My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[GhostoftheMan]

Stein doesn't think melo gets traded until the draft if he and phil stay at odds. knicks also haven't approached melo with a trade possibility because they've been working under the assumption that he only will go to three teams

 

[DPresidential]

Is Phil gonna wait until the last possible second before the trade deadline?

Zen...

Time doesn't exist.

 

[storyteller]

Rubio is a woeful scorer, but I don't know that there's a single other facet of his game that isn't superior to Rose's at this point in their careers...and Rubio's contract isn't half bad for a stop gap while we find or develop a starting PG long term.

Knicks Should Flip Derrick Rose for Ricky Rubio | Basketball Insiders | NBA Rumors And Basketball News

Consider this: Derrick Rose’s usage rate this season is 26.2 and his assist rate is 23.1. In contrast, Ricky Rubio’s usage rate this season is 14.9 and his assist rate is 36.2.

With Anthony and Porzingis, the Knicks don’t need a high-volume shooter at the point guard position. They need a point guard who can run an offense and, just as importantly, keep opposing point guards from penetrating into the heart of the defense at will.

Rubio is an underrated, aggressive defender. He doesn’t have the quickest feet, but he has active hands, a nuanced understanding of defensive positioning and a willingness to fight through screens.

Defensive Real Plus-Minus (DRPM) is a defensive metric which tracks a player’s estimated on-court impact on team defensive performance, measured in points allowed per 100 offensive possessions and accounts for team and opponent context. This season, Rubio has posted a DRPM of 0.58, which is the eighth-highest mark among point guards. In 2015-16, Rubio was at 1.89, which was the second highest DRPM among qualifying point guards in the league, behind only Chris Paul. In 2014-15, Rubio led NBA point guards in this category.

Derrick Rose, on the other hand, ranks 85th out of 89 qualifying points guards in DRPM this season. In 2015-16, he was also in the bottom 5 percent among qualifying PG’s.

I mean, if it doesn't happen, so be it. The tank is going strong and though I don't think Rubio disrupts it much he might. But dude makes sense, especially for KP and Willy.

 

[GunRanger]

Rubio defense >> rose

 

[Miles Davis]

If Rubio is to be a stop gap then we need to figure out what direction we're taking the franchise in. If it's rebuild we need to tank to get one of the pg's if it's through free agency then we need to do something.

 

[I.V.]

Rose - washed Rose is clearly better than Rubio. Stop the madness bro.
Payton - his haircut alone is cut-worthy. While this is true he's still better than Rubio.
Yogi/Deron Williams - smurf/washed I'm taking Yogi over Rubio. Williams and Rubio are about on the same level.
Collison - collison - Collison isn't whack. I'm taking him over Rubio.
Mudiay - trash I'm taking him over Rubio
Shelvin Mack/Exum - though I maintain that exum is coming around I'm taking Exum over Rubio
McConnell - c'mon
Whitehead/Dinwiddie - low cost trash I've never seen either of them play
Rondo/MCW - trash - Both better players than Rubio. But I'd never take Rondo he's a cancer wherever he goes
Reggie Jack/Ish Smith -- though reggie is coming off an injury Both are better than Rubio.
Dellavadova (though Brogdon plays a lot of pg for them, too) Delly is better than Rubio, but not by much.
Shroeder -- who's been a disappointment this season Clearly better than Rubio.

I could take Rubio coming off the bench leading the second squad.

But starting? No.

N*ggas are gassing themselves up into believing Ricky Rubio is good, let alone better than D.Rose HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I feel like this knick season's depression has y'all not watching any games.

I'm not over-hype for a deal -- but call a spade a spade. Rose is trash, washed, and is gonna want MORE money than Rubio's making next season.

 

[qnsfinest]

I'm all for getting rubio, his defense and passing alone is worth more than roses current existence.

With rubio we know we'll have a pass first pg for atleast 2yrs if we fail on getting a pg in the draft and if we end up getting a pg we can always run a two pg backcourt or move rubio to the bench or have the rookie come off the bench his rookie season.

But what I don't want is us fukkin up this tank, that's my biggest fear. We're only 4 games out of the 8th spot and I hope we don't start gunning for it.

We need to start looking at the future, we're not gonna compete in the east as long as lebron is still around, maybe another 3-4 seasons, when he does retire that's when our young rookies should be able to start competing against the likes of 76ers and maybe boston (I'm not sold on bucks)

 

[RickyGQ]

Trading for Rubio puts us in position to compete next year. Like everyone's said, it makes us draft smarter than over reaching to draft for need. There's literally nothing good available in FA. Rubio plus whoever we pick is greater than whoever we pick and nothing.

 

[KingB137]

Ricky Rubio is basically a Spanish version of Rondo without the the attitude problems. He's not better than Rose. No offense but I don't know anybody outside Knicks fans that's excited about the idea of Rubio.

 

[Malta]

N*ggas are gassing themselves up into believing Ricky Rubio is good, let alone better than D.Rose HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Your understanding of the NBA is casual city

I don't even like Rubio, but he'd make the ball move more and get other people involved in the offense for the Knicks, and most importantly he's only under contract for 2 more seasons. Do you think locking up Rose on a multi-year deal is a good idea for a team that doesn't have a backup PG? The Wolves want him because he'd be the grace period between now and when Dunn is ready to start.

 

[RickyGQ]

Yea these players are definitely trolling us in social media.

 

[Steezy]

A pg starting his first year avg 18 & 8 on the 4 seed and yall call him disappointment yall don't deserve shyt

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Ricky Rubio is basically a Spanish version of Rondo without the the attitude problems. He's not better than Rose. No offense but I don't know anybody outside Knicks fans that's excited about the idea of Rubio.

Breh, I'm glad someone else sees this sh*t, lol

 

[KingB137]

Breh, I'm glad someone else sees this sh*t, lol

I thought this was common sense for most people. They've been trying to get rid of him for 4 years. Also if you notice, no other team is really interested in him either. The reports are Thibs is the one trying to force a trade not the Knicks because he wants to get rid of Rubio and wants one of his old guys back. Only reason Knicks are entertaining this is because they know Drose is walking this summer.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

If no moves are made, then the Knicks should just buy Rose out and let him walk, or move him to the bench and let Jennings start. At this point, Rose is nothing more than a super-sub and he'd be more useful to another team in that role.