My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[Liquid]

@Mr. Jack Napier gonna @Mr. Jack Napier

It's all good, he will be in the clippers season thread soon enough

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

he gave 15 years and didnt win.
stay sleep cause he said himself he regretted requesting that deal
conveniently enough you leave out that quote from the article

you nikkas more sensitive than the 100+ millionaires that get to play a sport for a living
theres about roughly 200 million reasons why KP will put his head down cause of scrutiny if he reaches his potential

Ain't nobody being sensitive, yall the ones getting all up in arms because I "bad mouthed" KP & because I'm against the idea of tanking.

At the end of the day, Melo nor the Knicks are paying me, and KP nor the Knicks are paying you cats. None of us are gms or work in the front of office of the team, everything stated in these threads are just fan's opinions on how sh*t should be done. Ya'll said what ya'll said about KP/Melo/Knicks, and I've said what I said. We agree to disagree & keep it pushing. But YA'LL the ones constantly tagging me & quoting me in here. Like I said before, if you don't like my opinions on the Knicks, put me on ignore

 

[Trapperman Dave]

Ya'll crowning KP too quick. Who's to say he's not better suited as a #2 option.

He's a second year player hard to tell atm. If melo and rose leave we'll see how he progresses its not going to be easy considering the talent. Willy should start alongside him. He's going to need a good guard that can score and run the offense.

 

[ikbm]

Ain't nobody being sensitive, yall the ones getting all up in arms because I "bad mouthed" KP & because I'm against the idea of tanking.

At the end of the day, Melo nor the Knicks are paying me, and KP nor the Knicks are paying you cats. None of us are gms or work in the front of office of the team, everything stated in these threads are just fan's opinions on how sh*t should be done. Ya'll said what ya'll said about KP/Melo/Knicks, and I've said what I said. We agree to disagree & keep it pushing. But YA'LL the ones constantly tagging me & quoting me in here. Like I said before, if you don't like my opinions on the Knicks, put me on ignore

there's ways to be objective.
its less about you badmouthing KP ....because anyone with eyes can see he has flaws
its more about absolving melo and viewing everything in a vacuum
i get it...you want to have meaningful games in april...not to purposely lose games....but part of the reason we're in this predicament of being a bad team...is the play of the two people i've never seen you utter a single word about...rose and melo
i guess you dont want to pile on them cause you like them as people?
we have more talent than last year...why is our record worse?
i've seen you say...we aint gon be shyt til we play defense. who are the two worst defenders among their respective positions in the nba?
i aint arguing to argue with you my nikka...im just trying to get you to open your perspective without it seeming like its personal at you
i wish we couldve won with melo...but its time to move on...and start over....
this half ass try at being competitive aint working...and hasnt worked consistently in 17 years
agree to disagree

 

[Trapperman Dave]

there's ways to be objective.
its less about you badmouthing KP ....because anyone with eyes can see he has flaws
its more about absolving melo and viewing everything in a vacuum
i get it...you want to have meaningful games in april...not to purposely lose games....but part of the reason we're in this predicament of being a bad team...is the play of the two people i've never seen you utter a single word about...rose and melo
i guess you dont want to pile on them cause you like them as people?
we have more talent than last year...why is our record worse?
i've seen you say...we aint gon be shyt til we play defense. who are the two worst defenders among their respective positions in the nba?
i aint arguing to argue with you my nikka...im just trying to get you to open your perspective without it seeming like its personal at you
i wish we couldve won with melo...but its time to move on...and start over....
this half ass try at being competitive aint working...and hasnt worked consistently in 17 years
agree to disagree

You need a bench as well. Hornececk should have played the younger guys more. Can't expect someone to get better without a chance.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

there's ways to be objective.
its less about you badmouthing KP ....because anyone with eyes can see he has flaws
its more about absolving melo and viewing everything in a vacuum
i get it...you want to have meaningful games in april...not to purposely lose games....but part of the reason we're in this predicament of being a bad team...is the play of the two people i've never seen you utter a single word about...rose and melo
i guess you dont want to pile on them cause you like them as people?
we have more talent than last year...why is our record worse?
i've seen you say...we aint gon be shyt til we play defense. who are the two worst defenders among their respective positions in the nba?
i aint arguing to argue with you my nikka...im just trying to get you to open your perspective without it seeming like its personal at you
i wish we couldve won with melo...but its time to move on...and start over....
this half ass try at being competitive aint working...and hasnt worked consistently in 17 years
agree to disagree

And here we go again, just blaming them. Yeah Melo has quetionable shot selection, and Rose has a tendency to just drive & not kick it out, but I can't count how many times I've seen KP struggle to post smaller players or leave his man (usually a stretch 4) wide open. Ya'll coddle KP to much.

The whole team's defense is a reason where they are. And putting f*cking Kurt Rambis as defensive coordinator.

 

[Fresh]

Another n*gga on my dikk.

 

[ikbm]

And here we go again, just blaming them. Yeah Melo has quetionable shot selection, and Rose has a tendency to just drive & not kick it out, but I can't count how many times I've seen KP struggle to post smaller players or leave his man (usually a stretch 4) wide open. Ya'll coddle KP to much.

The whole team's defense is a reason where they are. And putting f*cking Kurt Rambis as defensive coordinator.

i said...but part. i clearly said "PART" and I clearly said kristaps is flawed....but you cant compare a 2nd year player to an 8 year vet and a 13 year vet.
they should be held more accountable than a younger player....thats just realistic
anyone short of greg popovich is not turning this defense into a good one when 2 of your 5 players in the starting lineup are pretty bad on defense. melo is more hide-able cause he's a wing...but rose in the pick and roll is devastatingly bad. rambis doesnt help...but you arent turning bad defenders into average ones with some coaching. you need to physical and mental capability to be good defenders.
kp is 7'3...as frail as he is...because he's effective at altering shots he has a tendency to be in the paint.
again he's 7'3... he cant guard a stretch 4...and be expected to stick to them if they shot fake...and drive. he's most effective as the only big man on the court.
i've repeatedly said this.

 

[I.V.]

That's why getting into this draft is important, because if KP is a number 2, pairing him with a Josh Jackson / Fultz / Ball makes sense for the future.
You don't put all your eggs in one basket, but you'd rather they continue to build around Melo who has proven time and time again that he is not a number 1 either.

I'm amazed by how many people, even after watching our team get trounced and lapped by better organizations, still don't understand how to build a roster or a successful team.

When somebody says "KP is the future" - they don't mean he's white latvian LeBron. What they mean is, he represents the future, and is our best player over the next 3-5 years.

You don't go into the draft, with THIS roster, saying "who can we put in as a no.2 for KP" -- It's: How can get the best player possible in this draft, so Porzingis has somebody else to play with.

If there was a garnett or a duncan in this draft, we wouldn't opt for a guard, simply because "We already got KP and he's the star" -- That isn't how it works at this stage.

I hope whoever we draft is BETTER than porzingis. I hope THEY turn into LeBron/Steph/Wade/Jordan/Dream all rolled into one.

Everyone takes this shyt so personal, like if they're favored player didn't work out, well then I hope YOUR favored fails too. I can't wait for it.

Wanting to get a great draft pick is not a referendum on Melo. Just like it isn't a referendum on KP, or Phil, or Hornacek, or Wily, or Clyde, or Patrick. It's just wanting to have the best chance to add talent to the team.

And while you COULD draft a better player at 14 than you do at 4, the point is at 4 you had the shot at the guy taken at 14, plus 11 other potential young players.

Day to day, I don't ENJOY tanking. I don't enjoy rooting for a busted up roster of washed vets, also rans, and bums with a gentle dusting of talented players who can't get the job done alone. It stinks watching a game right now, because they stink, and there isn't anything to root for. And that is why we come on here or on twitter or wherever, and root for the tank. Because we recognize that losing is the best way for this team to get back on track, and right now winning ONLY hurts them.

That's why we're studying draft picks, and looking through the second round -- because that is where this team's future is going to be. Players who are NOT CURRENTLY ON this roster. Because the ones on it, aren't good enough. If this team gets better, that help is coming from the outside. The draft and free agency and trades.

And yeah, phil and dolan are probably gonna fukk it up.
Eventually, we'll be rooting for a new GM, too.
That's what you do when your team is shyt, you hope help is on the way.
Are some of you mad that other fans have come to grip with that? Or are you upset you were sold a fake bill of goods this summer, and you bought that shyt hook-line-and-sinker -
Again.

To my point, here's a 2nd round wing who I kinda like. Jonah Bolden was at UCLA and went abroad as a pro.

 

[Captain Crunch]

I think you guys hit on this pick, and the Knicks will be a squad 3-4 years from now.

 

[ikbm]

I think you guys hit on this pick, and the Knicks will be a squad 3-4 years from now.

if we get it together...stay with them miami nikkas
might have to ban you from the bx

 

[Frump]

I'm amazed by how many people, even after watching our team get trounced and lapped by better organizations, still don't understand how to build a roster or a successful team.

When somebody says "KP is the future" - they don't mean he's white latvian LeBron. What they mean is, he represents the future, and is our best player over the next 3-5 years.

You don't go into the draft, with THIS roster, saying "who can we put in as a no.2 for KP" -- It's: How can get the best player possible in this draft, so Porzingis has somebody else to play with.

If there was a garnett or a duncan in this draft, we wouldn't opt for a guard, simply because "We already got KP and he's the star" -- That isn't how it works at this stage.

I hope whoever we draft is BETTER than porzingis. I hope THEY turn into LeBron/Steph/Wade/Jordan/Dream all rolled into one.

Everyone takes this shyt so personal, like if they're favored player didn't work out, well then I hope YOUR favored fails too. I can't wait for it.

Wanting to get a great draft pick is not a referendum on Melo. Just like it isn't a referendum on KP, or Phil, or Hornacek, or Wily, or Clyde, or Patrick. It's just wanting to have the best chance to add talent to the team.

And while you COULD draft a better player at 14 than you do at 4, the point is at 4 you had the shot at the guy taken at 14, plus 11 other potential young players.

Day to day, I don't ENJOY tanking. I don't enjoy rooting for a busted up roster of washed vets, also rans, and bums with a gentle dusting of talented players who can't get the job done alone. It stinks watching a game right now, because they stink, and there isn't anything to root for. And that is why we come on here or on twitter or wherever, and root for the tank. Because we recognize that losing is the best way for this team to get back on track, and right now winning ONLY hurts them.

That's why we're studying draft picks, and looking through the second round -- because that is where this team's future is going to be. Players who are NOT CURRENTLY ON this roster. Because the ones on it, aren't good enough. If this team gets better, that help is coming from the outside. The draft and free agency and trades.

And yeah, phil and dolan are probably gonna fukk it up.
Eventually, we'll be rooting for a new GM, too.
That's what you do when your team is shyt, you hope help is on the way.
Are some of you mad that other fans have come to grip with that? Or are you upset you were sold a fake bill of goods this summer, and you bought that shyt hook-line-and-sinker -
Again.

To my point, here's a 2nd round wing who I kinda like. Jonah Bolden was at UCLA and went abroad as a pro.

A lot of people here still don't get it. Maybe their Knick fans but don't follow the whole NBA closely to know how it works.

These same people if we get rid of Melo and have a worse record next year still won't get it and will point to that as why it was a mistake getting rid of him.

 

[Captain Crunch]

if we get it together...stay with them miami nikkas
might have to ban you from the bx

If y'all get Josh, I'm making next year's season thread

 

[Liquid]

I'm amazed by how many people, even after watching our team get trounced and lapped by better organizations, still don't understand how to build a roster or a successful team.

When somebody says "KP is the future" - they don't mean he's white latvian LeBron. What they mean is, he represents the future, and is our best player over the next 3-5 years.

You don't go into the draft, with THIS roster, saying "who can we put in as a no.2 for KP" -- It's: How can get the best player possible in this draft, so Porzingis has somebody else to play with.

If there was a garnett or a duncan in this draft, we wouldn't opt for a guard, simply because "We already got KP and he's the star" -- That isn't how it works at this stage.

I hope whoever we draft is BETTER than porzingis. I hope THEY turn into LeBron/Steph/Wade/Jordan/Dream all rolled into one.

Everyone takes this shyt so personal, like if they're favored player didn't work out, well then I hope YOUR favored fails too. I can't wait for it.

Wanting to get a great draft pick is not a referendum on Melo. Just like it isn't a referendum on KP, or Phil, or Hornacek, or Wily, or Clyde, or Patrick. It's just wanting to have the best chance to add talent to the team.

And while you COULD draft a better player at 14 than you do at 4, the point is at 4 you had the shot at the guy taken at 14, plus 11 other potential young players.

Day to day, I don't ENJOY tanking. I don't enjoy rooting for a busted up roster of washed vets, also rans, and bums with a gentle dusting of talented players who can't get the job done alone. It stinks watching a game right now, because they stink, and there isn't anything to root for. And that is why we come on here or on twitter or wherever, and root for the tank. Because we recognize that losing is the best way for this team to get back on track, and right now winning ONLY hurts them.

That's why we're studying draft picks, and looking through the second round -- because that is where this team's future is going to be. Players who are NOT CURRENTLY ON this roster. Because the ones on it, aren't good enough. If this team gets better, that help is coming from the outside. The draft and free agency and trades.

And yeah, phil and dolan are probably gonna fukk it up.
Eventually, we'll be rooting for a new GM, too.
That's what you do when your team is shyt, you hope help is on the way.
Are some of you mad that other fans have come to grip with that? Or are you upset you were sold a fake bill of goods this summer, and you bought that shyt hook-line-and-sinker -
Again.

To my point, here's a 2nd round wing who I kinda like. Jonah Bolden was at UCLA and went abroad as a pro.

You have to understand something about NY basketball fans. Not ALL, but MANY are impatient, irrational and get very emotional about the idea of a rebuilding process. I have said it many times before, but this is what got Dolan in so much trouble for years. He kept hiring guys to retool around the best player on the team even if they are slightly past their primes and shown that they don't have the ability to be a #1. Allan Houston, Marbury, Carmelo...all the same story. Good/Great players who should not have teams built around them.

We literally have a fan in here claiming that we are "crowning" KP already... Who is crowning dude? Just because we clearly see that the knicks are better off trying to build around him? Take his lumps and also draft other potential lottery picks? I mean this is just common sense

 

[DPresidential]

You have to understand something about NY basketball fans. Not ALL, but MANY are impatient, irrational and get very emotional about the idea of a rebuilding process. I have said it many times before, but this is what got

The bolded is such bullshyt.

To be honest, I think @Mr. Jack Napier is being too harsh on KP and what not but the rebuild isn't what drove him to be on some fukk this shyt...

It was the constant condescending attitudes instigating even more so than nikkas on the other side like me.

The passive aggressive shots at any Breh that argued on behalf of Melo after every lose or missed shot by the Breh was funny and dap worthy to some brehs and corny as shyt to others.

I've yet to see the Doom and gloom rhetoric of the "I'd rather pop my eyes out than go through a rebuild" people that many people continue to claim exists.

Even for the sake of argument that you'd somehow push Napier into that category... The Knicks fan base is one of the largest contingents on the coli... How many people of that large contingent are so against a rebuild?

It's fukk boy shyt to constantly state that the fan base is plagued by brehs who can't take a rebuild.

For the bolded to be correct...These debates wouldn't be simply about people who argue for Melo or not..you'd have a large contingent of fans asking for us to trade the future pick, arguing to make long term big deals, etc...


I've yet to see that shyt.