Again, I guess we'll go piece by piece.
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If your definition of tanking is tantamount to rebuilding...Why the need for the new terminology? My entire inquiry was an attempt to understand you and
@Malta Without trolling, breh.
We did not invent the term tanking. We can't give you the genesis. If I had to draw a line, I'd say rebuilding is understanding your team isn't that good, and committing to building through the draft, and tanking is SPECIFICALLY putting yourself in position to lose games/matchups to improve your draft pick.
But I mean, really, tanking is at this point a slang term for rebuilding. It gets used a joke when Melo fukking missing a 30 foot BANK in crunch time, but also when the team says he has to sit out because his knee is hurt.
I don't think there's an answer there that is going to crystallize things for you, but I also do not think you want one.
I want Melo traded so he can go out of this cesspool, I've acknowledged the Melo experiment has failed and I'm absolutely willingly to see the youth play all available minutes.
Cool. Me too!
However, the difference is while watching the young guys, I would root for them to play well and if they win, well damn that is an enjoyable game that I saw.
Which is fine! But you have to know that right now, every meaningless late-season game they win is hurting the rebuilding process. Because the impact of dropping from the 5th pick to the 10th pick is OUT-SIZED when compared to Ron Baker getting the experience of beating the Magic.
I'm seeing people in this thread literally pissed off when Chasson Randle comes into the game and they win a game with him. Like, breh, shyt happens and sometimes the young guys contribute to wins.
I'd love to see Chasson Randle contribute to gutty wins -- next season. This season is a lost dumpster fire, and while I love seeing him get game experience - like I said above - the negative impact of winning 4-5 games down the stretch far outweighs any positive impact.
Your effortless ability to be a condescending nikka is unparalleled.
I remain undefeated in some realms.
This is a basketball, yes? My enjoyment stems from loving to root my team on from game to game as well as hoping they make the right moves for a chip. Hopefully, those two desires intersect, if not, I'm quite content, regardless.
Cool?
I want a rebuild. I want to watch young brehs play and become the future of the franchise. I want the pieces, draft position, playoffs to fall where it will as long as the players on the court are playing to win. I'm rooting for the GM to make the smartest decisions and I'm rooting for the players I like to play with 110℅.
These are all fine. But you already know that it is your right to root for whatever you want. But in reality, you can't really have all these things at the same time. You can't have wins AND a higher draft pick, right? So naturally there are going to be people who would prefer the 5th pick, over 30 wins.
This thread has absolutely become a dumpster fire. You really can't blame that on the type of fans one would reasonably expect to be in a Knick thread...The type of fan who genuinely likes and supports his Knicks players and likes to express enjoyment for a made shot by a Knick.
Breh, I've been in knicks threads since I was in high school, and they're almost always dumpster fires -- because 1) the knicks have sucked for damn near 20 years. And 2) It's the innanet.
This thread has become a dumpster fire because of the brehs who make every point to take a dig at any win or any thing Carmelo Anthony does as if their anger stems from...
No. Because the threads were dumpster fires when we were rooting for Eddy Curry. And when fans were arguing over whether Zeke did a good job or not HE DRAFTED TREVOR ARIZA IN THE SECOND ROUND!
This isn't new. And it has nothing to do with Melo. Melo is just the latest player/issue to be divisive among a fan base that is sick of rooting for a shytty team.
...As if it stems from Melo engaging in an scandalous act of infidelity aka "Melo fukked their main wiz".
This is what somebody who defends Melo says, right? Like, your perspective is that people are irrationally upset with melo -- but Melo forcing a trade fukked up the last rebuild, and gutted the roster of young talent. He's been banged up. He is the star, and the team has struggled. These are the kinds of things that make fanbases resent a player.
Personally, I like melo. I like the fact that he's quasi-militant, and pisses white people off. I liked him at Cuse, I liked him in Denver, and I wanted it to work here. I have made many arguments that you could build a winner around him.
But we didn't.
You don't get why it's kind of weird(spooky) that you'd take the time to comment on my emotions instead of objectively answering my question on tanking yet the brehs who spend half a post talking about wishing Melo would be hit by a team bus and the other half of a post talking about future draft prospects hardly get the same psychoanalysis from you, breh?
Bruh, I don't address every idiot on this board. Somebody who wishes melo would die in a fire is not worth responding to.
Somebody who clearly likes the team, has an interest in talking about basketball AND the knicks, and has a different perspective on the team -- that to me, IS worth responding to.
It's not my job to argue with every simple motherfukker on a message board. Many of them are blocked, so I don't even see their posts.
Considering you're very reasonable statement that we aren't going to win with Melo and we should move on... The same energy is never spent by a nikka like you to tell the
@Frump And the
@ogc163 of the thread for them to get out of their feels about hating Melo and riding off into the sunset with something more consistently productive for the thread you believe has turned into said dumpster fire?
You do realize that you have asked me to explain tanking, right? And have done it while having a very strong moral reaction to it? If those dudes were addressing me, and saying "Don't you think Melo should be hit by a bus?" - I would say: No. You are a weirdo.
But if we're being honest, I see a lot of Melo jokes on this board -- and I see a lot of Tanking jokes on this board. And I only see a few posters having really strong reactions to those jokes.
So, I don't know where we stand here. But all I can say is -- if somebody is being outlandish about their melo-hate... who cares? I have addressed that shyt before, but I don't feel the need to put out every single fire. However, if they - as you are - decided to address me with a question. I'd take the time to answer it, and evaluate it with a little bit of thought.
None of this is "psychoanalysis" -- I'm just saying that you clearly have a very strong reaction to the idea of a team setting out to lose. And when I point that you, you come at me with all these examples of other people saying mean things about melo. Like, who cares?
Most of these dudes don't @ me with nonsense, because they know I'll clown them.
Now, let's take a second to address your final point.
Last question, if the Knicks were to get one of the better prospects of this class, I imagine we wouldn't be in next season's thread wasting time talking about tanking if Lonzo Ball and KP are healthy, right?
Wrong. I do not believe that Lonzo and KP is enough to be a championship contender. And maybe not even a playoff contender, necessarily (depending on what happened with the rest of the roster).
BUT -- if you have a pair of cornerstone pieces, and it becomes obvious that they are both stars -- then yes, the conversation around continuing to build the roster will change. We will be rooting for them to play well, rooting for them to succeed, rooting for the young guys to carry the team -- which is how the T-Wolves started this season off, for example.
However, if it becomes obvious by mid-season that they're not quite there, yet. Then you try to move some of the leftover vet players for picks/assets -- and ride out the losses, hoping to draft another star talent.
It is okay to transition from competitive to "ehhh, let the young guys play and lose" midway through a season... just as a fan base can switch up its outlook from "Well this season is a lost season" to "Oh shyt we might be in this" -- the Giants did it this passed year, for example.
Sports are fluid, which is why this conversation is hard -- there aren't really hard and fast rules that MANDATE how your root.
Realistically: You and I are always going to be rooting for different things. That's cool. That's kinda the beauty of the whole thing. I'm going to be upset every time they win for the rest of the year, because it fukks their pick up. You'd rather see if they can get some wins with the young guys, and then draft who we can. Either way, the team is going to be trash, and drafting in the lottery, and when the pick is settled -- we'll both be rooting they get the best player possible.
So, right now what we're doing is arguing over nuance. We are arguing over a SLIVER of fandom.
The reason I say they should be "tanking" right now, is that every win they get from here on out does DAMAGE to their long-term outlook.
For example, your use of Lonzo Ball is already unrealistic, given the fact that they have won a few games in the last two weeks. He's out. They're not going to get lonzo ball or fultz or jackson or probably isaac.
They're going to be choosing between Malik Monk, and Nktilina and Robert Williams and Miles Bridges. And that alone means next year is probably going to be another lost season.
And another season where we end up having to root for losses.
Every year the team fails to grasp that reality, sets us back another season or two.
After Embiid was shut down and the news about Simmons and the bad trade by the Sixers GM, I just felt bad for you and I wasn't going to try to troll you in those threads... I'm low key down with trolling with you until I hear Embiid is healthy and my trolling won't seem personal.
