Murder is the leading cause of death for Black men under 44

[OfTheCross]

I just explained how the percentage is number is meaningless in the post you just quoted. We could technically reduce the murder rate and still have percentage in that study increase. Its not a reflection of volume. Plus again you mentioned proportion to other races as well, which is not addressed either.
but whatever, clearly i came in here to debate that study while the rest of you want to take it face value and debate black people instead. so go head without me.

I get you, breh...you'd rather focus on something else because 3000 Black men being murdered a year is not that large of a number when the population is 40 million.

The reason that this concerns me, and others, though, is because any one of us could be next. Be it a targeted or for catching a stray, and it greatly lowers the quality of life in our communities.

The lower the number, the safer our streets, the better our neighborhoods, the higher our quality of life.

 

[Wildhundreds]

This and only this. Any other "suggestions" or "theories" are moot and just a way to dance around the corner issue(s).... namely, we have no fukking culture . Simple as that. Until that changes , nothing changes

Thats why I said the removal of our original culture, when we were put into slavery, was the greatest atrocity you can do to a people. Culture is what holds a nation together through the roughest time. It makes us have a sense of pride no matter what anyone says about you. Thats why I say family structure is so so critical because it acts as a bandaid when culture isn't available to us.

 

[Luke Cage]

when comparing anything across groups you have to use percentages unless the groups are of equal size. This is about comparison and either way you look at it it's not good.

The study was not comparing groups to each other.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

its exactly what worked for me

and what is the community? who is it working for truly? you cannot focus on some amorphous, revolving door of people who cannot objectively have your best interest at heart while also wholly investing in yourself.

it didn't work for you because you haven't escaped systematic racism or being targeted by other brehs because you are Black. you can delude yourself all you want. you know what a community is regardless of how you feel about them you are bound to them, the people you come from. reality

 

[Luke Cage]

I get you, breh...you'd rather focus on something else because 3000 Black men being murdered a year is not that large of a number when the population is 40 million.

The reason that this concerns me, and others, though, is because any one of us could be next. Be it a targeted or for catching a stray, and it greatly lowers the quality of life in our communities.

The lower the number, the safer our streets, the better our neighborhoods, the higher our quality of life.

Not really about what i would rather do, I debate stuff like that in other threads all the time. Just this one in particular was about the OP's study for me.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Start snitching

 

[UpNext]

civilians reporting crime should have never been referred to as that and furthermore i don't know why street rules became seemingly the only code of conduct people have.

start telling... yes. if you a law abiding citizen do not protect criminals because they look like you.

People aren't telling because they don't want to get caught telling or have to testify due to the very real danger that causes them. Nobody's trying to protect these clowns fam. Jesus

 

[Luke Cage]

Your first point is somewhat correct except that your making assumption that everyone is talking about volume. Sure, some people may be talking about volume, but I don’t think that’s the case for most. Percentage of deaths being a result of murder is enough cause for concern because it means of all the ways black people can die, murder is most likely. That is not the case for any other group. We can safely assume that the total number of deaths isn’t very low, so that argument isn’t very strong. Furthermore, someone has provided additional data to support some of the unrelated claims anymore, more akin to volume. So continuing to say that OP doesn’t prove it is a bit disingenuous considering data to support that separate point has been provided.

Your second point is more of a personal issue and isn’t completely accurate either. All young people EXCEPT for black men die of similar causes… suicide and accidents. Young black men die primarily from murder, then suicide and accidents significantly trail behind murder. I believe it’s poverty (which has its own systemic causes) more than culture, but I do think certain parts of young street culture (not black culture as a whole) exacerbate the issue.

This part is incorrect, as it showed that each group in the study had murder in the top 3 causes of death. except i think one group(i think whites) had it only in the top 5. pacific islanders had both murder and accidents combined as the leading cause of death in the number one category.
and yes i understand someone posted other studies that better coincide with the arguments being made in this thread. Not disputing those just the responses to the OP.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

People aren't telling because they don't want to get caught telling or have to testify due to the very real danger that causes them. Nobody's trying to protect these clowns fam. Jesus

plenty of times you can snitch anonymously man. stop it.

 

[UpNext]

plenty of times you can snitch anonymously man. stop it.

And black people call the police anonymously all the time.

 

[42 Monks]

it didn't work for you because you haven't escaped systematic racism or being targeted by other brehs because you are Black. you can delude yourself all you want. you know what a community is regardless of how you feel about them you are bound to them, the people you come from. reality

There's no way you're fighting all of that with the current hand. But you can go from a bad situation to a better one - and the fact that its such a substantial hurdle shouldn't be slapped with a reductionist quip lol

Like this is what I mean. You cannot expect anything like some systemic upheaval when black men killing black men is what's chopping the legs out of any kind of genuine growth we're gonna need for several generations. If you can't appreciate the individuals making it from one plateau that's horrific to another where they can sustain themselves finally, then you're putting the cart before the horse and have lost the narrative.

 

[69 others]

The study was not comparing groups to each other.

it does not have to explicitly say that. but the reason why it's in percentage is cause you can compare a group that's 100million to one that's 50million. if not it would have just put the numbers. i.e 2000 black males under 44 die from murders and 3000 whites and have no idea in proportion to their overall population.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

The sad thing is how it’s become so normal to us. There’s always been violence in my city but they doing shyt at places and times they never would have in the past. There’s been two shootings less than a half mile from my house just in the past week. Both at different shopping centers while the sun was still up. shyt is crazy. But the shyt has become so normal that I actually have more fear of some white supremacist coming thru randomly shooting up some place I’m at when the odds of that happening are way less

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Ban rap music.

Crime rate was very bad before rap

 

[Born2BKing]

Lack of after school programs is the problem.