Murda Mook says Biggie is the best ever and it’s not close…

[Plankton]

nikkas who probably wasn't selling a quarter of what Pac sold is "fine" now? Sounds like they needed help to me


Did you really mention Apache? Black Moon lol? Then the other half of your list is damn legacy acts by that time in LL,Run DMC,Queen Latifah smh? Was Salt N Pepa going to help y'all compete for hip-hop supremacy with "Schoop"?

The west coast was the talk of the nation. And I'm throwing Bone Thugs in since people thought they were from the west and they were Eazy artist. When your used to being number one,number 2 isn't "fine". The hate at the time wasn't coming from nowhere. The East wanted it's spot back.

The East was about as relevant as the bay based on your list,other than the east being able to create media narratives. New York was not "fine" being the bay in terms of popularity. Biggie was exhaulted as a counter to Deathrow at Nas expense.

Redman, Onyx, Naughty, Tribe, Wu Tang....All sold platinum from their 1993 albums. This is why I said you don't know Hip Hop history if you think the east needed any help. We were doing just fine.

Talking about Legacy acts and then mentioning Latifah as if Dr Dre didn't come out before Latifah. When trying to revise history goes wrong.

I dismissed Billboard but you kept trying to spin this album sales angle so when I bring up Salt N Pepa sold 5 million, you downplay it because it destroyed your lies about the east needing some sorta help before Biggie.. That just confirms you are trolling. Both Dre and Salt N Pepa sold 5 million but it counts when it's Dre but we downplaying Salt N Pepa. FOH. And then you say "Im going to add Bone Thugs into the west because blah blah blah" I can't take you serious once you start doing that.

You can have the final word. I'm done. Your trolling destroyed me taking you serious on this topic.

 

[MikeStamina]

People Really Really underrate Longevity. Smh

Who started out hotter than Rakim, BDK, 50, DMX, DOC

Big Pun second album was nowhere near the first . If anybody told you in 98 DMX run will be a short one, you would have thought you seen your first Alien.

Assuming Biggie would have simply kept the flame going is a HUGE ASSUMPTION

I can't give you Goat title off 2 albums. I'm sorry

We gotta judge on results not potential
Hence why Nas remains in the pole position. With Jay close behind

 

[AllHolosEve]

No
It all goes back to me quoting the guy who said Pac was the best to ever do it and me pointing out Pac used Biggie to promote All Eyes On Me & Makaveli. The comparison is who is the best between the two. Pac used Biggie because Biggies energy was heavy. But Biggie never used Pac because he didn't need to. FACTS. That's why Biggie gets the edge over Pac. We can't talk about what would have happened if Pac never mentioned Biggie because that's not how it went. No hypotheticals. All actual history.

-I gotta admit, this is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard in my life. I assume from what you've been saying this is some shyt from an east coast revisionist lens. When Pac dropped I don't know anybody (online or offline) that gave a fukk about the source or bought the album waiting for Biggie disses. Pac was already on people's minds, dropping a double album was a big deal & the shyt had hits.

-You bought that shyt thinking about Biggie?

 

[Plankton]

-I gotta admit, this is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard in my life. I assume from what you've been saying this is some shyt from an east coast revisionist lens. When Pac dropped I don't know anybody (online or offline) that gave a fukk about the source or bought the album waiting for Biggie disses. Pac was already on people's minds, dropping a double album was a big deal & the shyt had hits.

-You bought that shyt thinking about Biggie?

But I spoke facts. Lie to yourself all you want but there was much more then just The Source where Pac used Biggie to promote his album.

When Pac debuted California Love the video on MTV in the middle of January 96, they had a little behind the scenes footage before debuting the video. Pac took shots at Biggie during that footage. FACTS. The scene where he was counting money and name dropped Biggie and Bad Boy and then winks when he mentions Faith Evans, and Suge started laughing. Pac was hyping up the beef right there. This was like a good month before the album dropped.

And someone already brought up the intro to the Americas Most Wanted video. Had Biggie and Puff look a likes all in the intro. And that roasted pig on the table was supposed to represent Biggie.

That's 2 visuals from 2 singles turned videos that have nothing to do with The Source magazine and all of this was before Hit Em Up. So yes, 2 visuals that you couldn't avoid if you were really paying attention to Pac in early 96. You couldn't avoid Pac throwing Biggie in the mix to promote All Eyes On Me. If you say otherwise then you are doing revisionist history and weren't around in 1996 or you weren't really into 2pac like that in 96.

Again, Pac used Biggie to promote his albums in 96, Biggie never used Pac to promote albums so that gives Biggie the edge as being the best.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Sidebar: Anybody else think Pusha T is eerily similar to Big with the raps? May be just me and how I listen to the shhit, . Totally different voice and presence so it’s easy to miss, but the bars are madd similar, I can hear that Big is probably his inspiration in rap.

Pusha was deliberately trying to rap like Biggie on Hell hath No Fury, even said so himself. Especially on Too Trill

 

[FunkDoc1112]

96-97 Jayz is another off the charts raw talent, sometimes I think he was at the top…then I revisit some Prime Nas surreal rapping shhit and be like nahh, Nas easy. Then I bump into a Biggie radio freestyle…etc. All 3 deserve all the reverence they get (You know I agree with you tho, lol, prime Esco the one)

Jay's best rapping performance:

 

[Jasonmask]

Not enough music for me to put him as the best.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I appreciate the scattered rhyme play

Prodigy was another one who was great at that, it felt like dude would pull out rhymes at the most unexpected parts of the bar

Hell on Earth was a once in a lifetime performance on mic from start to finish

Hell On Earth Prodigy to me was a top 3 MC ever.

I love Big, but prodigy second verse on hell on earth, to me, is the greatest set of bars I have ever heard

 

[FunkDoc1112]

What I posted was facts and It was written was number 1 for weeks in the summer of 96 and he did it while he was alive. Nas wasn’t some little dude. He was right there with Pac and Big 94-96

Biggie popped off sooner and Nas had to follow Ready to Die's formula. Ready to Die and Illmatic had the same first week sales but albums were slow burners back then if you weren't an established artist or had a big lead single. Ready to Die's sales picked up because of Big Poppa and One More Chance while Illmatic stalled out...sure bootlegging caused some of that but it didn't have HITS

 

[AllHolosEve]

But I spoke facts. Lie to yourself all you want but there was much more then just The Source where Pac used Biggie to promote his album.
When Pac debuted California Love the video on MTV in the middle of January 96, they had a little behind the scenes footage before debuting the video. Pac took shots at Biggie during that footage. FACTS. The scene where he was counting money and name dropped Biggie and Bad Boy and then winks when he mentions Faith Evans, and Suge started laughing. Pac was hyping up the beef right there. This was like a good month before the album dropped.
And someone already brought up the intro to the Americas Most Wanted video. Had Biggie and Puff look a likes all in the intro. And that roasted pig on the table was supposed to represent Biggie.
That's 2 visuals from 2 singles turned videos that have nothing to do with The Source magazine and all of this was before Hit Em Up. So yes, 2 visuals that you couldn't avoid if you were really paying attention to Pac in early 96. You couldn't avoid Pac throwing Biggie in the mix to promote All Eyes On Me. If you say otherwise then you are doing revisionist history and weren't around in 1996 or you weren't really into 2pac like that in 96.
Again, Pac used Biggie to promote his albums in 96, Biggie never used Pac to promote albums so that gives Biggie the edge as being the best.

-Breh Pac was my favorite rapper in '96 & was the favorite rapper of like 80% of the people I knew. He was already being called the realest rapper after MATW & Thug Life. Him being on Death row with Dre & Snoop was major, dropping a double album was major. Again, nobody I knew or talked to about music got that shyt because fake Biggie or Puff. If you did it's whatever, I still find it hilarious.

-All that aside. Thinking that somehow gives Biggie an edge in music is ridiculous. That shyt doesn't have anything to do with their skills or the quality of their music.

 

[L. Deezy]

Biggie popped off sooner and Nas had to follow Ready to Die's formula. Ready to Die and Illmatic had the same first week sales but albums were slow burners back then if you weren't an established artist or had a big lead single. Ready to Die's sales picked up because of Big Poppa and One More Chance while Illmatic stalled out...sure bootlegging caused some of that but it didn't have HITS

Stop...

Ready to Die as is didnt pop Big.. it was the remixes and features

Total..112..etc.. One More Chance remix...

 

[Plankton]

-Breh Pac was my favorite rapper in '96 & was the favorite rapper of like 80% of the people I knew. He was already being called the realest rapper after MATW & Thug Life. Him being on Death row with Dre & Snoop was major, dropping a double album was major. Again, nobody I knew or talked to about music got that shyt because fake Biggie or Puff. If you did it's whatever, I still find it hilarious.

-All that aside. Thinking that somehow gives Biggie an edge in music is ridiculous. That shyt doesn't have anything to do with their skills or the quality of their music.

"Whats important is.....what 's important is"
"Who was that Piggie" "Oh that was Faith, she's always checking up on me"

How the hell was that not a conversation starter among ya boys? Y'all obviously weren't really into Hip Hop if that wasn't something that wasn't brought up at some point when talking about that video when it dropped.


And if you don't understand how Pac having to use Biggie to promote his album gives Biggie the edge then you just don't know Hip Hop history. It's the old strategy of using someone who is popular and/or loved to get momentum and to get people talking.(Thats why you sound off saying ya boys weren't talking about Pac getting at Biggie) Kool Moe Dee did it with Busy Bee....BDP did it with Shan......Tim Dog did it to NWA......50 Cent did it to the whole industry with "How To Rob"...Jay Z did it to Nas. Remy did it to Nicki. Obviously you are unfamiliar with this tradition because every time it was done by a rapper it was for promo.



Let me also add....Pac was going to use Biggie to promote Makaveli in his original back cover. All thru out 96 Pac was using Biggie as promo because Biggie was the top dawg and Pac was aiming at the crown. Thats why Biggie gets the edge because Pac knew who had the crown and went after it.

 

[2ATMsYouSteppinOrWhat]

anybody saying he dont got the catalog

your favorite rapper dont got 1 S tier classic. let alone 2 of them shyts.

life after death & ready to die is like playing the game with cheatcodes

add all the other shyt he did on no way out and the jm shyt. yeah it aint close

 

[2ATMsYouSteppinOrWhat]

Hell On Earth Prodigy to me was a top 3 MC ever.

I love Big, but prodigy second verse on hell on earth, to me, is the greatest set of bars I have ever heard

hoe p is probably the most rapper ever

 

[Jasonmask]

anybody saying he dont got the catalog

your favorite rapper dont got 1 S tier classic. let alone 2 of them shyts.

life after death & ready to die is like playing the game with cheatcodes

add all the other shyt he did on no way out and the jm shyt. yeah it aint close

There’s no two albums that can determine someone being the best in music. I think you need 3 classics and I don’t like LAD like that.