My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[Mr. Jack Napier]

You have to understand something about NY basketball fans. Not ALL, but MANY are impatient, irrational and get very emotional about the idea of a rebuilding process. I have said it many times before, but this is what got Dolan in so much trouble for years. He kept hiring guys to retool around the best player on the team even if they are slightly past their primes and shown that they don't have the ability to be a #1. Allan Houston, Marbury, Carmelo...all the same story. Good/Great players who should not have teams built around them.

We literally have a fan in here claiming that we are "crowning" KP already... Who is crowning dude? Just because we clearly see that the knicks are better off trying to build around him? Take his lumps and also draft other potential lottery picks? I mean this is just common sense

N*ggas have been saying this should be KP's team since late last season. Don't start with the revisionist history. I personally don't think Porzingis is someone you build your whole franchise around, the same way you don't believe teams shouldn't be built soley around Melo/Marbury/Allan Houston.

And NY fans are impatient with rebuilding processes because its NOT a guarantee that it will lead to a championship contending team. You cats swear that this tanking & rebuilding process is a sure thing, when we have seen from other organizations over years that it doesn't pan out.

Like I said before, we have very different opinions on how the Knicks should be put together going forward. Ya'll are the cats that constantly attacked those (mainly me) for being against the tank, and honestly I don't give a f*ck.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

The bolded is such bullshyt.

To be honest, I think @Mr. Jack Napier is being too harsh on KP and what not but the rebuild isn't what drove him to be on some fukk this shyt...

It was the constant condescending attitudes instigating even more so than nikkas on the other side like me.

The passive aggressive shots at any Breh that argued on behalf of Melo after every lose or missed shot by the Breh was funny and dap worthy to some brehs and corny as shyt to others.

I've yet to see the Doom and gloom rhetoric of the "I'd rather pop my eyes out than go through a rebuild" people that many people continue to claim exists.

Even for the sake of argument that you'd somehow push Napier into that category... The Knicks fan base is one of the largest contingents on the coli... How many people of that large contingent are so against a rebuild?

It's fukk boy shyt to constantly state that the fan base is plagued by brehs who can't take a rebuild.

For the bolded to be correct...These debates wouldn't be simply about people who argue for Melo or not..you'd have a large contingent of fans asking for us to trade the future pick, arguing to make long term big deals, etc...


I've yet to see that shyt.

Only reason I'm being harsh on KP, is because cats were giving him passes. I don't care if you're in your 1st year or 21st year, if you have flaws, I'll call them out. I was one of the MAIN cats that didn't want him to be thrust into the "fire" so early in his career, because we seen how the NY media/fanbase is.
Fam it was the same 3/4 posters taking shots, it's cool, I'll eat those like Scooby snacks

 

[ogc163]

 

[nieman]

nikkas ran out patrick ewing huh?
you know pat requested his way out...right?
im not quite sure you get how things work in new york. EVERY SINGLE TALENTED PLAYER IN THIS CITY IS SCRUTINIZED.
we just celebrated a 1983 team....that aint win shyt the other night...and they get cheers
and whenever melo is honored 20 years from now he'll get cheers
talking about some heel turn on kristaps...you mean the dude that got boo'd before he could even say a word in his new york knicks draft cap...the dude that was called a project and has still busted his ass to improve...the dude that has gained 20+ pounds of muscle since he got drafted? the dude that forewent the olympics to work on himself for this franchise? THAT DUDE?
he'll be fine no matter what scrutiny comes his way...which wont come for a while.

Patrick was ran out. N1ggas saw a fast-tempo team of Spree with Camby that were in the Finals and said that we were better without Patrick. That next season, Patrick was basically doing what Melo is doing now.

 

[ogc163]

You have to understand something about NY basketball fans. Not ALL, but MANY are impatient, irrational and get very emotional about the idea of a rebuilding process. I have said it many times before, but this is what got Dolan in so much trouble for years. He kept hiring guys to retool around the best player on the team even if they are slightly past their primes and shown that they don't have the ability to be a #1. Allan Houston, Marbury, Carmelo...all the same story. Good/Great players who should not have teams built around them.

We literally have a fan in here claiming that we are "crowning" KP already... Who is crowning dude? Just because we clearly see that the knicks are better off trying to build around him? Take his lumps and also draft other potential lottery picks? I mean this is just common sense

I've said this several times, the new CBA will hopefully force Knicks fans and other fanbases to stop looking at free agency as a quick fix.

 

[Carolina Slim]

I've said this several times, the new CBA will hopefully force Knicks fans and other fanbases to stop looking at free agency as a quick fix.

Exactly... For far too long the "process" was trying to shed cap space for year 20xx, to throw money at free agents, only to panic and overpay someone cause your original target was like at the thought of playing in NYC. Niiggas can be megastars in Cleveland and Oakland and Oklahoma City and still touch much paper.

 

[nieman]

I've said this several times, the new CBA will hopefully force Knicks fans and other fanbases to stop looking at free agency as a quick fix.

Free Agency and trades are still more productive than through the draft, especially these days. Teams are still waiting for players to turn the corner.

 

[DPresidential]

Free Agency and trades are still more productive than through the draft, especially these days. Teams are still waiting for players to turn the corner.

This is an interesting question.

I'd love an article/study on the various trajectories towards different tiers of success from championships to consistent competitiveness.

I'd imagine the Spurs are the draft/scouting gold standard. They way they have such an amazing organizational structure and the way they develop athletes is nothing short of beauty.

Then you see the Pat Riley types.

if there's been articles on this please post them.

 

[ogc163]

Free Agency and trades are still more productive than through the draft, especially these days. Teams are still waiting for players to turn the corner.

How so? And even if one believes this statement to be true, do you feel in the new CBA paradigm that free agency will still be more productive than the draft?

 

[DPresidential]

How so? And even if one believes this statement to be true, do you feel in the new CBA paradigm that free agency will still be more productive than the draft?

Yea, I agree with this.

At least from a layman's perspective, it seems it'll be very difficult for young stars to be persuaded to leave their original home team.

What's interesting, though, are the sports journalists that are saying the circus in NY would be enough to make KP decide to jump ship as soon as possible.

 

[storyteller]

Yea, I agree with this.

At least from a layman's perspective, it seems it'll be very difficult for young stars to be persuaded to leave their original home team.

What's interesting, though, are the sports journalists that are saying the circus in NY would be enough to make KP decide to jump ship as soon as possible.

I wonder what Butler and George fetch in trades. The new CBA combined with super teams has guys who franchises would normally hold on to and try to build around getting flipped. Porter and KCP situations are interesting too, two very good young players worth near max money who might be let walk because of cap worries. The CBA seems designed to make players stay but the lack of parity right now could make trades and signings an equally viable avenue, that Cousins trade was theft!

 

[Malta]

Free Agency and trades are still more productive than through the draft, especially these days. Teams are still waiting for players to turn the corner.

Nope, free agency is not how you build a team, you fortify what you have through FA but the core group of players on winning teams are via drafts or trades. The outlier that the Knicks have used as their template was the Heat, and that was a one off thing that will never happen again.

 

[Malta]

Yea, I agree with this.

At least from a layman's perspective, it seems it'll be very difficult for young stars to be persuaded to leave their original home team.

What's interesting, though, are the sports journalists that are saying the circus in NY would be enough to make KP decide to jump ship as soon as possible.

No, the same thing that will keep Giannis in Milwaukee is what will keep Kristaps in NY, and that's the Knicks being able to offer him a massive amount of money more than anyone else.

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

Free Agency and trades are still more productive than through the draft, especially these days. Teams are still waiting for players to turn the corner.

Nah free agency unless you're a handful of teams i.e. Miami or La you're not getting a franchise changer through FA

And the trade for a star route is a byproduct of drafting well

Those teams who traded for stars were able to by acquiring enough young cost controlled players via the draft

 

[Liquid]

N*ggas have been saying this should be KP's team since late last season. Don't start with the revisionist history. I personally don't think Porzingis is someone you build your whole franchise around, the same way you don't believe teams shouldn't be built soley around Melo/Marbury/Allan Houston.

And NY fans are impatient with rebuilding processes because its NOT a guarantee that it will lead to a championship contending team. You cats swear that this tanking & rebuilding process is a sure thing, when we have seen from other organizations over years that it doesn't pan out.

Like I said before, we have very different opinions on how the Knicks should be put together going forward. Ya'll are the cats that constantly attacked those (mainly me) for being against the tank, and honestly I don't give a f*ck.

That's fine, you can continue to be wrong and "not give a fukk" cheering for whatever team Melo lands on.

You are the one that's going to look like a dumbass when the knicks build a solid core and move forward.