My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

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those places and hells kitchen (midtown west:mjgrin:) were industrial areas and slums in the 60s. zoning laws also changed to allow residences in those formerly industrial areas (remember cities were de-industrializing during this time)
cmon yall you want to fight against gentrification but don't know the history of it?:francis:

Urban renewal - Wikipedia

That's sounds urban renewal which was really big in the 60s in new York.
 
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That sounds more like urban renewal than gentrification if you ask me. Urban renewal was big in the 60s.
urban renewal is inexplicably linked to gentrification
LES, Hells Kitchen, etc. these areas were slums/low income and their residents were displaced by high incomes folks
 

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urban renewal is inexplicably linked to gentrification
LES, Hells Kitchen, etc. these areas were slums/low income and their residents were displaced by high incomes folks

Urban renewal and gentrification are two different things though you are right where one may lead to the other. Urban renewal involves the government revitalizing an area in a city that is slummed out for public use. Rezoning, dezoning, funding an area yo build new housing, streets and etc. Usually people aren't there and etc. Gentrification is when an area which is already developed, community and containing residents of a certain demographic or lower income are displaced by a different demographic or if a higher income.

Urban renewal would be what happened in Atlanta in the 1996 Olympics where the us government tore down techwood projects which they said was the most dangerous projects in the United states in place of mix income housing which led to the start of that neighborhood and Atlanta and it's gentrification.

It's more or less the climate or what's going on culturally that determines gentrification trends. What's going on in America is that generation y'ers are pretty much figuring themselves out. You have folks that were kids in the burbs that don't want to be like their parents so they are rebelling and moving into the inner city. Eventually folks are going to end up growing up and moving back to the very same places than moved from and the move from the burbs into the city on an extended vacation away from life trend will eventually end. NYC is eventually gonna go back to shyt again. Wouldn't be surprised if it's within the next 5 years.
 
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Urban renewal and gentrification are two different things though you are right where one may lead to the other. Urban renewal involves the government revitalizing an area in a city that is slummed out for public use. Rezoning, dezoning, funding an area yo build new housing, streets and etc. Usually people aren't there and etc. Gentrification is when an area which is already developed, community and containing residents of a certain demographic or lower income are displaced by a different demographic or if a higher income.

Urban renewal would be what happened in Atlanta in the 1996 Olympics where the us government tore down techwood projects which they said was the most dangerous projects in the United states in place of mix income housing which led to the start of that neighborhood and Atlanta and it's gentrification.
why do people say parts of Brooklyn like Williamsburg are gentrified when it was the changing of zoning laws that allowed residence in formerly industrial areas?
the gentrification definitions still holds for Hells Kitchen, the Village, and LES
 

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why do people say parts of Brooklyn like Williamsburg are gentrified when it was the changing of zoning laws that allowed residence in formerly industrial areas?
the gentrification definitions still holds for Hells Kitchen, the Village, and LES

Mainly because on part, it wasn't the city that really did the construction and demolishing of those spots. It was real estate companies and private developers. The city gave the green light.
 

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Mainly because on part, it wasn't the city that really did the construction and demolishing of those spots. It was real estate companies and private developers. The city gave the green light.
generally governments don't have the money to engage in renewal projects with out private industry :jbhmm:
i view urban renewal as more like Robert Moses type projects:jbhmm:
 

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generally governments don't have the money to engage in renewal projects with out private industry :jbhmm:
i view urban renewal as more like Robert Moses type projects:jbhmm:

Urban renewal could come through many different programs displayed in different ways. Robert Moses was public works and etc.
 
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Exactly, you hit the nail on the head.

Another thing i noticed which is odd and this is true. No disrespect to anyone out there that may read this but ever notice how many of these types are in the arts, artists and etc that live and are moving into these places? Like to me, thats very weird. Why is that? I'm just wondering how many of these folks really are artists like they genuinely are into that shyt vs the whole trendy shyt where it's like monkey see monkey do like the independent bands, yoga, the vegan thing, liberal, activist and etc that is trendy among that hipster crowd. Not knocking any artists or people working in the arts because I'm a natural artist myself. That field in itself is not big in generating $$$$$ like that so where is the money coming from for folks to live in these areas especially when it seems like everyone is doing the same shyt? I just think it's weird how it seems like every person those areas seem to attract seems to be like clones.

And honestly, that hipster neighborhood, 6 roommate in the gentrified part of Brooklyn seems to be some high school mentality type of shyt. Like someone who is still stuck in high school worrying about fitting in and etc when it's adulthood. At that point, it's more about surviving and doing what's right for self instead of trying to win approval from people who see shyt as a phase where they will go back to where they moved from and brush shyt off as "fun". It's sad really.
To be honest you both are quite possibly the stupidest fukking posters on this site. It must be something in the water that made you type this dumb shyt. Neg me if you want I can’t condone this ignorance.
 

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To be honest you both are quite possibly the stupidest fukking posters on this site. It must be something in the water that made you type this dumb shyt. Neg me if you want I can’t condone this ignorance.


Ignorance? Just come out and say that you're mad because he's talking about people like you doing that 8 people sharing an apartment roommate shyt. He's not lying about what he said. There is a high turnover rate with those type of apartments and folks don't even plan on staying in the area let alone the city. They basically get tired and move elsewhere usually to where they came from. So basically they're displacing the community and not even staying in that shyt so it becomes an overpriced hotel resort.
 

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Ignorance? Just come out and say that you're mad because he's talking about people like you doing that 8 people sharing an apartment roommate shyt. He's not lying about what he said. There is a high turnover rate with those type of apartments and folks don't even plan on staying in the area let alone the city. They basically get tired and move elsewhere usually to where they came from. So basically they're displacing the community and not even staying in that shyt so it becomes an overpriced hotel resort.
Working in Brooklyn RE for three years has shown me this is true.
 

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nikkas had roommates when NYC was cheap
living at home or in a communal setting is cultural in many cases.
your point on that all spanish and asian immigrants that live 10 a house are family is wrong also
there's really nothing wrong with either living with roommates or alone.
i didnt say it was wrong to live with room mates - i said you have a mkt that ONLY overwhelmingly caters to young adults shacking up 4 to an apt - which is NOT the way you are gonna build a neighborhood

5person single adults who stay for 5 or 6 years and then move on to some other place does not make a neighborhood and certainly doesnt lend itself to being affordable for a "family" and families make neighborhoods not the amt of coffee shops and yoga studios there are

lemme school you again -

you had places like Wash Height s and el barrio on the east side which were PR - crown heights and flatbush which were west indian - and in the late 70s thru 90s those areas were STABLE with those populations - and the same class of people economically were still in those areas - they werent poor but they werent rich and they were comprised mostly of families - so in the 20 and 30 years you had those adults who shared apts even for a short time they werent strangers they were families of those who immigrated and brought other family members in to live there those persons also steadily supplanted a lot of the blue collar and service sector jobs which existed in the city

there were several other neighborhoods in the city and you could find varying strata of classes in those neighborhoods for DECADES - middle and upper middle class neighborhoods Pelham Bay Woodlawn Jamaica Estates Park Slope Middle Village Jackson Heights just to name a few

the problem came with Bloomberg in the 2000's who rezoned and sold large parcels of land and places to high end real estate development

and because they are high end development they were willing to allow tenants to do things single owner landlords usually would not allow - why?

because if i am a company i will take the loss for a few years on a property to have a turnover and cause the rent to rise - since as the apt becomes vacated the rent can be raised much more than a person that simply re-ups their lease and there by increase my profit for the company - way more than the single owner land lord

so the trend now corporations to buy ppty not actual ppty owners and the game became to get tenants in and out within 3 to 5 years and that worked best with young adults who after 5 or 7 years were usually gone...... and then you get in high earning young adults who are nowhere anythign LIKE the people who were in the neighborhood in the first place to pay the higher rent or even BUY

the overall point is this- you had a Harlem or a crown heights or a Soundview or castle hill or east elmhurst because people - families decided to stay in those places for 15 20 or even 30 years and now - noone can afford to stay even 10 years to rent an apt - and the crazy fukked up things is nikkas are like "well thats just how it is now" what the fukk?? you cant lament black and brown people not having influence on city policy on govt on services IF YOU DONT HAVE A STAKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD !! and the only way to have a stake is to be able to LIVE there

if you just sit there and make excuses for the machinery that is built to disenfranchise the very thing you say you treasure ( or should value ) just so they can satisfy their already rich asses by allowing their rich assed bratty kids a "doorman" bldg in the 'hood. then you will never have a Harlem except as a tourist stop for visiting people to see the smattering of black folk that maybe USED to live there .

williamsburg hell GREENPOINT residents were by and large people that were IN the neighborhood for decades and now the place is a shyt hole of transplants and the very thing that made the place worth living in is gone because the people that made the neighborhood are not there!!

you can go to park slope and see the same 5 or 6 types of place EVERY fukkING BLOCK - a cafe a yoga studio a thai place a mexican place and italian place maybe a cleaners MAYBE a grocery store and fukking consigment store ( 2nd hand /"vintage" clothes )

dont believe me roll down 5th ave from flabush up to union st - 5th ave used to have a variety of businesses and occasionally and eating place and now its a parade of mediocrity and damn near all of the places wont even be there in 4 or 5 years

the Upper west side has BLOCKS of empty storefronts because the rents are too high for even some chain places - fukking banks! cant even hold spaces - and no small businesses are getting started - you cant call someplace a neighborhood and it s got a fukkin duane reade starbucks 7-11 and CVS and Hudson news every other block for 20 blocks

and that kind of phenomena extends to poeple living there - who can start a family if the only way you can afford it is you have 5 full time working adults in the same household that is meant to hold maybe TWO adults- and thos shyt goes on because the mayor is on the take and does shyt NOT to make shyt better for the people that are there but to fatten up the pockets of already fat pocketed high end real estate developers who only want a brown face there as a selling point - they could give tow fukks about the history of harlem or preserving it unless they can turn it in to a theme ride to make you pay for it.

gaaaadamn it fukking sad to see young black men and women cosign this shyt because "white kids " are doing it and have them accept it as the "way" - your fukking neighborhood is being sold out from under you and nikkas just want to shrug their shoulders and live like white kids and not even think about the long term impact of how at 30 and 40 years of age unless you got some deep fukking pockets YOU wont be able to afford to live in the the place you grew up - where your CULTURE came from - YOU cant affrod to live there but someoen white with money can and because things are being made nice for them that means YOU are doing well???

and the white people that are living there dont give a fukk because they grew up someplace ELSE and FLED that boring fukking place to take what you have and consume it ......
 
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you know what maybe you are young or dont know shyt
but immma school you

the reason you "share" when you are young is because you dont have shyt not likely to earn shyt and really what the fukk do you care because really there is JUST you shyt

BUT

when you are out in the world and you have a career and you are earning SOME money you shouldnt be "sharing" - IOW if you arent in school anymore and you have you career - you should be BY YOURSELF earing your own way - ( a forreign concept to some of you young motherfukkers )

dig the point is not to hurt you ego the point is your self indulgence isnt the way of the world - people have to be able to live in this city in order for it to BE a city - and a mkt thats allowed to lean to nothing but you young "wanna live like you still in a fukking dorm " extended adolescent nikkas is not the world of the regular blue collar worker , or the single mother or the elderly person that has been in the neighborhood all their lives - or just the plain old i got a job and i wanna live in the neighborhood i grew up in adult.

history fact - the reason a LOT of landlords wouldnt ALLOW you to have a roommate is because they wanted to be sure you BY YOURSELF could afford the rent because people are sketchy - they want to be sure they got their money.

more people in an apartment means more wear and tear on the apt - which means i f i own it i have to pay to get it fixed
having one young fukkup in an apt is bad enough but allowing 2 others or 3 no fukking way - but now there are no independant owners there are corps owning these apts and they can give a fukk they just want to be able to jack up the rent - and jacking up the rent means high turn over and who is more high turnover than your still living in your college days dumb assed self you .

second part of your flawed comparison

when spanish and even asian immigrants do it - they are families not a bunch of strangers that hoped they got a match on Craigslist

and being a family and probably pretty poor if you DIDNT notice they eventually got the fukk OUT - so a family renting an apt and maybe sharing for a few years is what they id to eventually get a place BY THEMSELVES for their FAMILY NOT to move in with another fukking family

and generally the places that would allow a bunch of people to live in it were generally not fukking nice places in the first place - they were in shytty neighborhoods - but its was shytty becuase it was transitional and the people were poor by and large - not real poor but making it

- but now fukking white kid from Iowa thinks its a goddam ride at Six Flags - they treat staying there as an "experiece" and jack up the fukking rent for the people that HAVE TO live there when Whiteboy from Iowa gets tired and moves back to fukking Iowa or moves on because they got their trust fund money .

lemme peep you on this because THIS is THE most important part - you cant be a family and have fukking roomates - and the market is being angled not towards building apts for stable families to be there for 10 or 20 yrs or more and by extension creating neighborhoods- instead its being built to cater to new transitory douchebags that have no problem living six adults to one apt because you have a doorman downstairs

this is why your premise is flawed and your analysis is all fukked up - and its why "black' neighborhoods arent existing except as a fukking theme ride for moneyed suburban princess white girls/frat boy dikkheads that want to get tattoos and fukk brown people to "prove they are down" til they go back to fly over country to really start their lives .
Well said, breh. The condescension by some folks in this thread is unbearable. God forbid someone want to be able to afford to live in this city solo. Some of the “Y’all nikkas should have bought/own” crowd isn’t annoying as fukk and makes it seem like average joe regardless of race is able to Just buy like that.
Having roommates in NYC has long been prevalent even prior to gentrification, especially within immigrant communities. Folk's can't blame/attribute everything to gentrifiers.
No one is saying roommates weren’t common back then, we’re saying that now it’s practically a necessity where as before it was a temporary practice until one was able to move on. It’s far more common and necessary now
 
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