My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[ikbm]

You provide cats with stats, videos, and explanations why you don't fukk with a player and dudes engage in consistent psychoanalysis. Cats been consistently wrong for the better part of two years and still claiming the high ground...gotta love it.@DPresidential I expected better from you, you need another poster to tell me to chill out or scold me on an internet forum? That's wiiiiild extra.

When cats are serious about inquiring about why I don't fux with Melo as a player and/or why I feel the Knicks should tank for the next two years I provide the answer but I respond on some funny shyt to posters who are stuck in their feelings/insincere and have no intention of hearing me out. I'll be in next years thread talking about the 2018 draft unless the dude the Knicks pick is a beast and it is obvious making the playoffs/fighting to make the playoffs makes sense, so that's a forewarning to anyone who gets aggy over me talking about draft prospects. I won't be irrationally be hype over ish that doesn't benefit the Knicks long term, and again if that annoys you

it's all propaganda..."the man" is telling me carmelo isnt that good anymore
pure yellow journalism.
the media is making me think he's not great....not my eyes.
my eyeballs are lying to me






its only a few of yal...but i have never seen you utter a single criticism towards that nikkas game.
@Code : Karma ...it all make sense now...how you repeatedly shat on a more accomplished player (steph curry) in the finals because the media crowned him as a darling...but refuse to utter a single negative about carmelo
dont worry...i watch more games than i admit to watching of this poor product...called new york knicks basketball...ive seen enough...aint no fukkin knicks blogger or beat writer changing my thoughts
you're probably gonna say kawhi leonard isnt that good next whenever he gets his clout. lebron and carmelo are above reproach to you.
shyts a joke dog.
let it go.
and you know what....what i said was tongue in cheek....and actual joke...considering how much of a joke this season has been

melo not playing costed us this game
where is the high usage and bad results when you need it

but since yal on this super melo shyt i almost feel compelled to double down.
i'll be damned if a nikka tells me im not objective about the prospects of this team.
i've never been on this angle of melo is fat, lazy or what have you...i've always kept it strictly basketball

 

[onelastdeath]

it's all propaganda..."the man" is telling me carmelo isnt that good anymore
pure yellow journalism.
the media is making me think he's not great....not my eyes.
my eyeballs are lying to me






its only a few of yal...but i have never seen you utter a single criticism towards that nikkas game.
@Code : Karma ...it all make sense now...how you repeatedly shat on a more accomplished player (steph curry) in the finals because the media crowned him as a darling...but refuse to utter a single negative about carmelo
dont worry...i watch more games than i admit to watching of this poor product...called new york knicks basketball...ive seen enough...aint no fukkin knicks blogger or beat writer changing my thoughts
you're probably gonna say kawhi leonard isnt that good next whenever he gets his clout. lebron and carmelo are above reproach to you.
shyts a joke dog.
let it go.
and you know what....what i said was tongue in cheek....and actual joke...considering how much of a joke this season has been

but since yal on this super melo shyt i almost feel compelled to double down.
i'll be damned if a nikka tells me im not objective about the prospects of this team.
i've never been on this angle of melo is fat, lazy or what have you...i've always kept it strictly basketball

I respect you and your opinions about ball breh. Maybe I shouldn't generalize. My bad.

 

[BigMan]

Checking in.....

 

[DPresidential]

@ogc163

That man doesn't need to check you. Nor am I asking him, too.

I'm pointed out the contrast of him actually being able to comment on me being in my feels in my posts, however, as much as he respects Melo, the same psychoanalysis is never offered to anyone on the other side of these arguments.

And, breh, you expected better from me? nikka, we don't know each other and I've yet to see you acknowledge any of my opinion in this thread in a respectful way so stop it, breh. You don't expect anything different from me than any other poster here, especially those who don't talk shyt about most of our players. That was funny, though.

Also, it doesn't annoy me that you aren't irrationally hype over anything that doesn't benefit the team in the long run. Do you.

You want the best for this team, right? Hmm... All the videos, stats, and law suits can show you this organization has a worse track record than Melo himself since you've been alive yet you can rationalize not abandoning the Knicks franchise's while thinking a Melo fan is irrational?

Why do you like this team? Are the answers any more rational than why a fan supports Melo?

 

[ogc163]

@ogc163

That man doesn't need to check you. Nor am I asking him, too.

I'm pointed out the contrast of him actually being able to comment on me being in my feels in my posts, however, as much as he respects Melo, the same psychoanalysis is never offered to anyone on the other side of these arguments.

I can't speak for him or anyone else, but maybe it's because our arguments can be seen as more rational and emotionally detached. Knick fans on this board and in general are often mocked for being irrationally optimistic based on a weak foundation, going against the grain and not looking at things at emotionally doesn't offer as much fodder for the psychoanalysis. I personally am indifferent to a lot of the off the court stuff, I think Melo is trash on the court I don't give two shyts about his off court life/situations.


And, breh, you expected better from me? nikka, we don't know each other and I've yet to see you acknowledge any of my opinion in this thread in a respectful way so stop it, breh. You don't expect anything different from me than any other poster here, especially those who don't talk shyt about most of our players. That was funny, though.

Because you entering @Mr. Jack Napier territory of in your feelings postings and I thought you were a better poster than that, but I guess not. You can act obtuse towards the term "expected better" and make it out to be deeper than it was if that makes you feel better about yourself. In terms of acknowledging your opinion in a respectful manner, in general I rarely respond to anything you write and when I do it's in response to a question you have and I've been pretty respectful in those exchanges.

Also, it doesn't annoy me that you aren't irrationally hype over anything that doesn't benefit the team in the long run. Do you.

You want the best for this team, right? Hmm... All the videos, stats, and law suits can show you this organization has a worse track record than Melo himself since you've been alive yet you can rationalize not abandoning the Knicks franchise's while thinking a Melo fan is irrational?

I'm a fan of a franchise that I've been watching since I was 6 years old (29 now) and I want to see them do what's best for the long term. I'm always going to give a franchise a longer leash than players, as do most fans of sports. On the other hand I've had posters in here tell me Melo's "mistreatment" by some fans and media is akin to Patrick Ewings treatment towards the end of his Knicks tenure. Do I think most Melo stans have such asinine opinions? Thankfully for them...no. But it represents this prevalent idea although at it's extreme that Melo has accomplished enough to warrant a higher degree of respect and LOYALTY from fans and media when the stats, accomplishments, and on the court impact showcases that it is not the case.

Why do you like this team? Are the answers any more rational than why a fan supports Melo?

 

[DPresidential]

@ogc163

Absolutely understand everything you said in your last post.

The thing is, your rationale that because you've watched an inept team since you were 6 years old, you have a solid base to be loyal to them is valid. I feel very similar regarding the Knicks.

However, a person like myself or @Mr. Jack Napier, who really likes a player because his off court personality and statements on social issues as well as acknowledge his flaws but still like his game being deemed invalid because of the stats, videos, etc is quite hypocritical.

I imagine, since you've been 6 years old, the overwhelming amount of news articles, videos, heartbreaking defeats, terrible signings and bad draft choices would have you on the receiving end of a lot of people saying you area fool or you are in your emotions to be so obstinate about them.

For every time you can tell me, "fukk Fat Iverson, why do you foolishly have hope he'll play defense or show he cares about winning considering his track record?" a non-knick fan can hit you with, "fukk the bum ass Knicks, why do you foolishly have hope they'll start making proper decisions or show they care about anything other than butts in seats?

The answer you'd give is, "fukk you, I fukk with them because they are my team and holding out hope that they'll prove everyone wrong is part of the allure and enjoyment I get out of it." nikka, the answer for supporting Melo from Nap or I would be "fukk you, I fukk with him because he's a Knick, I've seen him play well for us and carry us on his back while being extremely professional against being shytted on everyone from the GM to fans and he's publicly stood up for Black issues."

You're emotional about this squad, which is why you can allow yourself to go against rational thought and root for a team that has disappointed you since you've been 6 years old! There is nothing wrong with that, if you're a knick fan, it comes with the territory so it's cool.

If I'm wrong... fukk it... let's imagine YOU asked yourself the question...

Why do you have this hope and support of a Knicks franchise that hasn't done enough to warrant a higher degree of respect and LOYALTY from fans and media when the stats, lack of rings, accomplishments, and on the court ineptitude showcase that you should say fukk em?

 

[Frump]

@i.V
If your definition of tanking is tantamount to rebuilding...Why the need for the new terminology? My entire inquiry was an attempt to understand you and @Malta Without trolling, breh.

I want Melo traded so he can go out of this cesspool, I've acknowledged the Melo experiment has failed and I'm absolutely willingly to see the youth play all available minutes.

However, the difference is while watching the young guys, I would root for them to play well and if they win, well damn that is an enjoyable game that I saw. I'm seeing people in this thread literally pissed off when Chasson Randle comes into the game and they win a game with him. Like, breh, shyt happens and sometimes the young guys contribute to wins.



Your effortless ability to be a condescending nikka is unparalleled.

This is a basketball, yes? My enjoyment stems from loving to root my team on from game to game as well as hoping they make the right moves for a chip. Hopefully, those two desires intersect, if not, I'm quite content, regardless.

I want a rebuild. I want to watch young brehs play and become the future of the franchise. I want the pieces, draft position, playoffs to fall where it will as long as the players on the court are playing to win. I'm rooting for the GM to make the smartest decisions and I'm rooting for the players I like to play with 110℅.

Regarding your confusion about what I said, sorry you didn't understand.

This thread has absolutely become a dumpster fire. You really can't blame that on the type of fans one would reasonably expect to be in a Knick thread...The type of fan who genuinely likes and supports his Knicks players and likes to express enjoyment for a made shot by a Knick.

This thread has become a dumpster fire because of the brehs who make every point to take a dig at any win or any thing Carmelo Anthony does as if their anger stems from...

Hmmm... I need not confuse you...

...As if it stems from Melo engaging in an scandalous act of infidelity aka "Melo fukked their main wiz".

You don't get why it's kind of weird(spooky) that you'd take the time to comment on my emotions instead of objectively answering my question on tanking yet the brehs who spend half a post talking about wishing Melo would be hit by a team bus and the other half of a post talking about future draft prospects hardly get the same psychoanalysis from you, breh?

This is why it appeared that you, consciously or otherwise, were throwing a bone to the trolls of this thread. Hopefully you understand that and if I'm completely wrong then...Respect, my nikka.

Considering you're very reasonable statement that we aren't going to win with Melo and we should move on... The same energy is never spent by a nikka like you to tell the @Frump And the @ogc163 of the thread for them to get out of their feels about hating Melo and riding off into the sunset with something more consistently productive for the thread you believe has turned into said dumpster fire?

My God that's a bunch of run on sentences.

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Last question, if the Knicks were to get one of the better prospects of this class, I imagine we wouldn't be in next season's thread wasting time talking about tanking if Lonzo Ball and KP are healthy, right?

Keep my name out of your mouth breh. Don't want you to embarrass yourself by praising your own jokes like last time

 

[DPresidential]

Keep my name out of your mouth breh. Don't want you to embarrass yourself by praising your own jokes like last time

Please requote them..

shyts were funny as fukk.

I don't feel like searching for when I said them. Do me a solid and find them for me young man.

 

[Frump]

@ogc163

Absolutely understand everything you said in your last post.

The thing is, your rationale that because you've watched an inept team since you were 6 years old, you have a solid base to be loyal to them is valid. I feel very similar regarding the Knicks.

However, a person like myself or @Mr. Jack Napier, who really likes a player because his off court personality and statements on social issues as well as acknowledge his flaws but still like his game being deemed invalid because of the stats, videos, etc is quite hypocritical.

I imagine, since you've been 6 years old, the overwhelming amount of news articles, videos, heartbreaking defeats, terrible signings and bad draft choices would have you on the receiving end of a lot of people saying you area fool or you are in your emotions to be so obstinate about them.

For every time you can tell me, "fukk Fat Iverson, why do you foolishly have hope he'll play defense or show he cares about winning considering his track record?" a non-knick fan can hit you with, "fukk the bum ass Knicks, why do you foolishly have hope they'll start making proper decisions or show they care about anything other than butts in seats?

The answer you'd give is, "fukk you, I fukk with them because they are my team and holding out hope that they'll prove everyone wrong is part of the allure and enjoyment I get out of it." nikka, the answer for supporting Melo from Nap or I would be "fukk you, I fukk with him because he's a Knick, I've seen him play well for us and carry us on his back while being extremely professional against being shytted on everyone from the GM to fans and he's publicly stood up for Black issues."

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Social issues have nothing to do with on the court. If you like his political views go follow his brilliant insight and political messages on instagram

He's s 32 year old player with a lot of miles on him. Even ignoring his Ballhogness tunnel vision and poor defense he's had his whole career which is why I never liked him this is not a guy we should be building around at this point in his career. And we'd be better off without him right now for the long run

 

[Frump]

Please requote them..

shyts were funny as fukk.

I don't feel like searching for when I said them. Do me a solid and find them for me young man.

Breh I'm not THAT mean. I prayed for u after that

 

[DPresidential]

Social issues have nothing to do with on the court. If you like his political views go follow his brilliant insight and political messages on instagram

He's s 32 year old player with a lot of miles on him. Even ignoring his Ballhogness tunnel vision and poor defense he's had his whole career which is why I never liked him this is not a guy we should be building around at this point in his career. And we'd be better off without him right now for the long run

Breh,

I'm not trying to shyt on the 6 year old version of YOU...but Melo's recent statements on issues that I hold dear to me and my family are a hell of a lot more relevant to this year's on the court actions than any vintage Knicks related thing that made 6 year old Osh Kosh overall wearing Ogc red in the cheeks, my nikka.

If you truly believed that only the on court shyt mattered...you'd have abandoned this team a long time ago. That's just facts, no emotion.

 

[DPresidential]

Breh I'm not THAT mean. I prayed for u after that

 

[Frump]

Breh,

I'm not trying to shyt on the 6 year old version of YOU...but Melo's recent statements on issues that I hold dear to me and my family are a hell of a lot more relevant to this year's on the court actions than any vintage Knicks related thing that made 6 year old Osh Kosh overall wearing Ogc red in the cheeks, my nikka.

If you truly believed that only the on court shyt mattered...you'd have abandoned this team a long time ago. That's just facts, no emotion.

They have NOTHING to do with on the court. Absolutely nothing

I don't care if Gandhi and mother Teresa were on the Knicks. If they're playing I'm critiquing their play on the court and nothing else during games

 

[Malta]

@i.V
If your definition of tanking is tantamount to rebuilding...Why the need for the new terminology? My entire inquiry was an attempt to understand you and @Malta Without trolling, breh.

I want Melo traded so he can go out of this cesspool, I've acknowledged the Melo experiment has failed and I'm absolutely willingly to see the youth play all available minutes.

However, the difference is while watching the young guys, I would root for them to play well and if they win, well damn that is an enjoyable game that I saw. I'm seeing people in this thread literally pissed off when Chasson Randle comes into the game and they win a game with him. Like, breh, shyt happens and sometimes the young guys contribute to wins.

Beloved my point has always been easy to understand, when Melo was traded I thought it was a terrible deal for the Knicks, and I turned out to be right as the Nuggets have a better record than the Knicks since the trade and find themselves in a better position for the future. I did not like his game, when you have a player that can only do 1 thing at a high level it makes building around that player extremely difficult, nevermind how much the ball sticks when he has it. His stance on social issues is great, but we're not talking about that, we're talking about him as a basketball player.

People are mad that they won the game because it's a pointless win, it took the Knicks from the 6th spot in the draft to the 9th, that may not seem like a big difference but someone who we think should go top 5 may be there at 6. It could be the difference in drafting Jonathan Issac or Robert Williams, it's how the Blazers got Damian Lillard at 6 and the Raptors were stuck with Terrence Ross at 8. As much as yall love Randle, he's not going to be some high level PG, the odds are very much against him so having him help win a meaningless game and hurt your draft position is just

When people say tank, it means to stop winning these games right now, the season is over and you're not going to do anything but hurt your own long term potential. This is a deep draft, but the best players at positions the Knicks could really use will most likely be gone in the top 7, after that it's a crapshoot, and while nothing is a sure thing, getting into that top 6 is more important than Chasson Randle developing.

 

[DPresidential]

Neither one has anything to do with what happens on the court.

That's MY point. I'm the one who agrees with you. Much like whether Porzingis starts to be trash or not... young Latvian immigrants are going to ride with the nikka 130%.

I can't hate on that.

Beloved my point has always been easy to understand,

Right, but what has been cloudy is the exact understanding of whether tanking is rebuilding and whether it includes the coach sabotaging lineups and what not. I'm merely trying to get it to see if I fukk with it.

I'm not that big on Randle, honestly. Regardless, I remember people saying they'd be okay just enjoying watching our young guys play. If that's the case, how can you enjoy and support the young guys and hope they play well but also be upset if they play well is what I'm saying.

I want the No.1 draft pick, believe me. I've also stated I don't want quick fixes. I just want to root for my team game to game and at the end of the season, see where we are in the draft and go forward accordingly.

It's not foolish, it's just my way of enjoying this sport.