn't mean it's going to happen for every team drafting later on, hence them being surprise picks. We literally just saw what happened when signing over the hill players and it was a colossal failure, and you want to double down on That?

 

[23Barrettcity]

Some of y'all are just dense and hard headed with this shyt. Stop looking at next year, and look at it for the next 5 or so years. Doing what we have been doing HAS NOT WORKED. God damn - I don't know how much more evidence you need then the last 15 years.

Do you think kp would be happier to win the 31 games this year or to win 25 and get fultz or ball, or shyt even a Jackson or fox? Bringing up teams who have drafted a gem in the late rounds doesn't mean it's going to happen for every team drafting later on, hence them being surprise picks. We literally just saw what happened when signing over the hill players and it was a colossal failure, and you want to double down on That?

What are yiu talking about

 

[Derek Lee]

audioBoom / Locked on Knicks
Breakdown of the top 10 picks in this years draft

 

[ogc163]

I number the steps but they really aren't in chronological order.

Step 1: Make Phil Jackson shut the fukk up about any player on or off the knicks team. To be transparent as possible with the key players on the roster and stop speaking like he's the fukking riddler.

Step 2: Once he's duct taped his a$$hole so his only words come from his mouth, Phil should be in a slightly better position to speak to Carmelo Anthony about the him not being a part of the future and we are dedicated to helping him b sent where he can salvage his remaining career as well as help us with our current rebuild.

Step 3: Once we've found trade partner(s) to move Melo, schedule a presser where Phil, with Dolan and KP present, is informing fans that there have been attempts at championship rosters that haven't come into fruition and there is a serious appreciation for the loyalty of the fan base. Further state that transparency with our fans is important and even though it may seem disappointing, we are committed to a full rebuild of the structure of the team. What the fans also need to know is that such a change in trajectory does not mean the organization will be promoting a losing culture. The team will be built from the ground up with two key terms - KP & YOUTH. What this means is, the road will be rocky but fans, players and organization will be on the same page that intentionally sabotaging the roster to maximize losses may satisfy roster rebuild but wouldn't be in line with trying to establish a winning culture.

Young guys who play hard and competitive and show themselves to be difference makers will get rewarded with more play time in our rebuilding seasons. We tell the fans we don't expect to be in the playoffs for the next two years but that doesn't mean we don't expect our players and coaches to go out there every game and try to get that W. Competitive spirit will be part of the culture moving forward.

Step 4: Place O'Quinn, Lee, and anyone not under 22 years old on the trading block specifically with the purpose of pick and youth acquisition.

Step 5: Do not pick up Derrick Rose's agent's phone calls.

Step 6: Scrap the triangle and give Hornacek the actual full on court control and an extension to ensure him we understand wins will be hard to come by but the end game is the goal.

Step 7: Pick the BPA available and trust our scouts.

Step 8: Make sure we do everything possible to get KP's face on every billboard in NY.

Step 9 : and beyond: Encourage fans to continue watching, encourage competitiveness in our youth, and don't punish the coaches for winning games.

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This is what I, an anti-tanker, wants. The tank way would absolutely have better odds at securing no. 1 picks but I'm content in the slight but impactful variation of encouraging the young roster to play hard and believing their hard play will equal rewards both short and long term.

So correct me if I'm wrong, you want to see a situation that is similar to what the Miami Heat engaged in this season?

Where do you feel the Knicks will be getting these young players/rebuilding pieces? Lottery, mid 1st round, 2nd round, free agency?

And agajn I am very curious as to the thoughts of the other anti-tankers.

 

[Wargames]

 

[puggle]

At 11 seconds the dude chewing gum is the Knicks Euro Scout Kevin Wilson. Same dude who found KP, Willy, and has led their scouting on Ntilkina. So if you hear rumors we like Luka next year we've been scouting him since this year

That guy deserves to get kudos, he's probably the one of the few guys in the whole front office/coaching staff who's done something positive while he's been here. If he believes in Frank, I'll take him up on it.

 

[DPresidential]

So correct me if I'm wrong, you want to see a situation that is similar to what the Miami Heat engaged in this season?

Where do you feel the Knicks will be getting these young players/rebuilding pieces? Lottery, mid 1st round, 2nd round, free agency?

And agajn I am very curious as to the thoughts of the other anti-tankers.

No, no at all.

Miami has a veteran Dragic and just signed a big deal to a 27 year old Hassan Whiteside.

I did not indicate having a solid veteran point guard running the point who has just been signed to a long term deal.

If it wasn't for Bosh's tragic situation, the Heat would have been playoff bound. They are not in a rebuild period.

I, an anti tanker, specifically mentioned rebuild and trading anyone over 22 years old. My thing is, reward the youth for being competitive and be transparent with fans that management is not trying to "put the worst product" on the court on some sabotage for lottery balls so when they pay for games no they know everyone in organization is committed to development of youth and a winning culture.

I'm sure you disagree with my strategy. That's cool because I want trying to persuade you; my issue is stop acting like an anti tanker Knick fan is an idiot who wants us to trade Porzingis for veterans and hates the word rebuild.

 

[KOBE]

When is the last time the spurs tanked? The warriors core of superstars is a mid-1st rounder, a late first rounder, and a second rounder. You dont need to tank to build something meaningful. Just good scouting, sound decision making, and establishing a stable culture.

I feel like the draft-express fetishizers prioritize masturbating over high end prospects every year than caring about winning.

Spurs tanked to get Duncan, Warriors tanked to get Barnes. Awful examples.

I know what you're getting at, but you didn't use good examples at all as 1) Kings never tanked. They're literally retarded, literally, and just never drafted well nor committed to anything outside of having Cousins. Wolves started tanking late, but tried rebuilding with Love and just never got to the playoffs although they were close. Again not tanking, just failing at what they were trying to achieve(which was the playoffs).

I do agree that tanking forever is bad all around though, creates a toxic environment for growth(as you mentioned) and there ain't no guarantee of getting that megastar you're looking for in the draft unless you land those first overall picks(as happy as I am that lakers keep getting 2nd overall, one first overall pick in the last 3 years would have been better than getting 3 2nd overalls.

 

[DPresidential]

Spurs tanked to get Duncan, Warriors tanked to get Barnes. Awful examples.

I know what you're getting at, but you didn't use good examples at all as 1) Kings never tanked. They're literally retarded, literally, and just never drafted well nor committed to anything outside of having Cousins. Wolves started tanking late, but tried rebuilding with Love and just never got to the playoffs although they were close. Again not tanking, just failing at what they were trying to achieve(which was the playoffs).

I do agree that tanking forever is bad all around though, creates a toxic environment for growth(as you mentioned) and there ain't no guarantee of getting that megastar you're looking for in the draft unless you land those first overall picks(as happy as I am that lakers keep getting 2nd overall, one first overall pick in the last 3 years would have been better than getting 3 2nd overalls.

I'm trying to be objective...

Are we saying the Spurs tanked because it's just something popular to say or is it something you can actually point to?

That same year that they went 20-62, the summer before the season they signed Dominique Willing to try to catch light in a bottle...he avg 18 ppg.

They also went 3-15 and instead of continuing with the coach that had success before, theg subsequently fired the head coach because of the performance and hired Popovich that same year. That doesn't sound like a ploy to tank, it sounds like they were completely appalled by the coach's performance.

Not only that, apparently Robinson suited up mid way into the season and played 6 games before breaking his foot in the season and had to get a screw in his foot. Source: Spurs' Robinson Breaks His Foot

Sean Elliot, Wilkins, Avery Johnson and Del Negro all played at least 30 minutes that season. Source: 1996-97 San Antonio Spurs Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

When comparing the 2017 Knicks record and the 97 Spurs record:

In their last 20 games of these comparative seasons, the Knicks won 6 games and the Spurs won 6 games.

One teams fans chews out everyone from coli brehs to management and the other team is praised as a champion of tanking in a draft class with Duncan, Billups, Tmac and the rest duds where draft position meant even more in that 97 draft than in a 2017 draft that's loaded.

Stop it, Breh.

Spurs were not tanking. And if they were, they were doing a bad job considering the above mentioned facts.

 

[storyteller]

Ehh...



I've bought into that talking point since @Malta and I think @Frump also gave a compelling argument about it - that the CBA will make staying with the drafting team too lucrative for first time star free agents to leave for greener pastures.

I'm still weary that the absolute dumpster fire circus that exists with this organization might be the first to have those player's turn down 20 more million do get far away from this toxic environment.

If I were a betting man...I'd say that the first organization to have a legend arrested on the court that the legend previously played on might be the first to have a young player like KP leave. Lol

Fam, I'd love to find some betting men to put money on KP not resigning with the Knicks. We have two more years where he can't go anywhere and he'd have to take a 8 million dollar qualifying offer to be a UFA THREE YEARS from now. We're talking about dude being under contract longer than Phil's contract lasts if he never gets fired, talkin' KP can't go anywhere until Joakim Noah's albatross expires and talking under contract long enough for 3 more first round picks. If we're bad enough that he's unhappy 2 years from now, that means we'll be looking at a team with four recent lottery picks (KP included) and if that's the case then Janis' demand that the Knicks build a team that KP can grow with is pretty much guaranteed to be covered. This is just another example of the NY sports beat being on some misleading, drama queen nonsense.