My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

[ogc163]

Gentrification: Not Ousting the Poor? - TIME

 

[Silky Johnson]

Begruding white people for laying down roots in a place that you wouldnt is assinine

Upwardly mobile blacks like you abandoning the inner city are as responsible as anyone for how the identities of these hoods shifted

Someone needs to contribute $$, if upwardly mobile blacks are unwilling to stick around and revitalize an area (generally they arent)... dont be surprised if white people see the potential

You played a role in this like everyone else

nikka you couldn't be more wrong about this shyt


Upwardly mobile blacks in the inner city =/= property owners & real estate moguls. The white folks and jews snatch up the land and sell nicks for dimes so the hood nikkas on the come up have to go someplace else. Why would you pay that bread for a spot in the hood when YOU know it's 15 years away from maybe looking like a respectable place? You won't, you take your family where you are going to get the best value.

Now, the trustafarians searching on craigslist don't know the area is the hood, don't think $1700/month for a 2br is a bad price because they have no idea the people downstairs are paying $950 for the same size apartment and think they getting a deal. They tell their friends and now the hood slowly changes. This is what happened in Harlem and now 10 years later you have Disney land.

 

[john goodman]

nikka you couldn't be more wrong about this shyt


Upwardly mobile blacks in the inner city =/= property owners & real estate moguls. The white folks and jews snatch up the land and sell nicks for dimes so the hood nikkas on the come up have to go someplace else. Why would you pay that bread for a spot in the hood when YOU know it's 15 years away from maybe looking like a respectable place? You won't, you take your family where you are going to get the best value.

Now, the trustafarians searching on craigslist don't know the area is the hood, don't think $1700/month for a 2br is a bad price because they have no idea the people downstairs are paying $950 for the same size apartment and think they getting a deal. They tell their friends and now the hood slowly changes. This is what happened in Harlem and now 10 years later you have Disney land.

All I hear is people abandoning their neighborhood for the suburbs then complaining when someone else fixes it up

 

[NYC Rebel]

All I hear is people abandoning their neighborhood for the suburbs then complaining when someone else fixes it up

And all we see from you is a dude who has no place in this conversation, getting shytted on by random posters who discover your nonsense posting.

Go away and let grown folks talk.

 

[Silky Johnson]

All I hear is people abandoning their neighborhood for the suburbs then complaining when someone else fixes it up

Nah, not at all. They renovate the buildings and raise the rent 200% which forces people out. THAT's what they're complaining about.

Then they dump em in my hood so we have a whole bunch of people without any ties to the community making a bad situation worse.

 

[john goodman]

And all we see from you is a dude who has no place in this conversation, getting shytted on by random posters who discover your nonsense posting.

Go away and let grown folks talk.

Is that not what you are doing?

You dont invest in bk

You dont raise your family in bk

I dont understand where you get off claiming ownership of a place that you dont even raise your family in

I run into people like you all the time during my efforts to revitalize north philly... ive heard all the complaining and blaming before

You abandoned bk and now your mad that white people see the potential and are enjoyimg it, cry me a fukking river

 

[john goodman]

Nah, not at all. They renovate the buildings and raise the rent 200% which forces people out. THAT's what they're complaining about.

Then they dump em in my hood so we have a whole bunch of people without any ties to the community making a bad situation worse.

Meh

It happens, rents get raised

Not a crime or a tragedy. No one has an inherent right to live in a building that they dont own

 

[NYC Rebel]

Is that not what you are doing?

You dont invest in bk

You dont raise your family in bk

I dont understand where you get off claiming ownership of a place that you dont even raise your family in

I run into people like you all the time during my efforts to revitalize north philly... ive heard all the complaining and blaming before

You abandoned bk and now your mad that white people see the potential and are enjoyimg it, cry me a fukking river

Dog...you wasted a lot of time with your make believe posts.

My wife and I second home will be in BK once our in laws decide to stay in GA.

You really know nothing about me.

You try too hard.

random posters see it.

 

[john goodman]

Dog...you wasted a lot of time with your make believe posts.

My wife and I second home will be in BK once our in laws decide to stay in GA.

You really know nothing about me.

You try too hard.

random posters see it.

Move in quick befoee the white people steal it man

 

[NYC Rebel]

Move in quick befoee the white people steal it man

 

[the next guy]

which lines/stops are safe, which are being gentrified? and which are still gully?

 

[Silky Johnson]

Meh

It happens, rents get raised

Not a crime or a tragedy. No one has an inherent right to live in a building that they dont own

Spoken like a cac/uncle ruckus ass nikka who isn't affected by any of this. If you're a low income person and your landlord send you a notice that your rent is going up 100% in 30 days, what you gonna do? You pick up and go or have the sheriff's put ur shyt on the curb. If you are on Section 8 and the landlord says "fukk it, we don't accept that anymore", you go where the hell the program sends you. Don't act like nikkas in these situations have choices in the matter.

But fukk boys like you think as long as you don't have money, your opinion doesn't count anyway and shrug shyt off.

 

[Silky Johnson]

which lines/stops are safe, which are being gentrified? and which are still gully?

Go above East 180th street on the 2/5 if you want to

Them boys don't play past Mott Ave on the A Train either

 

[yoyoyo1]

man, I'm in Astoria.. not rich, not poor, generally safe, people of all cultures... and these people still wanna take it over..

just cause its slightly more affordable than what they got over there in manhattan and brooklyn. something that pisses me off because my area is so beautiful, and in the last 5-10 years they've been destroying regular buildings and putting up massive brick monstrosities that they call 'luxury apartments'... it hasnt bothered any of our blocks personally cause people are well-entrenched here and the projects are... that-a way ->>>>> but still. even the main street for shopping has generic ass sushi and coffee spots opening up. these people are all the same.

they tried to close down two local schools, probably to put up some housing of the variety and i'm glad that didnt happen (even though these kids from the lower income area of the place are the root of the problem and its not a coincidence safety at my old high school dipped like fukk recently). im just wondering though, will they stop at these "luxury buildings" or continue digging at the heart?

people are creating their own problems here, which only gives developers and politicians ammunition to clean the place out in a "legal" way

 

[tremonthustler1]

This is what I'm saying. Its def not as simple as just economics, but economics played a part of it. @NYCRebel , @tremonthustler , if you were a landlord of one of these buildings, what would you do? And should "BK/BX newbies" be allowed to move into "your" boroughs at all?

Keep in mind, once upon a time these folks would have or DID live in places like Park Slope, LES, shyt maybe even TriBeCa or Dumbo.... and they got priced out of there by the likes of Robert DeNiro. So the idea that this is some culture theft conspiracy, and not just people looking for a place to live they can afford, is pretty much 95% bogus. Yea when these folks move in they change the neighborhood, but so did the first of us who came to these neighborhoods... you think Nostrand Ave was lined with jerk spots, liquor stores, barber shops and West African import/export centers in the 50s

We need to stop looking at this through an "us vs them" lens and look at it through a cause + effect lens. Just like I say in those "fukk black women" threads there's no value in breaking down something as complex as the black family dynamic or gentrification into something as dishonestly simple as "victim/oppressor"

There are def a lot of factors beyond our control in these neighborhoods, but I don't think folks are being honest/fair in qualifying the intentions of many of those behind the forces.

I clearly stated that gentrification in of itself is mostly economical with the racial aspect of it being coincidental. However, your example would be countered with this: when Blacks and Hispanics moved to these neighborhoods and made em our own (or whatever race or ethnicity you wanna use) what did they have before that? That's the fear of gentrification, being forced out of your comfort zone or home and having nothing to look forward to and worse, nothing to come back to. It's in a way institutionalized displacement.

White flight is why we took the neighborhoods, not forced displacement.