My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[Frump]

Melo gone

 

[Shogun]

The only way I will accept Rose back on this team is for a 1 or 2 year max contract with the 2nd being team option. If we over pay for this bum like we did his buddy Noah, I'm gonna be upset.

If Melo really wants to go to the Clips, we should take back a player like Reddikk who we can flip for a 1st rounder and future 1st round picks, I'm talking 2019 and 2020 picks, by that time the Clips we'll be a lottery team again.

Him and Noah should agree to split Noah's contract

 

[KnickstapeCity]

:philjacksonlol::philjacksonlol: I never criticized Carmelo.




:philjacksonlol::philjacksonlol:Holding the ball is not criticism. It's what he does. It's pure fact.




:philjacksonlol::philjacksonlol: I love this nikka Phil, man.




:philjacksonlol::philjacksonlol: No fukks given.

 

[Illuminatos]

Phil putting his foot on this nikka's neck. I love it.

 

[23Barrettcity]

People who are still on that Rosen is taking through Phil narrative are idiots

Rosen ripped Phil twice in the last article. One for lowering Melos value by ripping him and then outright blaming him for the teams struggles and how it was built

You think Phil is ripping himself

Do you agree with the articles though

 

[23Barrettcity]

Well the good thing is that there will not be anymore Melo videos this summer or pics of him working out saying he is in the best shape of his life and that he is going to have a great season. I hope he goes to Utah, Portland or Brooklyn to pollute their teams.

Hiw the hell did melo pollute the team ??

 

[tremonthustler1]

Just left that presser. I'm depressed for y'all.

 

[Illuminatos]

Hiw the hell did melo pollute the team ??

By not playing defense, holding the ball, not playing within the system?

 

[23Barrettcity]

By not playing defense, holding the ball, not playing within the system?

The system the coach didn't run? and Phil bashing melo when the team was doing good and causing a distraction isn't polluting the team ? Melo being melo though that polluted it ?

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Sources have leaked a video of @Mr. Jack Napier reaction to the Phil press conference

 

[Francis White]

Hiw the hell did melo pollute the team ??

No defense , never could win close games. ISO ball bum.

 

[Illuminatos]

The system the coach didn't run? and Phil bashing melo when the team was doing good and causing a distraction isn't polluting the team ? Melo being melo though that polluted it ?

Ya'll still blaming Phil for why the team turned to shyt? How would bashing Melo make the entire team turn to shyt?

Better yet didn't Melo start playing better after the Rosen article criticizing him came out? Why would he play worse after Phil bashed him but played his best ball of the season after Rosen bashed him?

 

[Frump]

Do you agree with the articles though

Some points. The buck does stop with Phil

And in all seriousness getting rid of Melo was the only positive I take from the interview

Him stopping practice and undermining Horny is awful

What I got is he's a coach at heart still but won't coach this team becAuse it stinks and he wants no part of being an exec but he's taking the money

 

[I.V.]

Separate the two. The Noah deal is bad. The trade was a 13 million dollar average Center and a low tier prospect for a big expiring contract and a quality rotation piece (and a second round pick in this deep ass draft). That's not a bad trade.


You can't separate these things, because he did all of them. If he wanted cap space, he could have let Melo walk. We gave up the best player on a good deal, and we're gonna walk away with a second round pick. That's not a good trade. We have to take his work as a whole, and it has been poor. That doesn't negate the few bright points, it just means there are more botches.




The team was trash when he took over and it was also capped out with 2 out of his first 3 1st round draft picks traded away while the second best player publicly let it be known that he wanted out. This team has had a minimum of 6 players under 25 in each of Phil's years in spite of that. They've gathered more second round picks, turned a second round pick into a quality player, drafted a franchise level prospect and have another shot at a franchise level talent in this draft because of how good the top 10 players are in this one.

The top 10 players in this draft are not all franchise level prospects. And we often generously forget how bad his 2014 2nd rounders turned out to be. Also his handling of the chandler trade was horrific, with inferior big men getting first rounders, about two months later.


Dude has brought in vets that haven't worked out but been able to move all of them. Same with every veteran not named Noah on the roster right now; the majority of Knicks contracts on the books right now could probably garner some type of value in return. So from a roster loaded with albatrosses, no picks and Shumpert as the best young player on the roster to majority fair deals, picks in perpetuity and KP/Willy in place over three years isn't awful...not even calling it good here, go re-read the post...just not awful.

"not awful" isn't good enough.



It's hyperbole to call that contract an iceberg. It's not sinking the ship when the team has around 20 million in cap space despite it and every other contract is movable (assuming Melo waives his clause which seems likely at this point). It's an awful deal just like a bunch of deals that were signed in the frenzy last summer, especially the deals that big men signed. Good teams don't do that, sure; good GM's don't do it, true big mistakes are rare for the better GM's. But since my only case is that Phil hasn't been completely terrible because he's maintained flexibility into the future

But he did NOT maintain that flexibility. The cap going up an astronomical amount gave him that flexibility. If they just kept Lopez, and didn't sign Noah, they'd have MORE flexibility, not less. Plus a better, younger player.


With 20 million dollars in cap space, a young roster, draft picks going forward including a top ten pick this year guaranteed...that contract is an ugly piece of crap but it's not stopping the direction of the team if Phil does the smart thing and sticks to a rebuild.

No, it's not "stopping" the rebuild. But it shouldn't be there. The team stinks either way, I'd rather not have 18 million per owed to a guy who can't play anymore. And while the team is kind of young, it's not that talented. Of the young guys, there are two starter level players. Being a bad team, with two starter level players, and your picks, is not great. It's bad.

We only think it is a step-up because of how awful the knicks have been at managing their roster.

If he does that ish I'll co-sign @I.V. 100%...I think tomorrow's presser will tell us a lot.

I don't want any part of that co-sign. I don't want him to do that. Please don't put that voodoo on me.

People who are still on that Rosen is taking through Phil narrative are idiots

Rosen ripped Phil twice in the last article. One for lowering Melos value by ripping him and then outright blaming him for the teams struggles and how it was built

You think Phil is ripping himself

This happens all the time with writers, they get cozy to a source, they do some favors, they get called out, they bite the hand that feeds to prove their independence.

Unless Rose is signing for a dollar and a Arizona Ice tea, dont bring him back

Wouldn't even want him then. He is of no use to this team.


Yo btw, twitter seems to think frank is some kind of bad pick. But I like him.

 

[Liquid]

Lots of blame to go around guys. Our best bet in getting anything decent in return for Melo is for the Jazz to destroy the Clippers in the first round and Ballmer blow that team up.

Jazz in 5