My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

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@Malta @I.V.

My point is do you ever consider what amount of teams actually tanking would compromise the integrity of the game. I asked the question because I didn't want to assume you wanted more than a few teams to tank.

However, I would think if the 7-10 teams were to actively tank, it compromises the game. If a team should either tank or legitimately go for a chip, how many teams is that realistically in a year like this?

Also, why shouldn't the bucks tank under your litmus test? If they tank they could get a pick that they can turn into serious roster upgrades for their budding talent?

These are the questions I have.

The Bucks are most likely going to miss the playoffs, they were competitive for most of the season and then Jabari got hurt, since then they have clearly shifted to a developmental stage with Thon starting and Rashad Vaughn getting minutes here and there. The only way for them to tank right now would be for Giannis to miss time, they aren't going to hold him out because he's young and still needs development.

Breh, you're too into the philosophical side of this, there are always going to be shytty teams no matter what the league does. I don't get why this is so difficult for you to understand, especially with the Knicks being in such a horrible position where they have a clear franchise level young talent that they should be putting talent around. Lets stop talking about other teams, and give me some good reasons why the Knicks shouldn't be awful enough to get a top pick? Your best player is 21 years old, the pieces around him in the starting lineup for most of the season were 31, 32, 28 and 31, why is this so hard to get breh breh?
 

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The Bucks are most likely going to miss the playoffs, they were competitive for most of the season and then Jabari got hurt, since then they have clearly shifted to a developmental stage with Thon starting and Rashad Vaughn getting minutes here and there. The only way for them to tank right now would be for Giannis to miss time, they aren't going to hold him out because he's young and still needs development.

Breh, you're too into the philosophical side of this, there are always going to be shytty teams no matter what the league does. I don't get why this is so difficult for you to understand, especially with the Knicks being in such a horrible position where they have a clear franchise level young talent that they should be putting talent around. Lets stop talking about other teams, and give me some good reasons why the Knicks shouldn't be awful enough to get a top pick? Your best player is 21 years old, the pieces around him in the starting lineup for most of the season were 31, 32, 28 and 31, why is this so hard to get breh breh?

Yep you stop "tanking" when you already have your young core and all you need for the future are a piece here and apiece there but nothing major

The Bucks if Jabari comes back we'll are pretty set with their core for the future. Sure they need a pg and some shooters but nothing that requires getting a top pick for

The Knicks have KP maybe Willy and garbage for the future.

They need more then pieces here and there. They need at least one more building block young player for the future
 

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Yep you stop "tanking" when you already have your young core and all you need for the future are a piece here and apiece there but nothing major

The Bucks if Jabari comes back we'll are pretty set with their core for the future. Sure they need a pg and some shooters but nothing that requires getting a top pick for

The Knicks have KP maybe Willy and garbage for the future.

They need more then pieces here and there. They need at least one more building block young player for the future


@DPresidential is my breh, but he's naming teams considerably younger than the Knicks -

Giannis - 22
Middleton - 25
Brogdon - 24
Thon - 20
Vaughn - 20
Snell - 25
Jabari - 21 *

I'm not sure Jabari can be part of their long term plans anymore, and I'd draft an SF if I were them just to be safe. I don't even understand how they can be used in a comparison with the Knicks, same with the Nuggets or Blazers.

If you can't understand why a team like the Bucks isn't hurt by not tanking then I don't know what to say.
 

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And with that pointless win we went from 6 in the draft to 9

:beli:

Not even in the range to get one of the better PG prospects right now
:hhh:

This is some meaningless bullshyt breh
:stopitslime:
This is why Phil pissig me off right now, the season is a wash. It's time to rebuild, change course of the ship before it's too damn late.
 

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And with that pointless win we went from 6 in the draft to 9

:beli:

Not even in the range to get one of the better PG prospects right now
:hhh:

This is some meaningless bullshyt breh
:stopitslime:

To be fair, they benched Melo which for the past 2 years has all but guaranteed a lost...The Magic are just really, really awful. They needed to shut down Lee and Lance too if they wanted to lose and that's a sentence that applies to all of 2 or 3 teams in this entire league.
 

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@DPresidential is my breh, but he's naming teams considerably younger than the Knicks -

Giannis - 22
Middleton - 25
Brogdon - 24
Thon - 20
Vaughn - 20
Snell - 25
Jabari - 21 *

I'm not sure Jabari can be part of their long term plans anymore, and I'd draft an SF if I were them just to be safe. I don't even understand how they can be used in a comparison with the Knicks, same with the Nuggets or Blazers.

If you can't understand why a team like the Bucks isn't hurt by not tanking then I don't know what to say.

I don't understand fans here saying the Knicks need to draft a safe pick defensive specialist who can help right away next year :hhh:

The idea isn't to draft a player with this current team in mind. When this teams good again most of the current players will be gone

You draft the player with the highest upside like u did with KP
 
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It's pathetic, you see so many great pg's around the league and the Knicks can never land one. There are backups right now who could start for the Knicks, and that's been the case for a long time. Probably gonna continue too after Frank is off the board and the Knicks draft Miles Bridges :mjgrin:
:hhh: dont wish no shyt like that
 

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:banderas:If we could I'd love to keep Holiday, Quinn of Queens, Hernan, Kuzzin, Randle, The Chef, Lee, and KP just a nice young core. We need a younger SF though with all around capabilities and more size plus shooting:banderas:

shout out to holiday
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does in job and plays d

quinn kuz and randle can kick rocks tho
 

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@Malta @I.V.
My point is do you ever consider what amount of teams actually tanking would compromise the integrity of the game. I asked the question because I didn't want to assume you wanted more than a few teams to tank.
However, I would think if the 7-10 teams were to actively tank, it compromises the game. If a team should either tank or legitimately go for a chip, how many teams is that realistically in a year like this?
Also, why shouldn't the bucks tank under your litmus test? If they tank they could get a pick that they can turn into serious roster upgrades for their budding talent?
These are the questions I have.

I feel like you are a little caught up in your feelings about tanking, rather than the reality of the league. You are attached to this idea of "tanking" as some moral failure, as if it involves teams playing the popcorn guy at the 5, and forcing your top players to miss the bus.

There are already 5 or so teams that begin the season with the understanding that they will not be competing for a championship. They have un-spent cap space leftover from the summer, they are not putting on "the most competitive roster they can" - they are trying to get some guys experience, and planning on landing a high lottery pick.

If your roster is not good enough to compete, at all, and you're putting out some young players, and you're winning 18-25 games... you are tanking. A lot of teams are already doing that.

That approach is complicated when you have vets on the team who are decent, but not really in your future plans: PJ Tucker and Chandler in PHX for example -- they were better with Chandler playing more minutes, but they still weren't THAT good.

The Knicks had a horrendous and short-sighted summer. And they are in a unique position where the best player on their team is no longer in the future plans, but also can't be moved, because of a previous awful summer decision.

Right now there are 8 or 9 teams that may not win 30 games. 3 or 4 that are unlikely to win 25. Are you weeping for the integrity of the game right now?

You can set up a season where your goal is to play/try-out young/hungry guys, see who fits, and still not win. You can also arrive at a point during the season, where things have gone off the rails, and you realize you're better off losing than winning. Sports are relative, and as I said before, it's not just "go for a chip" or "lose 80 games" -- there are plenty of teams who are too good to be a lottery team, but not quite good enough to compete for a chip, and playing a competitive season, making the playoffs, and trying to figure out how you can take the next step -- is all a part of the process. There are also teams trying to make the leap from bottom-feeder to that middle tier, BECAUSE they've accrued the talent to compete.
 

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This is the shyt I'm talking about. I don't understands this bullshyt. It's more than fine to want to go in a different direction As a franchise. It's even okay not to like his game. But what is it with the disses, and disrespect :why: I wanna understand it but I can't understand the insults :why:

He's been nothing but patient and understanding with the organization. All he's done is play and hasn't trashed the organization or fans in his entire tenure as a Knick. Has been real a real professional the entire time and y'all still talk shyt about him.

What did he do? What would happen if he was a cocky, arrogant ball player? The hate would be ridiculous.

Like with me, I felt it was time to move on from Amare and I didn't like his contract. But I never really bashed em because he didn't do shyt :why:


That cause it's cool to dislike Melo now. I done seen dudes defend racist george karl to shyt on Melo, defend phil, tell me melo should have never started a nba game in his entire career.


shyt is jokes.

Soon everyone can move on.
 
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