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Okay, so Pac would've flopped without mentioning Biggie,is that better lol?


I don't see the point of you saying that,unless you are trying to paint the narrative Pac wouldn't have sold without mentioning Biggie. But that too would be a hypothetical that you supposedly hate:mjlol:?

Smart people can use past evidence to see the more likely scenario. Pac flopping post jail,with a smash single,on the biggest label if he didn't mention Biggie? Or Pac AT LEAST going double platinum like he did the previous album? Which isn't exactly somebody who "needs help" selling records lol



He's still running from the emcee talk y'all. Why did Biggie call Nas who you tried to discredit for help,against Pac who you also tried to discredit. He won't answer:wow:

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It all goes back to me quoting the guy who said Pac was the best to ever do it and me pointing out Pac used Biggie to promote All Eyes On Me & Makaveli. The comparison is who is the best between the two. Pac used Biggie because Biggies energy was heavy. But Biggie never used Pac because he didn't need to. FACTS. That's why Biggie gets the edge over Pac. We can't talk about what would have happened if Pac never mentioned Biggie because that's not how it went. No hypotheticals. All actual history.
 

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nikka no. U are talking about the MARCH issue. Which would have dropped in February not 2 months ahead.
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I never said anything about 2 months ahead. You just lied and made that up. in NYC The Source would drop the last week before the month actually hit. So the March 96 issue (which drops in February 96) would have hit the news stands the last week of January 96. It would drop a few days before February hit. Not the middle of February like you claimed.
 

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I never said anything about 2 months ahead. You just lied and made that up. in NYC The Source would drop the last week before the month actually hit. So the March 96 issue (which drops in February 96) would have hit the news stands the last week of January 96. It would drop a few days before February hit. Not the middle of February like you claimed.
Regardless ur whole point is still wack. U acting like Pac NEEDED Biggie to sell records is wild AF.
 

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It all goes back to me quoting the guy who said Pac was the best to ever do it and me pointing out Pac used Biggie to promote All Eyes On Me & Makaveli. The comparison is who is the best between the two. Pac used Biggie because Biggies energy was heavy. But Biggie never used Pac because he didn't need to. FACTS. That's why Biggie gets the edge over Pac. We can't talk about what would have happened if Pac never mentioned Biggie because that's not how it went. No hypotheticals. All actual history.



The west coast energy/Death Row is the reason the East needed a savior. To the point they exhaulted Biggie over Nas. Simply because he had a better chance at being that commercial answer to the west.

Yet you think the same energy that gave Biggie life(Deathrow). Wouldn't have allowed Pac to thrive like it did everyone else who touched the label:mjlol:. Sounds like a reach,but if Pac flopping is what you saw in the cards:hubie:
 

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I swear I hear rap the exact same way this kid does, lol, salute to him for this. A lot of people don’t catch certain patterns and word gymnastics and shhit unless it’s straightforward, normal, Jadakiss/Fab/Eminem/AZ/etc… which is fire…but I’m way more into and impressed by the scattered shhit that’s not so redundant sounding.

Biggie and Nas are masters if that’s your twist, especially prime-Nas. Willie the Kid is another one, not to mention him with them lol. Pusha T heavy too. Etc…Fun watch for anybody into lyricism/Big. I think Nas got him in the storytelling department but “A Story to Tell” and “Nigs Bleed” are better than “Rewind” imho, I know that sounds crazy (he told a story backwards!!!), you probably right, just my opinion 🤷🏽‍♂️


@Pop123 in terms of storytelling what would you say are Nas and Biggie's top 10 each?
 

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I know exactly what you saying, 😳. That’s kinda Nas biggest hindrance as an MC, his voice inflection and tonality and all that is pretty much static, some people don’t “feel” him like a Pac or Big, etc. And when he attempts to incorporate those aspects it sounds kinda corny lol, see “Who Kilt It” for starters.

I didn’t really like the screaming on “One Mic”, in a vacuum, either…but the song and energy going low and high, low and high like that was dope tho. Nas, lyrically…the vividness, is what makes him arguably the best storyteller in rap tho, Biggie is vivid and detailed too but Nas is lyrically better, imo.
Blaze A 50 kills this whole argument imo. Nas has so many storytelling tracks in many different cadences and flows. Nas isnt a boring storyteller at all imo. If we gonna take it there. I can say DMX is a more entertaining storyteller than Biggie if it's all about cadence etc etc. look at shyt like ATF, to Damien, to Slippin, to How's It Goin Down, to Crime Story.
 

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The west coast energy/Death Row is the reason the East needed a savior. To the point they exhaulted Biggie over Nas. Simply because he had a better chance at being that commercial answer to the west.

Yet you think the same energy that gave Biggie life(Deathrow). Wouldn't have allowed Pac to thrive like it did everyone else who touched the label:mjlol:. Sounds like a reach,but if Pac flopping is what you saw in the cards:hubie:
nikka tried to throw shade that's all. nikka one of them extreme Biggie fans that act like no one else would be successful without him.
 

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Regardless ur whole point is still wack. U acting like Pac NEEDED Biggie to sell records is wild AF.



More lies. I never said he "needed" Biggie. That's you just making up more lies. I said that Pac used Biggie to help sell records but Biggie never used Pac to sell no records. And that if Pac used Biggie then it's Biggie with the advantage as being the best. Pac used Biggie as a cheat code.

You called it wack but that's how the actual events happened and that truth has you seething. :umad:


I'm done with this back and forth but you can have the final word.
 

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Blaze A 50 kills this whole argument imo. Nas has so many storytelling tracks in many different cadences and flows. Nas isnt a boring storyteller at all imo. If we gonna take it there. I can say DMX is a more entertaining storyteller than Biggie if it's all about cadence etc etc. look at shyt like ATF, to Damien, to Slippin, to How's It Goin Down, to Crime Story.
Look blaze 50 is lyrically great but wtf. The nikka literally doesn't change pace or cadence during the whole song. shyt is like run on sentence. A good way to prove this is to make people who don't got English as a first language to listen to Nas songs. Because they don't get most of the lyrics the shyt is boring cause he ain't giving much more than dope lyrics.
 

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More lies. I never said he "needed" Biggie. That's you just making up more lies. I said that Pac used Biggie to help sell records but Biggie never used Pac to sell no records. And that if Pac used Biggie then it's Biggie with the advantage as being the best. Pac used Biggie as a cheat code.

You called it wack but that's how the actual events happened and that truth has you seething. :umad:


I'm done with this back and forth but you can have the final word.


Well Biggie needed Puffy to help him craft hits. Pac was a hit maker on his own. Since we are just dropping useless facts to discredit that have nothing to do with rapping.:sas1:


At least that statement actually isn't completely off topic. Since we are talking about rapping & crafting songs. Having one of the best producers at the time helps with that.

Jay didn't
cube didn't
Nas didn't
Sigel didnt

He still don't wanna talk about rap y'all:wow:
 

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The west coast energy/Death Row is the reason the East needed a savior. To the point they exhaulted Biggie over Nas. Simply because he had a better chance at being that commercial answer to the west.

Yet you think the same energy that gave Biggie life(Deathrow). Wouldn't have allowed Pac to thrive like it did everyone else who touched the label:mjlol:. Sounds like a reach,but if Pac flopping is what you saw in the cards:hubie:


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You don't know Hip Hop history. The East was doing just fine when Death Row took off. When The Chronic was hot we had Onyx, Redman and Naughty killing the game. When Doggystyle dropped, we had 36 Chambers, Black Moons debut, Midnight Marauders and Salt N Peppa had hits on top of hits and sold multi platinum. Lords Of The Underground had hits on top of hits. In the movie Poetic Justice, Pac was singing "Gangsta bytch" by Apache when he was trolling Janet while driving because that was a huge song in 93. Latifah killing the game with 2 major hit songs. 93 was a big year for New Jersey. Veterans, Run DMCs Down With The King video had Eazy E all up in the video and the album was the first Hip Hop album to have super producers even tho people think it was Illmatic that did that first. And LL had hits from that 14 shots album. And lets not forget Ice Cube grabbing Das Efx for the Check Yo Self song and Eazy E getting Naughty on the song and producing the song "Only If You Want It" on top of Eazy being all up in the "Hip Hop Hooray" video.

Yeah West Coast had a big year in 93 but this myth as if the East still wasn't killing the game that same year can get the bozack. We didn't need a savior in 94 because we never went anywhere. FACTS.
 

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Biggie was good but he got the ultimate "dying while your hot stimulus pkg" and I'm not being disrespectful but wasn't nobody saying he was the best to ever to it in 1996 or even Feb 97. But he got killed after Pac which was still a huge and relevant topic in hip hop at the time. Then he gets killed and all of a sudden he's the best ever in a lot of ppls eyes. Nah but I get it, but nah.
 

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Look blaze 50 is lyrically great but wtf. The nikka literally doesn't change pace or cadence during the whole song. shyt is like run on sentence. A good way to prove this is to make people who don't got English as a first language to listen to Nas songs. Because they don't get most of the lyrics the shyt is boring cause he ain't giving much more than dope lyrics.
It wasn’t a run on sentence at all but let me ask u something. Is DMX a better Storyteller than Biggie?
 

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You don't know Hip Hop history. The East was doing just fine when Death Row took off. When The Chronic was hot we had Onyx, Redman and Naughty killing the game. When Doggystyle dropped, we had 36 Chambers, Black Moons debut, Midnight Marauders and Salt N Peppa had hits on top of hits and sold multi platinum. Lords Of The Underground had hits on top of hits. In the movie Poetic Justice, Pac was singing "Gangsta bytch" by Apache when he was trolling Janet while driving because that was a huge song in 93. Latifah killing the game with 2 major hit songs. 93 was a big year for New Jersey. Veterans, Run DMCs Down With The King video had Eazy E all up in the video and the album was the first Hip Hop album to have super producers even tho people think it was Illmatic that did that first. And LL had hits from that 14 shots album. And lets not forget Ice Cube grabbing Das Efx for the Check Yo Self song and Eazy E getting Naughty on the song and producing the song "Only If You Want It" on top of Eazy being all up in the "Hip Hop Hooray" video.

Yeah West Coast had a big year in 93 but this myth as if the East still wasn't killing the game that same year can get the bozack. We didn't need a savior in 94 because we never went anywhere. FACTS.


nikkas who probably wasn't selling a quarter of what Pac sold is "fine" now? Sounds like they needed help to me:mjlol:


Did you really mention Apache? Black Moon lol? Then the other half of your list is damn legacy acts by that time in LL,Run DMC,Queen Latifah smh? Was Salt N Pepa going to help y'all compete for hip-hop supremacy with "Schoop"?

The west coast was the talk of the nation. And I'm throwing Bone Thugs in since people thought they were from the west and they were Eazy artist. When your used to being number one,number 2 isn't "fine". The hate at the time wasn't coming from nowhere. The East wanted it's spot back.

The East was about as relevant as the bay based on your list,other than the east being able to create media narratives. New York was not "fine" being the bay in terms of popularity:mjlol:. Biggie was exhaulted as a counter to Deathrow at Nas expense.
 
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