My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

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I kind of hope the knicks could find a way to draft Justin Jackson from NC by getting second 1st round pick. Some mocks have him going late lottery, some have him going late 1st round. He reminds me of Shane Battier. Defender, can shoot the 3, enough awareness to be able to pass to cutters and bigs in the paint. He wouldn't ideally be a starter but as somebody who could come in as a 6th man SF or a small ball 4 next to KP or Willy when they are the 5 I think he would be ideal
 
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I wonder if Phil absorbs bad contracts this offseason for future picks/young prospects
That should be the plan, I'm just scared Phil is gonna offer Jrue Holiday or Jeff Teague huge contracts with that money instead. It's hard to read Phil, who know what direction he'll take this summer.

Edit: and the Heat is a good lowkey spot for Melo, he should definitely consider them.
 

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:gucci: The team has been trash. AND melo is miserable. And Noah's deal is a fukking albatross, and we gave up the best player, and a low-tier prospect to trade for cap space -- which is now eaten by the horrible deal he signed noah to.

Separate the two. The Noah deal is bad. The trade was a 13 million dollar average Center and a low tier prospect for a big expiring contract and a quality rotation piece (and a second round pick in this deep ass draft). That's not a bad trade. As far as the team being trash...I don't think anybody disagrees. The team was trash when he took over and it was also capped out with 2 out of his first 3 1st round draft picks traded away while the second best player publicly let it be known that he wanted out. This team has had a minimum of 6 players under 25 in each of Phil's years in spite of that. They've gathered more second round picks, turned a second round pick into a quality player, drafted a franchise level prospect and have another shot at a franchise level talent in this draft because of how good the top 10 players are in this one. Dude has brought in vets that haven't worked out but been able to move all of them. Same with every veteran not named Noah on the roster right now; the majority of Knicks contracts on the books right now could probably garner some type of value in return. So from a roster loaded with albatrosses, no picks and Shumpert as the best young player on the roster to majority fair deals, picks in perpetuity and KP/Willy in place over three years isn't awful...not even calling it good here, go re-read the post...just not awful. Now back to Noah

That Noah deal is an iceberg, b. It's an anchor. It's almost 20% of the cap for a guy who can't play anymore. Good teams and GMs don't do shyt like that. Or at least have enough big wins around, that you can drown out the losses.

It's hyperbole to call that contract an iceberg. It's not sinking the ship when the team has around 20 million in cap space despite it and every other contract is movable (assuming Melo waives his clause which seems likely at this point). It's an awful deal just like a bunch of deals that were signed in the frenzy last summer, especially the deals that big men signed. Good teams don't do that, sure; good GM's don't do it, true big mistakes are rare for the better GM's. But since my only case is that Phil hasn't been completely terrible because he's maintained flexibility into the future

Again, that's not a huge complement, it's just saying "the captain hasn't steered us into an iceberg yet" which places him head and shoulders above every Knicks GM since Y2K (we've moved up from piles of crap to dirt).

With 20 million dollars in cap space, a young roster, draft picks going forward including a top ten pick this year guaranteed...that contract is an ugly piece of crap but it's not stopping the direction of the team if Phil does the smart thing and sticks to a rebuild.
 

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That should be the plan, I'm just scared Phil is gonna offer Jrue Holiday or Jeff Teague huge contracts with that money instead. It's hard to read Phil, who know what direction he'll take this summer.

Edit: and the Heat is a good lowkey spot for Melo, he should definitely consider them.

If he does that ish I'll co-sign @I.V. 100%...I think tomorrow's presser will tell us a lot.
 
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Alright I wanna run with this. Melo to the Heat, what would it take to make it work? I'd want Winslow and a pick in return, but I feel like the Knicks can only get one of the two, Knicks and Heat fans chime in, do ya'll even want this to happen:jbhmm:?
 

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Alright I wanna run with this. Melo to the Heat, what would it take to make it work? I'd want Winslow and a pick in return, but I feel like the Knicks can only get one of the two, Knicks and Heat fans chime in, do ya'll even want this to happen:jbhmm:?

I as a Heat fan don't want it to happen, but you guys should be ecstatic if y'all can get Winslow and a pick for Melo. The Heat can't trade future picks, so if they trade a pick it'll be on draft night, but a mid round pick for Melo is a steal from the Knicks perspective.

Winslow has a lot of holes, but he has the potential to be a 15-20 ppg/5apg with excellent defense. I don't know if he'll reach that ceiling, but he can certainly a versatile 3&D guy who can guard multiple positions.
 

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I as a Heat fan don't want it to happen, but you guys should be ecstatic if y'all can get Winslow and a pick for Melo. The Heat can't trade future picks, so if they trade a pick it'll be on draft night, but a mid round pick for Melo is a steal from the Knicks perspective.

Winslow has a lot of holes, but he has the potential to be a 15-20 ppg/5apg with excellent defense. I don't know if he'll reach that ceiling, but he can certainly a versatile 3&D guy who can guard multiple positions.

Why would the Heat do it though? Melo still doesn't make them anything close to a contender
 

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Why would the Heat do it though? Melo still doesn't make them anything close to a contender

Pat Riley is in his 70's and wants to compete at all costs. Sure Melo doesn't make them a contender, but he can talk himself and the fanbase into believing that Melo will be that go to scorer that the Heat desperately need.

The Heat don't have that many options to improve/stay afloat, and Melo is one of the few options. Not too mention there isn't a dominant team in the East, so that may give Riley extra incentive to go after a perceived star in Melo. If Melo is down to go to Miami, this idea of a trade has legs and Riley surely would be interested.
 

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Well the good thing is that there will not be anymore Melo videos this summer or pics of him working out saying he is in the best shape of his life and that he is going to have a great season. I hope he goes to Utah, Portland or Brooklyn to pollute their teams.
 
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