"Mr. Robot" Season 4 Official Thread

[OJ Simpsom]

Episode was filler. That carley rae jepson song was a terrible choice for this show.

Badass can't roll a joint for shyt. Sounded like he was rolling sand.

 

[nyknick]

I'm searching for that flick as soon as this is over

Wait you post in The Film Room but have never seen Three Days of the Condor?

 

[Zero]

This ignores situation entirely. Dom is way more attached to Darlene than vice versa (Dom has zero personal attachments, so of course she can't get over someone she slept with). Darlene has been struggling with crossing lines/being a good person and desperately doesn't want to get to where she was (killing the lawyer in her house/people dying) again. Dom said the exact thing to her that she never wanted to face, that she was a horrible person destroying good peoples lives. Darlene was trying to find redemption via doing everything she could to undo what she did to Dom, Dom was struggling with the fact that the only person in the world she's not related to she feels ANYTHING for is her Alexa and the woman that ruined her life. Their bond is fukked up but it's strong.

And they did NOT run away with each other. That's the point. The only reason they were going to was the Dark Army. In reality Darlene wanted to go because she's co-dependent, thought she was saving Dom's life, and finally found an out from the downward spiral she'd been in dealing with the dark army and her morality. Dom was only going because she thought it was the only way to save her family.

Once that got taken away look how quickly the idea of "them" fell apart. Darlene in the bathroom realizes she can take care of herself, and Dom on the plane knows Darlene isn't coming but she needs to go anyway, because the life she was stuck in was worse than death.

Dom's family is fine. She's in no danger, but she has nothing to do back to than her life which was just loneliness and misery. There's no reason to stay.

Ditto for Darlene. Dom is safe. There's no more fear of blood on her hands, and she's not afraid of being alone (being with Elliot is basically being alone), but her family is back there and needs her help so she's staying.

This episode was them processing their shyt and growing as people. One has no more reason to fight (started the episode thinking she did), whereas another realizes she has it in her to fight (started the episode feeling utterly finished).



It's like you missed everything family I don't know what else to tell you

Esmail on his One Upon A Time In Hollywood steeze. Discussing the episode is better than actually watching it.

Wait you post in The Film Room but have never seen Three Days of the Condor?

No, Leon, I haven't

 

[Payroll]

That was fun"

Gyp still ain't shyt.

 

[KalKal]

The day after XMAS

I didn't realize it until I read this post.
It's BOXING DAY:
Boxing Day - Wikipedia

The term "Christmas box" dates back to the 17th century, and among other things meant:

A present or gratuity given at Christmas: in Great Britain, usually confined to gratuities given to those who are supposed to have a vague claim upon the donor for services rendered to him as one of the general public by whom they are employed and paid, or as a customer of their legal employer; the undefined theory being that as they have done offices for this person, for which he has not directly paid them, some direct acknowledgement is becoming at Christmas.[4]

In Britain, it was a custom for tradesmen to collect "Christmas boxes" of money or presents on the first weekday after Christmas as thanks for good service throughout the year.[5] This is mentioned in Samuel Pepys' diary entry for 19 December 1663.[6] This custom is linked to an older British tradition where the servants of the wealthy were allowed the next day to visit their families since they would have to serve their masters on Christmas Day. The employers would give each servant a box to take home containing gifts, bonuses, and sometimes leftover food. Until the late 20th century there continued to be a tradition among many in the UK to give a Christmas gift, usually cash, to vendors although not on Boxing Day as many would not work on that day.

I haven’t seen this episode. Show is absolutely trash.

Did we just see a transition between two personalities?

 

[Gus Money]

This motel scene with Leon and Dom is one of the funniest things I’ve watched all year. Is my guy watching Land Before Time???

“Oh, hey.”

 

[Jx2]

Just watching this episode now...

I went to college in Hamden (where they pit stop in CT)

I appreciated the scenery in the car when Leon described where they were before they stopped, because the roads looked exactly like where my roommates and I used to burn cruise, only to find out that they probably were shooting those scenes on the same roads.

I can confirm that Hamden, Cheshire, North Haven and Wallingford are very much full of RWA’s


Edit: I don’t think the Hamden dam is a real place. And this redistribution of wealth scene happening in that god forsaken town let’s me know this is all going to shyt brehs

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

This ignores situation entirely. Dom is way more attached to Darlene than vice versa (Dom has zero personal attachments, so of course she can't get over someone she slept with). Darlene has been struggling with crossing lines/being a good person and desperately doesn't want to get to where she was (killing the lawyer in her house/people dying) again. Dom said the exact thing to her that she never wanted to face, that she was a horrible person destroying good peoples lives. Darlene was trying to find redemption via doing everything she could to undo what she did to Dom, Dom was struggling with the fact that the only person in the world she's not related to she feels ANYTHING for is her Alexa and the woman that ruined her life. Their bond is fukked up but it's strong.

And they did NOT run away with each other. That's the point. The only reason they were going to was the Dark Army. In reality Darlene wanted to go because she's co-dependent, thought she was saving Dom's life, and finally found an out from the downward spiral she'd been in dealing with the dark army and her morality. Dom was only going because she thought it was the only way to save her family.

Once that got taken away look how quickly the idea of "them" fell apart. Darlene in the bathroom realizes she can take care of herself, and Dom on the plane knows Darlene isn't coming but she needs to go anyway, because the life she was stuck in was worse than death.

Dom's family is fine. She's in no danger, but she has nothing to do back to than her life which was just loneliness and misery. There's no reason to stay.

Ditto for Darlene. Dom is safe. There's no more fear of blood on her hands, and she's not afraid of being alone (being with Elliot is basically being alone), but her family is back there and needs her help so she's staying.

This episode was them processing their shyt and growing as people. One has no more reason to fight (started the episode thinking she did), whereas another realizes she has it in her to fight (started the episode feeling utterly finished).



It's like you missed everything family I don't know what else to tell you

Very good explanation but no I didn’t miss it. I said it’s unbelievable cause there was zero buildup. Remember all that shyt in the apt was hours ago. So just hours ago she was gonna let her die. Had both of them not done the classic movie trope of barely missing each other by seconds, they’d be on the plane. But like you said, they “needed” this moment to happen. A lot of things been happening cause they need it to happen and not based on any reality or storytelling.

dude from first season didn’t need to come back after taking over dr and Haiti to tell the story of how he was raped. Darlene didn’t need to run away with some fed she gave no fukks about months ago cause of 6 hours on Christmas night. Now Darlene needed to break down in the bathroom so she could go back to her brother to save him I guess. Or die or some shyt. Whatever. We didn’t need Tyrell and Elliot to go on a snow day adventure for Tyrell to die.

Like I said a lot of unnecessary episodes and Hollywood nonsense thrown in this season. I stand my season rankings. This should be #1. It isn’t

 

[choc_cardigan]

Very good explanation but no I didn’t miss it. I said it’s unbelievable cause there was zero buildup. Remember all that shyt in the apt was hours ago. So just hours ago she was gonna let her die. Had both of them not done the classic movie trope of barely missing each other by seconds, they’d be on the plane. But like you said, they “needed” this moment to happen. A lot of things been happening cause they need it to happen and not based on any reality or storytelling.

dude from first season didn’t need to come back after taking over dr and Haiti to tell the story of how he was raped. Darlene didn’t need to run away with some fed she gave no fukks about months ago cause of 6 hours on Christmas night. Now Darlene needed to break down in the bathroom so she could go back to her brother to save him I guess. Or die or some shyt. Whatever. We didn’t need Tyrell and Elliot to go on a snow day adventure for Tyrell to die.

Like I said a lot of unnecessary episodes and Hollywood nonsense thrown in this season. I stand my season rankings. This should be #1. It isn’t

This is constructive criticism not useless trolling

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Remember all that shyt in the apt was hours ago. So just hours ago she was gonna let her die.

But she didn't. She didn't let her die. She couldn't. She tried her best but she couldn't. She's been breaking since she killed the lawyer and she completely broke when Angela died. No build up? Look at how Darlene has responded to people dying she feels responsible for. She's collapsed. She has been begging anyone she talks to this season to make her feel better about herself in the wake of losing Angela and emotionally losing Elliot. Look at the way she responds to Dom telling her how she ruined her life. Do you really think that person can watch Dom bleed out slowly AND her family be slaughtered and not do anything about it?

That's what I mean. You're ignoring character arcs entirely. Everything about Darlene's realization that she is not cold blooded enough to do these things and the reckoning she felt when Dom told her about herself lead to that moment.

You know what that moment was?

"It ain't in me no more".

Had both of them not done the classic movie trope of barely missing each other by seconds, they’d be on the plane. But like you said, they “needed” this moment to happen. A lot of things been happening cause they need it to happen and not based on any reality or storytelling.

They're not on the plane just because they missed each other. They BOTH had an opportunity after they realized it to make a decision. Darlene heard the last call, looked herself in the mirror, and decided to stay. Dom knew Darlene was not going to be on it, and stayed. Yes, it was framed in a beautiful Hollywood manner, but the last thing BOTH characters do is make a choice. Their decision didn't just happen to him. Dom isn't on that plane because she's stuck. Darlene is not staying because she got left. They made a choice.

And you're still very caught up on what Darlene feels about Dom and ignoring that it has only a little to do with Dom as a person, and almost entirely to do with Dom as a circumstance. Darlene does not have what Elliot has in her to cross those lines, so what she did to Dom is haunting her, and there's zero reason for us to believe Darlene can go any further.

Again, after how she reacted to what Dom said to her at the farm, and after how Dar has responded to people dying, how on Earth do you think that she can watch Dom die and listen to her family be killed? But is it just "Hollywood" and not realistic that OF COURSE she winds up with the person a conflicted person now feels the most conflicted about?

dude from first season didn’t need to come back after taking over dr and Haiti to tell the story of how he was raped. Darlene didn’t need to run away with some fed she gave no fukks about months ago cause of 6 hours on Christmas night. Now Darlene needed to break down in the bathroom so she could go back to her brother to save him I guess. Or die or some shyt. Whatever. We didn’t need Tyrell and Elliot to go on a snow day adventure for Tyrell to die.

Like I said a lot of unnecessary episodes and Hollywood nonsense thrown in this season. I stand my season rankings. This should be #1. It isn’t

See, this is going way too far. What in this show "needs" to happen? Did Elliot "need" to hack E Corp to make this TV show interesting? Did Wellick "need" to be obsessed with Elliot to conveniently involve an exec in the company he hates most as one of the closest people in his life? Did the warden of his jail "need" to be running a dark web trafficking site that provided the convenient means for Elliot to get out of jail early?

Where and how do you draw a line in a show with a premise this utterly ridiculous on what's Hollywood and what's "realistic"?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

@Scottie Drippin i guess I feel like Esmail is just doing shyt to do it. Let’s have our 5 act play episode. Here’s our rom com episode. Here’s our symbolic death episode. Instead of the story telling itself. They are letting Hollywood style shyt, invade the story. Even leon. Like how much money do you pay a contract killer with elite hand to hand (jail) skills and regular pistol work (the barn) to drive your sister to the airport. But instead he wants to recruit her? On what basis?

it was sillyness. Hey let’s give homie the send off. Let’s have him happen to be there selling his book at the exact same time. Here let’s tell Darlene and Dom the one thing that’ll split them up and also drive Darlene back to the brother she just gave up to DA 6 hours ago.

This show didn’t used to be like this. I blame it on the extra eps. I said it before this season. When shows get to the last season and start doing new shyt, it’s always a sign it’s gonna go downhill. All these extra episodes and the filler is spilling out everywhere.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

@Scottie Drippin i guess I feel like Esmail is just doing shyt to do it. Let’s have our 5 act play episode. Here’s our rom com episode. Here’s our symbolic death episode. Instead of the story telling itself. They are letting Hollywood style shyt, invade the story. Even leon. Like how much money do you pay a contract killer with elite hand to hand (jail) skills and regular pistol work (the barn) to drive your sister to the airport. But instead he wants to recruit her? On what basis?

it was sillyness. Hey let’s give homie the send off. Let’s have him happen to be there selling his book at the exact same time. Here let’s tell Darlene and Dom the one thing that’ll split them up and also drive Darlene back to the brother she just gave up to DA 6 hours ago.

This show didn’t used to be like this. I blame it on the extra eps. I said it before this season. When shows get to the last season and start doing new shyt, it’s always a sign it’s gonna go downhill. All these extra episodes and the filler is spilling out everywhere.

And I still think you're looking past things.

Leon driving Darlene to the airport sounds dumb.

But that's not what was happening was it?

The most skilled person on Elliot's side hired for an escort mission on his most valuable person on Earth who they all think is #2 on a dark Army hit list on a run to get her out of the country was really what happened.

But family there was an episode that was filmed entirely like a multi-camera sitcom before. There was an episode that was supposed to be one long take like Birdman.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

But family there was an episode that was filmed entirely like a multi-camera sitcom before.

Thought that shyt was trash too. Hence me putting season 2 and the fake me out jail nonsense in last place. Are we even sure the warden was doing that for real. I thought the dark army got him out through a judge and he made that up to fool us into thinking he was free. Who knows. But it’s shyt like that.

just give us the hacking, mental problems, dark army and f society fukkery. The only pandering to Hollywood episode I liked was the single camera joint. Even the silent episode was like “come on now”. Motherfukking strangers whistling and grunting to people.

1 and 3 are the no bullshyt. Let’s get to it, type of seasons I liked. Elliot vs Robot vs Dark Army/E Corp. Whenever he tries making it more or deeper, it falls short every time. I haven’t read a single review of this season. But I’d bet people aren’t ranking it on par with the two I named

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Thought that shyt was trash too. Hence me putting season 2 and the fake me out jail nonsense in last place. Are we even sure the warden was doing that for real. I thought the dark army got him out through a judge and he made that up to fool us into thinking he was free. Who knows. But it’s shyt like that.

just give us the hacking, mental problems, dark army and f society fukkery. The only pandering to Hollywood episode I liked was the single camera joint. Even the silent episode was like “come on now”. Motherfukking strangers whistling and grunting to people.

1 and 3 are the no bullshyt. Let’s get to it, type of seasons I liked. Elliot vs Robot vs Dark Army/E Corp. Whenever he tries making it more or deeper, it falls short every time. I haven’t read a single review of this season. But I’d bet people aren’t ranking it on par with the two I named

The Rififi episode and the stageplay are two of the most universally praised episodes of TV since Ozymandias.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

The Rififi episode and the stageplay are two of the most universally praised episodes of TV since Ozymandias.

Then I’m completely out the loop with fans. I’d expect that from hollywood, as I said, they pander to Hollywood. But regular ass fans, nah.

I couldn’t imagine a sopranos, the wire, BB, game of thrones, any type of show just going off the rails and doing one shot, no talking, stage play, 80s sitcom episodes at random and they be taken seriously as anything more than “I wanted to bust that type of nut”

those are filler, let esmail show off, eps to me. But I won’t argue about it. We got 2 more to go. I hope they wrap it up nicely and we don’t end up cramming this shyt in the finale when it could have been fleshed out with these extra episodes