detective poole never investigated pac murder - his comments about the pac killing was from street people, mainly affiliated with deathrow
Murder Rap Documentary: The Untold Story of the 2pac & Biggie Murder
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detective poole never investigated pac murder - his comments about the pac killing was from street people, mainly affiliated with deathrow
Funkadelic
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He was never assigned to the case officially but he investigated it for about 15 years.
Originally he blamed Suge, but in 2014 he changed his theory.
no he didn'the was given the case to investigate biggie murder, due to the incompetent of the original detective - so they had him take over cause at the time he was like the top LA detective
pac shyt happen in a different state, da hell would a Los Angeles detective be investigating a Las Vegas homicide
Funkadelic
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he was given the case to investigate biggie murder, due to the incompetent of the original detective - so they had him take over cause at the time he was like the top LA detective
pac shyt happen in a different state, da hell would a Los Angeles detective be investigating a Las Vegas homicide
I said that he wasn't assigned to the case. We're on the same page there.
Perhaps I should've wrote that he researched the cases for 15 years, not investigated.
But from this perspective it's kind of the same thing.
You should check out Poole's work on the Tupac murder since you seem to be familiar with his Biggie work already.
IVS
Superstar
I think its obvious Puffy and Biggie knew who had Pac hit up at the Quad. Puffy's face in that Yo interview says it all. And the behavior of Biggie and Puffy after the shooting says it all.
Also, when Puff was on Drink Champs he mentioned how Mobb Deep was his interns (lil mans), so now it makes sense why they started dropping lil gems and Pac dissed them.
I think they did not like Pac because he was the king or on his way to being the king, and they did not like that he wasn't a New Yorker. Then he would not bow to JImmy Henchmen and the A-Team so they got him setup and Big and Puff were complicit..
Also, when Puff was on Drink Champs he mentioned how Mobb Deep was his interns (lil mans), so now it makes sense why they started dropping lil gems and Pac dissed them.
I think they did not like Pac because he was the king or on his way to being the king, and they did not like that he wasn't a New Yorker. Then he would not bow to JImmy Henchmen and the A-Team so they got him setup and Big and Puff were complicit..
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what work did he do on pac murder ?
again, i only heard or read him use other people comments on pac murder - nothing more nothing less
drop a link
Funkadelic
Rookie
It came down to Pac running his mouth in the news which is why they wanted him dead, you gotta realize they exposed pac to alot of people and what they did on a street level, now there's a split over this rape shyt and he talking in the media, he was too big a liability to leave out there especially with Pac realizing what happened and who set him up, he even said they had bad boy under extortion and thats why puffy was buggin out telling hot97 not to play the Martinez interview. Pac really became a target when he got out of jail and was accumulating money and power, he was taking it to them, he wanted to push them out the music business, he became bigger than bad boy on a bigger label, then add in the prospect of opening up a death row east in bad boy back yard. Crazy times.
IVS
Superstar
Word. he wanted to utterly destroy them because he knew they'd set him up tho.
Funkadelic
Rookie
George "Papa G" Pryce said Death Row East was not something they were planning to do.
At least he hadn't heard of it. And he was around every day back then.
And to add to this, there was internal conflict between Tupac and Death Row at the time.
Ol’Otis
The Picasso of the Ghetto
Yeah I remember papa g saying that
I think they were just talking shyt
Funkadelic
Rookie
It's possible.
Remember, earlier that very day he allegedly told Suge:
"I'ma cut out Makaveli and then I'm the hell up outta here. You got your money, I don't want nothin' else to do with Death Row. I'm out".
Funkadelic
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Ol’Otis
The Picasso of the Ghetto
Saw the movie some time ago and finally read the book
Been going through this thread and dapping yall players up
I was a youngin in the 90s but always been a big Pac fan since about age 13. I thought it was just music. If only I knew
This whole story is a real life Shakespearean tragedy. Y'all gotta go through history and see if there's a more interesting story because this might be GOAT. I'ma go through the timeline with an unbiased mind, y'all can correct whatever needs to be correct. This thread needs to be bumped at least 2-3 a year. Everything I write I believe is fact. Everything with a * will be my opinion.
Pac comes on the scene and is immediately public enemy #1. Not only does he talk about killing police and was indirectly involved in the killing of a child in Marin, but he also is of the (in)famous Shakur family and had an FBI file before he was born.
He befriends Biggie, an up and coming MC from New York who is signed to Puffy, a former Uptown intern who starts Bad Boy records. He teaches Biggie the startup of being a rapper, houses him, lets him perform in his shows, and tells him the key to money in rap is being a player and rapping for the women.
At the guidance of Mutulu Shakur, Pac starts Thug Life which is supposed to unify all the gangs in America. Biggie is an 'honorary' member of Thug Life while working on his album. Thug Life backfires as Pac starts to really get involved in some gangs and real street dudes These would include some people from Biggie's neighborhood in Brooklyn such as Haitian Jack, King Tut, and Jimmy Henchmen. Henchmen would also extort Puffy and Bad Boy. He wants to do the same with 2Pac who is a rising movie star as well as rap. Pac refuses which will lead to the events that will change hip hop.
ALL the while Dr Dre of NWA fame and Suge Knight create Death Row records using a combo of funds from drug dealer Harry-O (who did the same with Rap-a-lot), Ruthless money, and money from Vanilla Ice sales. They go on to create the Chronic and Doggystyle which make them the hottest label in hip hop, first time for a squad outside of NYC.
Back in NY Pac, Tut, and Jack are partying at Nells when the two introduce him to Ayanna Jackson. She gives him head on the floor, and they go back to the telly and have consensual sex. The next night she is invited back to the hotel and gives Pac a massage. Jack, Tut, and Rick bust in either gangrape her or take turns on her. Pac says hes in the other room asleep, and when he wakes up Jack says "too many nikkas, I'll handle it". Jack, Pac, and Man Man (manager) are arrested. Pac is indicted and is facing a serious bid.
A few days before sentencing (should be noted Pac was about to be sentenced and Jack hadn't even been in court yet) Pac talks to the NY Daily News and says its a conspiracy. Later that night 2Pac is called to Quad studio by Jimmy to be a guest on a Little Shawn song. Pac feels like it's a set up but sees his friend Cease so thinks it's all good.
*Moments before, Jimmy says in a room with Shawn and Puff that Pac has been talking too much and won't sign to Bad Boy so we're going to scare him and take his chains.*
Pac gets to the studio and after getting on the elevator gets stuck up by guys in fatigues (known Brooklyn gear). Pac reaches for his strap and they start blasting.
*I'm convinced Pac shot himself, and the shooters might have purposely missed vital organs when they shot back. You can't tell me they missed point blank in the head and legsI personally believe that they saw him fight back which was unexpected and protected themselves but didn't kill him, just my opinion
*
Pac heads upstairs to the studio and sees Jimmy and asks why he set him up. Everyone is silent even though it looks like Jimmy and Puffy and Shawn are surprised to see him shot up, not scared for his life. *I think Puff did not have Pac shot the first time, but he definitely knew a robbery was going to happen.*
Pac then goes to court IN A BANDAGE AND WHEELCHAIR surrounded by Muslims and is found guilty. Pac wants to know from Biggie and Puff what exactly happened, but they are silent. Meanwhile, both are still hanging around Jimmy, and his main man Stretch is still hanging around Biggie, even though now of them have seen him in jail.
At a club in Atlanta, there is an altercation between a Bad Boy shooter and a Death Row shooter. It an be concluded that it is somewhat gang related as Suge is a piru and Puff has been associated with Crips since 93. Wolf (killed later in ATL by Meech and BMF) kils Suges best friend and there is not a strain between the two.
In 95 at the Source awards in NY, Suge calls out Puff and shout outs 2Pac, and Snoop Calls out NY. What many do not know is that during the Death Row set a cut out of 2Pac is visible in the mock jail cells.
While 2Pac is in jail, Biggie is blowing up. Taking the formula that Pac showed him, rapping about being a player and a don and making rap/R&B hits. Pac knows that only a year ago BIG was rapping about being on the corner and now he's a don, and he's not shouting out Pac or Thug Life anymore.
While locked up, MATW which was recorded before he went in is released and goes #1. It is a very personal album, and tells of him having dreams of being set up, robbed, and shot; all of which happened. In jail Pac says thug life is dead and sounds like a changed person. Puff mocks him saying that you can't keep flipping like that, NY radio disses him, and Wendy Williams starts a rumor he got raped. Biggie drops 'Who Shot ya' which was recoded before, but has the lines "You rewind this Bad Boy's behind this". The only people supporting him our white celebrities from hollywood and West Coast artists. Seeing that NY has given up on him, he signs to Death Row in exchanged for getting bailed out.
*I imagine after signing Pac and Suge have a convo where Suge says something along the lines of "Puff killed my man" and Pac says "He knows them nikkas who shot me and is getting extorted!"* They then decide to go to war. Suge will be the money and the muscle, Pac will be the mouth piece.
During 95-96 there are many instances that heighten the war
Pac disses Bad Boy every chance he gets. There's rumors of a pic of Puff's kids on Suge's lap. There's many pics of Pac and Puff's girl Sara together. Suge beats up a Bad Boy guy badly trying to get his address.
Then Pac records a song called Hit Em Up dissing the song Playas Anthem. BIGs wife Faith Evans is in the studio and runs back to NY and tells BIG and he records Get Money using the same beat. Pac hears this and goes crazy and re-records Hit Em Up (now including major disses like Bad Boy Killa, I fukked your wife, etc etc). *I personally believe Pac slept with Faith too. That's too low of a blow not to be able to back up with truth, plus Faith was working with Death Row and staying in LA a lot. Plus in every interview she was dissing BIG for cheating all the time.*
Puff at this time fearing for his safety puts a $1M hit on Suge's head. *I believe Puff (maybe drunk or just angry or whatever) lashed out and said I want Suge dead Idc what the cost make it a million. This might have not been a literal million dollars but basiclly saying I will pay anything to have this guy gone. Pac is also placed on the list after Hit Em Up. Remember, yelling Bad Boy killer on every song was a serious thing. Keefe D, an OG crip who works with Puff from time to time accepts the hit.
Death Row heads to Vegas on 9/7/96 to see the Tyson fight. Afterwards Tray Lane says that the crip in front of them stole his DR chain in the mall months back. It is rumored that Puff put a bounty on DR chains. Pac rushes him and he Orlando Anderson is beat. Anderson is the nephew of Keffe D, the OG crip who is close with Puff and is aware of the hit. The choose to act on it now, and are given a gun from ZIP, a Harlem drug dealer close to Puff, and in a drive by shoot Pac and Suge. Suge stares at Keffe because he knows him. Suge tells no one to talk to the police because he already knows its some street ish. Pac dies a week later, even though it was always assume he would live. The Makeveli album is later released, dissing Puff and BIG, while also going at Jimmy Henchmen.
Keffe D says he is never given the money, from neither Zip or Puff. *You know this is a goddamn lie. Keffe is smart, never mentions getting money. He did security for Bad Boy for 'concert tickets, and wasn't paid a half milli and let is slide. Keffe knows that the IRS don't play*
After the death of 2Pac, Biggie begins to reside in LA for weeks at time record his album LAD. He gets in a car accident and begins trying to get his life back in order. No more beefs, heal his body, and get his fam back together.
In March there are the Soul Train awards in LA and after party that Puff wants to go to. Big wants no part but goes anyway. Although BIG is "done" with the beef, he has recently laid down a freestyle with Swat talking reckless about Pac after his death At the afterparty there are a mix of crips and bloods in the building, along with the Nation and FOI. After getting his car an impala pulls up and shoots him. BIG is dead, and junior mafia is left in Cali with their dead friend. Puff hops on a place back to NY after 3 hours leaving a teenage Cease dealing with the BIG situation.
It's later determined that Suge Knight has orchestrated the hit from prison through a girlfiend and a shooter named Poochie. In retaliation for all the beef, Wolf shooting, the Pac killing, and getting shot in the head, Suge has BIG killed in revenge in LA. It just so happens that BIG is gunned down a block from the DR offices. Poochie is later killed in the 2000s, similar to the way Orlando is killed in Compton in 98.
My god that era was lit
Everybody's dead or in jail, except Puff. He will never go down for this. Never. Pac rushing Orlando sealed a direct retaliation motive for the crips. Puff is in the clear
This is the best example I can think of in which one minor issue spiraled out of control. 2 non-factor in each camp in Atlanta is the reason for a civil war, and two brothers dead at the end.
The tragedy is 2Pac. The Don killuminati had jewels on it, and he was only going to get better. He said himse;f "first I gotta giv them what they wanna hear (AEOM), and then I can give them what they need. It feels like losing Malcolm Little before he became X. I think BIG would have left hip hop, had his own label and would be chillin. This era has great music, great entertainment, and great characters. Something this connect won't happen again.
i understand some of this is opinion or what you perceive as fact
so let me clear up a few
- pac aint show, teach, school or whatever u wanna call it : biggie how to rap - this is complete bullshyt same as pac telling him what type if music to make when pac himself basically didnt to that type of music (all pac did was give advice to biggie to listen to puff - cause puff had to persuade biggie to rap over that mtume juicy fruit track)
- its never been any proof of biggie being part if Thug Life -not even sure if i even every heard him even say 'Thug Life'
- puff was not getting extorted 1- this was 1994, how much money do u really think puff was worth back then 2- puff was related to & pops was a slain harlem hustler with ties to big time nikkaz in da street (with family & major connections it's no way he was getting extorted)
- puff & biggie wasn't part of quad set up - puff didn't know pac was coming to the studio that night
- pac shots himself & himself only - dem nikkaz never fired a single shot
it's a few more things that not accurate, but i just wanted to touch base on the main ones