My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[DPresidential]

The CBA is designed so that your draft picks are most likely sticking around for at least 5 years...KP ain't goin' anywhere and there's plenty of time to build around him before we sweat him walking. Even his brother clarified that KP isn't expecting an instant contender, just a team he can grow with.

Ehh...



I've bought into that talking point since @Malta and I think @Frump also gave a compelling argument about it - that the CBA will make staying with the drafting team too lucrative for first time star free agents to leave for greener pastures.

I'm still weary that the absolute dumpster fire circus that exists with this organization might be the first to have those player's turn down 20 more million do get far away from this toxic environment.

If I were a betting man...I'd say that the first organization to have a legend arrested on the court that the legend previously played on might be the first to have a young player like KP leave. Lol

You can't assume he wouldn't leave money on the table though

Some players do value happiness and winning

What's funny is the argument that taking these things into consideration is considered not even understanding elementary shyt and a justification for people to be condescending.

Rep to @No_bammer_weed for the his points.

Dysfunction and blatant un-competitiveness can break the backs of many, regardless of dollar signs.

I've had colleagues quit lucrative firm jobs because the money, which placed them in the upper class bracket, did not justify the stress.

Granted, it wasn't dozens of millions but a young kid from Latvia, just like a young kid from Brownsville, can actually realize since he's making millions already, he'd rather be in a functional organization instead of a cesspool where he deals with pressures and executives who smile in your face and grind you up later.

And again, I do understand the points made by every rationale person with their arguments.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Dudes giving impassioned rants about KP leaving, when the CBA effectively kills the chances of that happening. I mean unless KP meets a fly ass billionaire broad between now and the time his K is up, its just not happening. This is why folks end up being condescending throughout the season thread because elementary shyt is overlooked.

Not a whole lot of "passion" in saddling KP with a tank agenda for at least the few years. Just aimless, passion free basketball. Im sure he would probably sign for the money and stay physically if we were tanking for the foreseeable future, but would he be here mentally?

Question: Wouldnt it make more sense to trade KP for picks?

This way the knick tank fetish squad has their dreams fulfilled, and gets to lose 70 games for the next five years and pray for ping pong balls, while KP gets to play meaningful basketball and grow with a team that is actually trying to win sometime soon. I dont think the internet, knick tank community and KP are on the same page based on how frustrated he is currently.

Because teams like the Celtics and maybe Sixers are gonna be loaded for the next decade

KP is our one big piece Willys cool but probably a bench player on a good team and who knows what the 8th pick will be. That's not enough to contend for the future we need a lot more

Doesnt seem wise to panic and make moves based solely on far-fetched, fantasy projections of other teams. For instance some see the next 1990s Bulls in the Sixers, but I see potential damaged goods in Embid; Simmons who had to miss his whole rookie year and could be lord knows what in the league, and they are poised to draft a tweener who cant shoot a lick in Jackson. What they absolutely have now is a losing culture thats over a half a decade deep tho.

Im not obsessed with envy when it comes to other squads. Just concerned with what we gotta do.

 

[ogc163]

You can't assume he wouldn't leave money on the table though

Some players do value happiness and winning

Yes, yes we can safely assume he won't leave money on the table. Given the disparity in the amount of money, he would potentially get somewhere else and what he would get from the Knicks.

 

[Frump]

Not a whole lot
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Doesnt seem wise to panic and make moves based solely on far-fetched, fantasy projections of other teams. For instance some see the next 1990s Bulls in the Sixers, but I see potential damaged goods in Embid; Simmons who had to miss his whole rookie year and could be lord knows what in the league, and they are poised to draft a tweener who cant shoot a lick in Jackson. What they absolutely have now is a losing culture thats over a half a decade deep tho.

Im not obsessed with envy when it comes to other squads. Just concerned with what we gotta do.

Ok forget what other teams have what we have is not close to good enough going forward

 

[ISO]

Why no it's impossible he won't leave

That is until he actually leaves

Bu bu but the CBA, all y'all nikkas Larry c00n now huh?

Bu bu but money

 

[ogc163]

Not a whole lot of "passion" in saddling KP with a tank agenda for at least the few years. Just aimless, passion free basketball. Im sure he would probably sign for the money and stay physically if we were tanking for the foreseeable future, but would he be here mentally?

Yeah, I have no reason to believe he would mentally check out if the team was losing/tanking.



Question: Wouldnt it make more sense to trade KP for picks?

This way the knick tank fetish squad has their dreams fulfilled, and gets to lose 70 games for the next five years and pray for ping pong balls, while KP gets to play meaningful basketball and grow with a team that is actually trying to win sometime soon. I dont think the internet, knick tank community and KP are on the same page based on how frustrated he is currently.

I don't know the level of frustration because he has not said anything in interviews himself, people are just going off on articles about his supposed frustration.

Cats on here have a tendency to engage in hyperbole in regards to the tanking method when several explanations have been provided throughout this thread. Some explanations have been long winded and multi-layered while others have been short and concise. Either form of explanation seemingly does not satisfy a certain sect of fans.

So since the tank crowd has explained there stance often in this thread, I have a question for you and other members of the anti-tank crowd. Within the next 3 years what moves/philosophy do you think would benefit the Knicks the best?



Doesnt seem wise to panic and make moves based solely on far-fetched, fantasy projections of other teams. For instance some see the next 1990s Bulls in the Sixers, but I see potential damaged goods in Embid; Simmons who had to miss his whole rookie year and could be lord knows what in the league, and they are poised to draft a tweener who cant shoot a lick in Jackson. What they absolutely have now is a losing culture thats over a half a decade deep tho.

Im not obsessed with envy when it comes to other squads. Just concerned with what we gotta do.

 

[DPresidential]

Nobodies putting a number on losses were simply saying go young and get rid of veterans who won't be around when we're any good again.

This constant let's do whatever it takes to get an 8th seed type moves we've made for the past 15 years has gotten us nowhere.

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Breh, I've had issues with your points before but we've gone back and forth and made our points but these two sentences are a serious misrepresentation of what has gone on in this thread.

There has absolutely been numbers being put on losses. To be for the rebuild and when the players on the court randomly click and win a game here and there, brehs were calling for the heads of Hornacek and the player, himself. They were outraged because the people on the court had the audacity to win a game and they were even more inflammatory against anyone who decided to say fukk it and enjoy the entertainment of it all.

The second statement shows me why there has been such a condescending tone towards anyone who has been considered anti-tank or hesitant about tanking. Do yall really think anyone significant portion of Knicks fans are looking for this team to blow cap space and make trades of our young guys in order to the the 8th seed type moves that we've seen for the past 15 years?


Breh, I'm anti-tank as they come, but I damn sure don't want an Antonio Mcdyess type acquisition; I absolutely am against a Stephon Marbury -esque acquisition; I absolutely abhor any Knicks transaction of gutting our youth for a superstar like the Melo trade.

Just because someone wants to be able to see a competitive team on the road to a rebuild doesn't mean we want to leverage our future on foolish wakeupnow type trade and free agency schemes.

 

[Wargames]

At 11 seconds the dude chewing gum is the Knicks Euro Scout Kevin Wilson. Same dude who found KP, Willy, and has led their scouting on Ntilkina. So if you hear rumors we like Luka next year we've been scouting him since this year

 

[Derek Lee]

Why no it's impossible he won't leave

That is until he actually leaves

Bu bu but the CBA, all y'all nikkas Larry c00n now huh?

Bu bu but money

 

[23Barrettcity]

Yes, yes we can safely assume he won't leave money on the table. Given the disparity in the amount of money, he would potentially get somewhere else and what he would get from the Knicks.

He's young man . He could potentially sign a 3 year deal and then cash out

 

[Wargames]

He's young man . He could potentially sign a 3 year deal and then cash out

That's 5 years from now..... That is when I fear if we don't have some good pieces around him he'll leave

 

[23Barrettcity]

Breh, I've had issues with your points before but we've gone back and forth and made our points but these two sentences are a serious misrepresentation of what has gone on in this thread.

There has absolutely been numbers being put on loses. To be for the rebuild and when the players on the court randomly click and win a game here and there, brehs were calling for the heads of Hornacek and the player, himself. They were outraged because the people on the court had the audacity to win a game and they were even more inflammatory against anyone who decided to say fukk it and enjoy the entertainment of it all.

The second statement shows me why there has been such a condescending tone towards anyone who has been considered anti-tank or hesitant about tanking. Do yall really think anyone significant portion of Knicks fans are looking for this team to blow cap space and make trades of our young guys in order to the the 8th seed type moves that we've seen for the past 15 years?


Breh, I'm anti-tank as they come, but I damn sure don't want an Antonio Mcdyess type acquisition; I absolutely am against a Stephon Marbury -esque acquisition; I absolutely abhor any Knicks transaction of gutting our youth for a superstar like the Melo trade.

Just because someone wants to be able to see a competitive team on the road to a rebuild doesn't mean we want to leverage our future on foolish wakeupnow type trade and free agency schemes.

Exactly!!! The way some people act the Knicks win 50 games next test they'll be furious and finally call for Phil to get fired . As a fan I want to enjoy the Knicks and theoretically winning is the most likely way plus can build a positive culture moving away from the negativity .
If we get first pick cool though more building tools

 

[Monsanto]

I was sitting on a bench and took my hat off because it was hot today. I put my hat on the bench and a bird took a deuce on it. There goes my Knicks hat.

It might be doing me a favour.

 

[DPresidential]

Cats on here have a tendency to engage in hyperbole in regards to the tanking method when several explanations have been provided throughout this thread. Some explanations have been long winded and multi-layered while others have been short and concise. Either form of explanation seemingly does not satisfy a certain sect of fans.

So since the tank crowd has explained there stance often in this thread, I have a question for you and other members of the anti-tank crowd. Within the next 3 years what moves/philosophy do you think would benefit the Knicks the best?

I number the steps but they really aren't in chronological order.

Step 1: Make Phil Jackson shut the fukk up about any player on or off the knicks team. To be transparent as possible with the key players on the roster and stop speaking like he's the fukking riddler.

Step 2: Once he's duct taped his a$$hole so his only words come from his mouth, Phil should be in a slightly better position to speak to Carmelo Anthony about the him not being a part of the future and we are dedicated to helping him b sent where he can salvage his remaining career as well as help us with our current rebuild.

Step 3: Once we've found trade partner(s) to move Melo, schedule a presser where Phil, with Dolan and KP present, is informing fans that there have been attempts at championship rosters that haven't come into fruition and there is a serious appreciation for the loyalty of the fan base. Further state that transparency with our fans is important and even though it may seem disappointing, we are committed to a full rebuild of the structure of the team. What the fans also need to know is that such a change in trajectory does not mean the organization will be promoting a losing culture. The team will be built from the ground up with two key terms - KP & YOUTH. What this means is, the road will be rocky but fans, players and organization will be on the same page that intentionally sabotaging the roster to maximize losses may satisfy roster rebuild but wouldn't be in line with trying to establish a winning culture.

Young guys who play hard and competitive and show themselves to be difference makers will get rewarded with more play time in our rebuilding seasons. We tell the fans we don't expect to be in the playoffs for the next two years but that doesn't mean we don't expect our players and coaches to go out there every game and try to get that W. Competitive spirit will be part of the culture moving forward.

Step 4: Place O'Quinn, Lee, and anyone not under 22 years old on the trading block specifically with the purpose of pick and youth acquisition.

Step 5: Do not pick up Derrick Rose's agent's phone calls.

Step 6: Scrap the triangle and give Hornacek the actual full on court control and an extension to ensure him we understand wins will be hard to come by but the end game is the goal.

Step 7: Pick the BPA available and trust our scouts.

Step 8: Make sure we do everything possible to get KP's face on every billboard in NY.

Step 9 : and beyond: Encourage fans to continue watching, encourage competitiveness in our youth, and don't punish the coaches for winning games.

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This is what I, an anti-tanker, wants. The tank way would absolutely have better odds at securing no. 1 picks but I'm content in the slight but impactful variation of encouraging the young roster to play hard and believing their hard play will equal rewards both short and long term.

 

[Frump]

Breh, I've had issues with your points before but we've gone back and forth and made our points but these two sentences are a serious misrepresentation of what has gone on in this thread.

There has absolutely been numbers being put on losses. To be for the rebuild and when the players on the court randomly click and win a game here and there, brehs were calling for the heads of Hornacek and the player, himself. They were outraged because the people on the court had the audacity to win a game and they were even more inflammatory against anyone who decided to say fukk it and enjoy the entertainment of it all.

The second statement shows me why there has been such a condescending tone towards anyone who has been considered anti-tank or hesitant about tanking. Do yall really think anyone significant portion of Knicks fans are looking for this team to blow cap space and make trades of our young guys in order to the the 8th seed type moves that we've seen for the past 15 years?


Breh, I'm anti-tank as they come, but I damn sure don't want an Antonio Mcdyess type acquisition; I absolutely am against a Stephon Marbury -esque acquisition; I absolutely abhor any Knicks transaction of gutting our youth for a superstar like the Melo trade.

Just because someone wants to be able to see a competitive team on the road to a rebuild doesn't mean we want to leverage our future on foolish wakeupnow type trade and free agency schemes.

You don't get it. If the Knicks win some games next year in a rebuild that means Porzingis has taken the leap and I'm fine with that.

Winning meaningless games this year with veterans who aren't gonna be anywhere near this team when we're good again is a different story