I'm wrong, because I have a different opinion. Yeah okay, n*gga, f*ck out of here. You got all the answers, yet you just a fan typing on a message board just like the rest of us. Get off your high horse, you self entitled prick.
My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread
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I'm wrong, because I have a different opinion. Yeah okay, n*gga, f*ck out of here. You got all the answers, yet you just a fan typing on a message board just like the rest of us. Get off your high horse, you self entitled prick.
You offer nothing on how the Knicks should go about building a contending team, you're just against tanking and never say what they should do as a counterpoint.
Everyone knows tanking isn't a certainty, but it's better than what the Knicks have tried since they gutted the team to get Melo.
5 STATISTICS THAT HAVE DEFINED NEW YORK KNICKS' 2016-17 NBA SEASON
Kelly ScalettaFeatured ColumnistMarch 31, 2017
Kathy Willens/Associated Press
It's official. The New York Knicks will miss the playoffs for the third straight season.
Sadly, that's just the beginning of things. Three of the four teams worse than them—the Minnesota Timberwolves, Philadelphia 76ers and Los Angeles Lakers—are better situated for the future with a young core of talent that can take them forward.
But the Knicks have just one player, Kristaps Porzingis, whom they can build around. They also have more bad contracts (Joakim Noah, Courtney Lee and Carmelo Anthony) that can get in the way of their rebuild. All of these contracts are on Jackson.
Here is a look at some of the key statistics that illustrate why the Knicks are so bad. They also provide some indication of what the Knickerbockers can address this offseason to start turning things around. I have them ranked according to urgency.
To keep things from being all negative, though, there is one positive stat to start things off.
1. Kristaps Porzingis Is a Unicorn: The 5/20/.300 Club
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Julie Jacobson/Associated Press
If you want one thing to hang your hat on, it's the fact that Porzingis is truly a unicorn.
Over his two-year career, Porzingis has a 5.0 block percentage, 24.4 usage percentage and a three-point attempt rate (the percentage of his field goals that are from deep) of .300. He is the only player in NBA history with 5/20/.300 splits.
In an age where the two most attractive qualities in a big man are rim protection and court stretching, you don't get much prettier than that.
And Porzingis is getting better, too, almost in spite of the Knicks' moves.
He improved in all five traditional box score stats this year. He also raised his field-goal percentage, three-point percentage, two-point percentage, effective field-goal percentage and true shooting percentage.
Still, a few of his advanced stats have dropped a bit. His player efficiency rating (PER) went from 17.7 to 17.4, and his win shares per 48 minutes sank from .102 to .100, per Basketball-Reference.com. This is mostly because of a drop in usage, (from 24.6 to 24.3) and rebound percentage (14.0 to 11.9).
The upshot is that while KP has improved, the Knicks have not figured out how to make him the centerpiece of their rebuild. The sooner they do that, the sooner they will be on the path back to the postseason.
2. Steals Per Game: 7.0
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Michael Reaves/Getty Images
For a while, the narrative on steals is they were "overrated" because players have to shoot passing lanes and gamble to get them. If you lose that gamble, the other team scores.
To illustrate this, I created a regression using each player's box score stats (points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals and turnovers) to predict how much teams would suffer when someone couldn't play. The results:
(He has a graphic showing the "predictive ability of box score stats" which indicates that steals are worth 9.1 points per game, blocks are worth 6.1, turnovers 5.4, assists 2.2 and rebounds 1.7).
Yes, this pretty much means a steal is "worth" as much as nine points. To put it more precisely: A marginal steal is weighted nine times more heavily when predicting a player's impact than a marginal point.
There is a logic to that. A steal not only ends an opponent's possession, it means there is a transition opportunity going the other way and a far more efficient scoring chance.
This is significant to the Knicks because they are 23rd in the NBA in steals per game with 7.0, according to NBA.com. Largely as a result of that, they are also just 29th in transition points per possession with 1.02.
Easy points are the best points, and the Knicks aren't getting enough of those. Finding a ballhawk defender this offseason should be one of their top priorities.
3. Defensive Rebound Percentage: 73.9
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Cameron Browne/Getty Images
The next issue the Knicks have is also on the defensive end. If you've watched any amount of basketball, you've probably heard someone say, "the possession doesn't end until you secure the rebound."
If that's truly the case, the Knicks have a lot of possessions that don't end. Their 73.9 defensive rebound percentage is 1.2 percentage points worse than anyone in the league.
As a result of that, not surprisingly, they're also giving up 15.0 second-chance points, which is 0.5 more than the second-worst Brooklyn Nets.
One of the reasons they brought in Joakim Noah was to help with rebounding, but that contract is starting to look like arguably the worst in the league. The 2013-14 Defensive Player of the Year is a shadow of his former self. While the Knicks' defensive rebounding percentage was a respectable 75.4 with Noah on the court, he was only able to log 1,015 minutes for them before going down with a knee injury for the season.
That doesn't look like a problem that's going away, as it's been persisting for three years now. It doesn't look like he's ever going to be the player he once was again. The Knicks should consider him sunk cost and use the stretch provision on him.
With $55.6 million and three years left on his contract, per Spotrac.com, that would come out to $7.9 million a year for seven years, but it would free up $10 million in cap space the first three years and expedite the rebuild.
Kelly ScalettaFeatured ColumnistMarch 31, 2017
Kathy Willens/Associated Press
It's official. The New York Knicks will miss the playoffs for the third straight season.
Sadly, that's just the beginning of things. Three of the four teams worse than them—the Minnesota Timberwolves, Philadelphia 76ers and Los Angeles Lakers—are better situated for the future with a young core of talent that can take them forward.
But the Knicks have just one player, Kristaps Porzingis, whom they can build around. They also have more bad contracts (Joakim Noah, Courtney Lee and Carmelo Anthony) that can get in the way of their rebuild. All of these contracts are on Jackson.
Here is a look at some of the key statistics that illustrate why the Knicks are so bad. They also provide some indication of what the Knickerbockers can address this offseason to start turning things around. I have them ranked according to urgency.
To keep things from being all negative, though, there is one positive stat to start things off.
1. Kristaps Porzingis Is a Unicorn: The 5/20/.300 Club
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Julie Jacobson/Associated Press
If you want one thing to hang your hat on, it's the fact that Porzingis is truly a unicorn.
Over his two-year career, Porzingis has a 5.0 block percentage, 24.4 usage percentage and a three-point attempt rate (the percentage of his field goals that are from deep) of .300. He is the only player in NBA history with 5/20/.300 splits.
In an age where the two most attractive qualities in a big man are rim protection and court stretching, you don't get much prettier than that.
And Porzingis is getting better, too, almost in spite of the Knicks' moves.
He improved in all five traditional box score stats this year. He also raised his field-goal percentage, three-point percentage, two-point percentage, effective field-goal percentage and true shooting percentage.
Still, a few of his advanced stats have dropped a bit. His player efficiency rating (PER) went from 17.7 to 17.4, and his win shares per 48 minutes sank from .102 to .100, per Basketball-Reference.com. This is mostly because of a drop in usage, (from 24.6 to 24.3) and rebound percentage (14.0 to 11.9).
The upshot is that while KP has improved, the Knicks have not figured out how to make him the centerpiece of their rebuild. The sooner they do that, the sooner they will be on the path back to the postseason.
2. Steals Per Game: 7.0
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Michael Reaves/Getty Images
For a while, the narrative on steals is they were "overrated" because players have to shoot passing lanes and gamble to get them. If you lose that gamble, the other team scores.
To illustrate this, I created a regression using each player's box score stats (points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals and turnovers) to predict how much teams would suffer when someone couldn't play. The results:
(He has a graphic showing the "predictive ability of box score stats" which indicates that steals are worth 9.1 points per game, blocks are worth 6.1, turnovers 5.4, assists 2.2 and rebounds 1.7).
Yes, this pretty much means a steal is "worth" as much as nine points. To put it more precisely: A marginal steal is weighted nine times more heavily when predicting a player's impact than a marginal point.
There is a logic to that. A steal not only ends an opponent's possession, it means there is a transition opportunity going the other way and a far more efficient scoring chance.
This is significant to the Knicks because they are 23rd in the NBA in steals per game with 7.0, according to NBA.com. Largely as a result of that, they are also just 29th in transition points per possession with 1.02.
Easy points are the best points, and the Knicks aren't getting enough of those. Finding a ballhawk defender this offseason should be one of their top priorities.
3. Defensive Rebound Percentage: 73.9
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Cameron Browne/Getty Images
The next issue the Knicks have is also on the defensive end. If you've watched any amount of basketball, you've probably heard someone say, "the possession doesn't end until you secure the rebound."
If that's truly the case, the Knicks have a lot of possessions that don't end. Their 73.9 defensive rebound percentage is 1.2 percentage points worse than anyone in the league.
As a result of that, not surprisingly, they're also giving up 15.0 second-chance points, which is 0.5 more than the second-worst Brooklyn Nets.
One of the reasons they brought in Joakim Noah was to help with rebounding, but that contract is starting to look like arguably the worst in the league. The 2013-14 Defensive Player of the Year is a shadow of his former self. While the Knicks' defensive rebounding percentage was a respectable 75.4 with Noah on the court, he was only able to log 1,015 minutes for them before going down with a knee injury for the season.
That doesn't look like a problem that's going away, as it's been persisting for three years now. It doesn't look like he's ever going to be the player he once was again. The Knicks should consider him sunk cost and use the stretch provision on him.
With $55.6 million and three years left on his contract, per Spotrac.com, that would come out to $7.9 million a year for seven years, but it would free up $10 million in cap space the first three years and expedite the rebuild.
4. Percentage of Points from Mid-Range: 20.8
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Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
In the modern age of basketball, the "Morey Zones" (named after Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey, who first started emphasizing them) should take priority above all else. These are the three areas of the court that are most efficient: the free-throw line, behind the three-point line and inside the restricted area.
The Knicks seem reluctant to join the trend, though, as they get 20.8 percent of their points from mid-range, which is the second highest in the NBA. They are 26th in percentage of points in the paint and 21st in percentage of points from the three-point line.
While they're sixth in field-goal percentage in mid-range shots outside the paint, it's only 42.5 percent. They're just 40.5 percent on shots outside of the restricted area but still in the paint. When you put those two things together, they are taking the fifth-most shots between the semi-circles (36.4) and shooting just 41.7 percent on them.
They are also just 26th in free throws per field-goal attempt, per Basketball-Reference.
I shouldn't have to state the obvious, but I guess I do. When you practically design your offense to be inefficient, you shouldn't be surprised that it's only tied for 18th in the league in offensive rating. In fact, you should be startled that it's that high.
5. Dribbles Per Touch: 0.715
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Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
If the Knicks are committed to running the triangle offense, they need to move the ball better.
Ball sticking is a major issue with New York; though it's not easy to measure.
At first blush, the Knicks seem to share the ball just fine. According to NBA.com, they pass 324.5 times per game, third-most in the league. The problem is their passing isn't resulting in many shots; they're just 16th in potential assists at 44.0.
Even more problematic is that they're tied for third-worst in the league in assist-to-pass percentage.
This kind of disparity is something you expect to see when there are a lot of what I call "fake passes" happening. By that, I mean the ballhandler is passing the ball with the intent of getting it back immediately once his dribble gets stopped.
The goal of that type of pass is to reset the play, not make the ball pop. The ball gets passed twice—to the ballhandler and back again—but the ball didn't actually move if it just came back to where it started. Both Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose do a lot of that. Even when they pass, they're black holes.
So how can you tell how much the ball is sticking to see if this is just confirmation bias or if there's substance to the observation?
Looking at "touch" stats provides a way. By combining "Seconds per Touch" and "Dribbles per Touch," per NBA.com, we can estimate a stat we'll call "Dribbles per Second." Since there's no appreciable difference in how long an actual dribble takes, we can conclude that the fewer dribbles there are, the more of that time is spent holding onto the ball.
The Knicks average 0.715 dribbles per second, the fewest in the league. The Lakers are second at 0.723, which is a considerable gap. The bottom line: The Knicks have players with sticky hands.
Excluding post players (who by default aren't going to dribble as much, as a large chunk of points in the post are assisted) here are the 10 stickiest hands in the NBA, based on dribbles per second:
Note that the players ranked first and ninth are also the Knicks who are first and second respectively on the Knicks in usage percentage (Anthony's is 28.9 percent, and Rose's is 25.7 percent), per Basketball-Reference.com. It's not hard to ascertain from that why the Knicks have issues. When your two most frequent ball-handlers are human Stickum, you're going to have problems.
Two things are evident from this.
The Knicks have no business re-signing Derrick Rose, and Carmelo Anthony shouldn't be part of the future. If they can work a trade for him, the Knicks need to get that done. They need to worry less about what they're getting back for him and more about the cost of keeping him. Pretty telling article
With where New York is, he's just in the way of the future. Anthony has acknowledged he needs to take a back seat for the rest of the season, telling Ian Begley of ESPN:
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is. I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."
But both Anthony and the Knicks need to make sure that's permanent ink they're writing with on the proverbial wall.
Stats courtesy of NBA.com unless otherwise noted.
Link: 5 Statistics That Have Defined New York Knicks' 2016-17 NBA Season
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Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
In the modern age of basketball, the "Morey Zones" (named after Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey, who first started emphasizing them) should take priority above all else. These are the three areas of the court that are most efficient: the free-throw line, behind the three-point line and inside the restricted area.
The Knicks seem reluctant to join the trend, though, as they get 20.8 percent of their points from mid-range, which is the second highest in the NBA. They are 26th in percentage of points in the paint and 21st in percentage of points from the three-point line.
While they're sixth in field-goal percentage in mid-range shots outside the paint, it's only 42.5 percent. They're just 40.5 percent on shots outside of the restricted area but still in the paint. When you put those two things together, they are taking the fifth-most shots between the semi-circles (36.4) and shooting just 41.7 percent on them.
They are also just 26th in free throws per field-goal attempt, per Basketball-Reference.
I shouldn't have to state the obvious, but I guess I do. When you practically design your offense to be inefficient, you shouldn't be surprised that it's only tied for 18th in the league in offensive rating. In fact, you should be startled that it's that high.
5. Dribbles Per Touch: 0.715
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Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
If the Knicks are committed to running the triangle offense, they need to move the ball better.
Ball sticking is a major issue with New York; though it's not easy to measure.
At first blush, the Knicks seem to share the ball just fine. According to NBA.com, they pass 324.5 times per game, third-most in the league. The problem is their passing isn't resulting in many shots; they're just 16th in potential assists at 44.0.
Even more problematic is that they're tied for third-worst in the league in assist-to-pass percentage.
This kind of disparity is something you expect to see when there are a lot of what I call "fake passes" happening. By that, I mean the ballhandler is passing the ball with the intent of getting it back immediately once his dribble gets stopped.
The goal of that type of pass is to reset the play, not make the ball pop. The ball gets passed twice—to the ballhandler and back again—but the ball didn't actually move if it just came back to where it started. Both Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose do a lot of that. Even when they pass, they're black holes.
So how can you tell how much the ball is sticking to see if this is just confirmation bias or if there's substance to the observation?
Looking at "touch" stats provides a way. By combining "Seconds per Touch" and "Dribbles per Touch," per NBA.com, we can estimate a stat we'll call "Dribbles per Second." Since there's no appreciable difference in how long an actual dribble takes, we can conclude that the fewer dribbles there are, the more of that time is spent holding onto the ball.
The Knicks average 0.715 dribbles per second, the fewest in the league. The Lakers are second at 0.723, which is a considerable gap. The bottom line: The Knicks have players with sticky hands.
Excluding post players (who by default aren't going to dribble as much, as a large chunk of points in the post are assisted) here are the 10 stickiest hands in the NBA, based on dribbles per second:
Note that the players ranked first and ninth are also the Knicks who are first and second respectively on the Knicks in usage percentage (Anthony's is 28.9 percent, and Rose's is 25.7 percent), per Basketball-Reference.com. It's not hard to ascertain from that why the Knicks have issues. When your two most frequent ball-handlers are human Stickum, you're going to have problems.
Two things are evident from this.
The Knicks have no business re-signing Derrick Rose, and Carmelo Anthony shouldn't be part of the future. If they can work a trade for him, the Knicks need to get that done. They need to worry less about what they're getting back for him and more about the cost of keeping him. Pretty telling article
With where New York is, he's just in the way of the future. Anthony has acknowledged he needs to take a back seat for the rest of the season, telling Ian Begley of ESPN:
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is. I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."
But both Anthony and the Knicks need to make sure that's permanent ink they're writing with on the proverbial wall.
Stats courtesy of NBA.com unless otherwise noted.
Link: 5 Statistics That Have Defined New York Knicks' 2016-17 NBA Season
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damn @I.V.4. Percentage of Points from Mid-Range: 20.8
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Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
In the modern age of basketball, the "Morey Zones" (named after Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey, who first started emphasizing them) should take priority above all else. These are the three areas of the court that are most efficient: the free-throw line, behind the three-point line and inside the restricted area.
The Knicks seem reluctant to join the trend, though, as they get 20.8 percent of their points from mid-range, which is the second highest in the NBA. They are 26th in percentage of points in the paint and 21st in percentage of points from the three-point line.
While they're sixth in field-goal percentage in mid-range shots outside the paint, it's only 42.5 percent. They're just 40.5 percent on shots outside of the restricted area but still in the paint. When you put those two things together, they are taking the fifth-most shots between the semi-circles (36.4) and shooting just 41.7 percent on them.
They are also just 26th in free throws per field-goal attempt, per Basketball-Reference.
I shouldn't have to state the obvious, but I guess I do. When you practically design your offense to be inefficient, you shouldn't be surprised that it's only tied for 18th in the league in offensive rating. In fact, you should be startled that it's that high.
5. Dribbles Per Touch: 0.715
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Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
If the Knicks are committed to running the triangle offense, they need to move the ball better.
Ball sticking is a major issue with New York; though it's not easy to measure.
At first blush, the Knicks seem to share the ball just fine. According to NBA.com, they pass 324.5 times per game, third-most in the league. The problem is their passing isn't resulting in many shots; they're just 16th in potential assists at 44.0.
Even more problematic is that they're tied for third-worst in the league in assist-to-pass percentage.
This kind of disparity is something you expect to see when there are a lot of what I call "fake passes" happening. By that, I mean the ballhandler is passing the ball with the intent of getting it back immediately once his dribble gets stopped.
The goal of that type of pass is to reset the play, not make the ball pop. The ball gets passed twice—to the ballhandler and back again—but the ball didn't actually move if it just came back to where it started. Both Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose do a lot of that. Even when they pass, they're black holes.
So how can you tell how much the ball is sticking to see if this is just confirmation bias or if there's substance to the observation?
Looking at "touch" stats provides a way. By combining "Seconds per Touch" and "Dribbles per Touch," per NBA.com, we can estimate a stat we'll call "Dribbles per Second." Since there's no appreciable difference in how long an actual dribble takes, we can conclude that the fewer dribbles there are, the more of that time is spent holding onto the ball.
The Knicks average 0.715 dribbles per second, the fewest in the league. The Lakers are second at 0.723, which is a considerable gap. The bottom line: The Knicks have players with sticky hands.
Excluding post players (who by default aren't going to dribble as much, as a large chunk of points in the post are assisted) here are the 10 stickiest hands in the NBA, based on dribbles per second:
Note that the players ranked first and ninth are also the Knicks who are first and second respectively on the Knicks in usage percentage (Anthony's is 28.9 percent, and Rose's is 25.7 percent), per Basketball-Reference.com. It's not hard to ascertain from that why the Knicks have issues. When your two most frequent ball-handlers are human Stickum, you're going to have problems.
Two things are evident from this.
The Knicks have no business re-signing Derrick Rose, and Carmelo Anthony shouldn't be part of the future. If they can work a trade for him, the Knicks need to get that done. They need to worry less about what they're getting back for him and more about the cost of keeping him. Pretty telling article
With where New York is, he's just in the way of the future. Anthony has acknowledged he needs to take a back seat for the rest of the season, telling Ian Begley of ESPN:
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is. I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."
But both Anthony and the Knicks need to make sure that's permanent ink they're writing with on the proverbial wall.
Stats courtesy of NBA.com unless otherwise noted.
Link: 5 Statistics That Have Defined New York Knicks' 2016-17 NBA Season
Damning article
didnt know your name was kelly scaletta
good article
men lie, women lie, numbers dont
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
Damn, they losing hope out here on the streets brehs
Yeah, I think there is a myth that you can't rebuild in NY, and I think it was perpetuated by an ownership and management team that didn't want to do the dirty work of rebuilding. And instead, they fed gullible fan a load of shyt, and spent the last 15 years disappointing them.
The rest of what @DPresidential wrote is feelings. Guys having their feelings hurt by being wrong about how to build a team, or hurt by the fact that their preferred players didn't pan out, or hurt by other posters being rude to them on the internet.
And again, I don't say feelings dismissively or as an insult -- I say it because for many fans, feelings is what drives them. You feelings of loyalty or love or awe or excitement or loathing or dread -- that's what drives/builds/molds fanbases, whether it's the knicks kinda all banded together by this shytshow of a team, or the frontrunnership of heat fans when LeBron and Bosh arrived, or the newness of warriors success, or sustained greatness for a team like the spurs, or old guard reverence for a team like the celtics -- there's a lot of feelings tied up in being a fan. That is just the reality. There's no shame in that.
But when you can't get over some of those feelings, and you can't see through them to what is happening in reality, you end up posting things like this:
This shyt is just raw emotion, and zero reality. People say the team is KP's, because he's going to be here in two and three and five years, and Melo isn't. Nobody thinks the team is better if you just remove Melo, but they do think the team will be better in three years if we were to flip melo for picks or young players, than it will be if we just let his contract run out.
This dude is saying "you don't build a team solely around KP" -- Yeah no shyt. There are three superstars in the history of the modern nba that have won championships on their own. Duncan, Dirk, Dream - that's the list. Everyone else needs at least another star. AT LEAST. Often two other top players.
Saying "you can't guarantee tanking wins a championship" - again, Yeah. We know. NOTHING GUARANTEES A CHAMPIONSHIP
But I can guarantee this team isn't going to win a championship with Melo as its best player, because that window is all but closed. I can guarantee the team needs more talent to even bee "competitive" let alone win a championship, and I can guarantee the best way to get access to talent for the longest amount of time - is the draft. The new CBO makes it harder and harder to lure talent in free agency, and has created even more advantages for teams that draft any given player, going forward.
On top of that, having good young players and future draft picks ALLOWS you to leverage a trade, should that opportunity present itself in the future, as an option to put the knicks over the top.
Holding up a "guaranteed championship" as a strawman argument is naive, and purposefully dense. That's not how it works. If Steph curry and KD broke their arms fighting over PB& J sammiches, it would be a wrap for golden state. If LeBron blew out a few discs flopping too hard, Cleveland is in the bushes.
The team stinks. The veterans they put on this team to try to prop it up for an 8 seed stink. It was the latest attempt to surround melo with a cast of stray role players and former stars, who can't hold up over the course of a season. And we gave up assets to try that failed strategy, again. When really, what melo needed around him was a young team that moved the ball, defended, and could shoot. Exactly the kind of guys we had to trade away to get him.
I'm extremely pleased to here that.
I love this boy too much to see him walk away on some Nancy Sinatra shyt.
If you're a fan of a team, there are feels to be had. You're classification of what I commented as being "feels" is unnecessary if you take into consideration the instigation that posters who incessantly post useless anti-melo comments are also these "feels" that you're talking about.Unless you believe what I wrote is at some I.V determined tier of emotions that is different from the typical anti- melo and "let's be condescending on those who don't agree with tanking" feels. You tend to agree with those individuals on this forum more often than not so I'm assuming you're just biased. Okay.
What you described as feels was essentially me detailing that this circus of a thread is double sided and Napier isn't doing his best blood-thirsty money making mitch [Should have won an Oscar for that] impression because of the possibility of a rebuild; it's because he's being goaded by people who are just as combative - if not more - than he is.
Combing this thread or any past Knicks thread, there is just no overwhelming rhetoric of constant NO REBUILD PROTEST than keeps being used as a punch line about the fanbase, breh. Even most of the ant-tank brehs were asking questions trying to understand it better.
You're a seemingly smart young man, but you're feeling yourself too much, breh.
I implore you to listen to Kendrick's new track - Humble
@I.V. Don't be Big Sean, breh. I hope you can be better than that.
[This post was 43% feels]
5. Dribbles Per Touch: 0.715
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Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
If the Knicks are committed to running the triangle offense, they need to move the ball better.
Ball sticking is a major issue with New York; though it's not easy to measure.
At first blush, the Knicks seem to share the ball just fine. According to NBA.com, they pass 324.5 times per game, third-most in the league. The problem is their passing isn't resulting in many shots; they're just 16th in potential assists at 44.0.
Even more problematic is that they're tied for third-worst in the league in assist-to-pass percentage.
This kind of disparity is something you expect to see when there are a lot of what I call "fake passes" happening. By that, I mean the ballhandler is passing the ball with the intent of getting it back immediately once his dribble gets stopped.
The goal of that type of pass is to reset the play, not make the ball pop. The ball gets passed twice—to the ballhandler and back again—but the ball didn't actually move if it just came back to where it started. Both Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose do a lot of that. Even when they pass, they're black holes.
So how can you tell how much the ball is sticking to see if this is just confirmation bias or if there's substance to the observation?
Looking at "touch" stats provides a way. By combining "Seconds per Touch" and "Dribbles per Touch," per NBA.com, we can estimate a stat we'll call "Dribbles per Second." Since there's no appreciable difference in how long an actual dribble takes, we can conclude that the fewer dribbles there are, the more of that time is spent holding onto the ball.
The Knicks average 0.715 dribbles per second, the fewest in the league. The Lakers are second at 0.723, which is a considerable gap. The bottom line: The Knicks have players with sticky hands.
Excluding post players (who by default aren't going to dribble as much, as a large chunk of points in the post are assisted) here are the 10 stickiest hands in the NBA, based on dribbles per second:
Note that the players ranked first and ninth are also the Knicks who are first and second respectively on the Knicks in usage percentage (Anthony's is 28.9 percent, and Rose's is 25.7 percent), per Basketball-Reference.com. It's not hard to ascertain from that why the Knicks have issues. When your two most frequent ball-handlers are human Stickum, you're going to have problems.
Two things are evident from this.
The Knicks have no business re-signing Derrick Rose, and Carmelo Anthony shouldn't be part of the future. If they can work a trade for him, the Knicks need to get that done. They need to worry less about what they're getting back for him and more about the cost of keeping him. Pretty telling article
With where New York is, he's just in the way of the future. Anthony has acknowledged he needs to take a back seat for the rest of the season, telling Ian Begley of ESPN:
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is. I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."
But both Anthony and the Knicks need to make sure that's permanent ink they're writing with on the proverbial wall.
Stats courtesy of NBA.com unless otherwise noted.
Link: 5 Statistics That Have Defined New York Knicks' 2016-17 NBA Season
Damning article
This is so weird to me.
And @ikbm I agree with you about numbers not lying...but the person using the numbers can.
Again, I'm just want objectivity.
I remember this post:
Something is fishy unless someone can rectify which of these are the more accurate picture.
To be honest, though, "dribbles per touch"?
[What the fukk does that really even mean??]And for more light shedding:
Numbers don't lie right?
I'm a layman, trying to understand. Can anyone who dapped that post help me understand all of this?
I implore you to listen to Kendrick's new track - Humble
@I.V. Don't be Big Sean, breh. I hope you can be better than that.
[This post was 43% feels]
I feel like you stopped reading after that line, and I really went on to say that there's nothing wrong with having a bunch of feelings about a team. Most of us have been rooting for the knicks since we were tots.
Anyway, I'm more of a HEART guy. So I can't be big sean.
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This is so weird to me.
And @ikbm I agree with you about numbers not lying...but the person using the numbers can.
Again, I'm just want objectivity.
I remember this post:
Something is fishy unless someone can rectify which of these are the more accurate picture.
To be honest, though, "dribbles per touch"?
And for more light shedding:
Numbers don't lie right?
I'm a layman, trying to understand. Can anyone who dapped that post help me understand all of this?
in all honesty...melo is basically a shade under his usual performance per year offensively.
his biggest issue is his defense.
rose causes more problems in my opinion than melo does
objectively we have more talent than last year...but we're worse. the biggest addition in talent was rose....and his lack of impact is troubling
Breh,I feel like you stopped reading after that line, and I really went on to say that there's nothing wrong with having a bunch of feelings about a team. Most of us have been rooting for the knicks since we were tots.
Anyway, I'm more of a HEART guy. So I can't be big sean.
I absolutely understood and respect every poster in here enough to fully read any post I reply to.
Never said it had a negative connotation. I was simply questioning whether you see the "feels" you discovered in that post were different than others and is that why you needed to point this.... harmless thing out again?
We both agree it's an understood dynamic, right? Aight, cool.
What about it was feelings, though? I'm not commenting on the Knicks, I'm commenting on behavior in a thread. I was giving, or attempting to give an objective observation on why this Coli breh Napier is heated.
So with that, I'm not understanding you, since you're saying you're not trolling.
Agreed.in all honesty...melo is basically a shade under his usual performance per year offensively.
his biggest issue is his defense.
rose causes more problems in my opinion than melo does
objectively we have more talent than last year...but we're worse. the biggest addition in talent was rose....and his lack of impact is troubling
I'm wondering if you think the objective statistics I posted in comparison to #5 on the article vibe with eachother?
I think she hit the nail on the head with her premise...but the evidence was lazy and not concrete. Or nah?
Was that on the A/C line heading to 34th?Damn, they losing hope out here on the streets brehs
Doesn't look like the 1 line that's for sure.
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those are conflicting statistics....and if statistics conflict...as basic as this sounds i go with what my eye tells me.
melo doesnt stop the ball nearly as much cause derrick rose has the ball more...and is seen in his eyes as someone worth deferring to.
when melo gets the ball in his spot...and makes his first move...the shot is going up regardless. there is no creation for someone else after that...its either a make or a miss. while melo has go-to moves and creativity for his isolation attempts...it rarely helps out the team. there are no drive and kicks with him...and thats fine cause he's a small forward...not everyone can be lebron.
rose entire game is off the drive..........but he doesnt kick effectively....which is really bad for a point guard....especially if your outside shot isnt great
