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The polygamy conversation is the most try hard shyt ever. There’s almost no benefit of polygamy over just being single...
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The polygamy conversation is the most try hard shyt ever. There’s almost no benefit of polygamy over just being single...
These things only ever consider money. Outside of resources, genetics are the next big factor.
For ages, women were having children with other men and pretending it belonged to the provider. That's the real reason why marriage became a thing in the first place--men with resources can be assured that their children are theirs.
But it turns out that women are still having children with another man and pretending it belongs to their husband
So some men without resources technically did have children back then.
What a joke, so which gender coined the term fukkboys. Without restraints of monogamy, rich and broke nikkas would be playing the field for eternity
Her trying to use historical context of antiquity for modern marriage is laughable. The difference in the marital climates between both periods is like comparing the ice age and a global warming period
First, economic advancement has created parity between both gender. Women now dont need the economic support of a man to take a care of a child.
Second, technology, the invention of birth control and the practice of abortion has absolved both genders of the consequences of non-committed sex. Now which gender has the higher sex drive
Technology has also improved quality of life, where people dont feel the need to have children as a source of labor to build wealth. A side point is that child labor laws prevent using their children as a source of income.
Third, with the decline of the practice of religion, there's no compulsion to adhere to any edicts forbidding fornication. If a breh thinks there's no God to judge to him, what do you think he's gonna do
Fourth, the biological clock, which gender generally pushes for marriage cuz they tryna get babies before they get flabby
Fifth, the internet and online dating has made it easy for nikkas to play the field to perpetuity. Thats why online dating profiles be begging for honesty and loyalty.
Ill just stop there cuz i think we're running up the score
right, which still happens in this day in age. There's literally people fighting against mandatory paternity test.Yeah Even Kings had their harem cheating on them and lying about the child
Some reseachers studied a England Kings DNA and found a few of his male descendants were cuckold'd
Shes right but she's also wrong. She notes that
The truth is, polygyny intensifies economic inequality among men. It also creates a reserve of young, sexually frustrated men who, when faced with genetic obsolescence, are willing to do just about anything to get access to sex and money — from kidnapping and cattle raids, to joining guerrilla armies. Hence polygynous couplings are not only intensely unequal, they are innately more violent. Even today, polygyny is a key feature in all of the 20 most unstable countries on the Fragile States Index.
But for some reason she doesn't see that living in a violent world is worse for women who are physically weaker and are more likely to be raped or attacked than a man is.
Broke men definitely benefit from monogamy, but women do too, and to an even greater extent.
30% of fathers aren’t the biological fathers in the US, I believe.right, which still happens in this day in age. There's literally people fighting against mandatory paternity test.
Are u saying people get married because of sex?
I’m not saying sex isn’t a benefit of marriage, I’m saying that creating a family is the reason people get married.
They higher ups have to change the policies. Before men would take care of a single mothers go out. That shyt isnt happening no more. Dudes are just straight saying I don't need a family and I also don't need to make as much money because i don't need it to survive. And the women in today's society don't make it better. they're so narcissistic with their shyt they don't realize how the shyt affects our society.With all this being said, how can we stop this incel problem? Bc it sounds like an inevitable conclusion due to the new gender dynamics. Sexless rates have damn near tripled among the younger generation. Millenial marriage rates aren't good
we can't have the majority of men not having families and not contributing to the economy. Shyt would destroy society.
Is Japan the future? Them dudes just quitting life
Yeah thats fukking insane. You know whats even more iller than that. Dudes might still be on the hook for that child.30% of fathers aren’t the biological fathers in the US, I believe.
I agree especially with the bolded.She contradicts herself multiple times
Monogamy limits womens agency
Monogamy promotes social stability and opportunities
What exactly is she arguing? She mentions wealth inequality and then does nothing with that concept. This really just feels like hoe babble with a thesaurus and history book. She's not intellectually consistent.
In any case I do agree that the wealthiest and most successful men do hoard the women. 80% of women want less than 20% of men. This has been shown to happen again and again in online dating studies, and in qualitative research with surveys and focus groups.
If youre a man its becoming harder and harder to meet womens standards especially women whove been on social media a lot. Social media warps the mindset of people so they feel their lives must be exceptional at basically all times and has given people an insane level of entitlement. This is why some dudes are just checking out entirely. Nobody wants to be used as a meal ticket while a wonan is plotting for the high status man she really wants.
Studies and history show Monogamy is for broke men.
In 2017 I was shooting an episode of the Grapevine where the topic of discussion was gold diggers. I attempted to explain the subtle ways our romantic customs center male desire, often at the expense of female agency.
That’s when I said it, before a room of cheering women, and slack-jawed men.
“The truth about monogamy is — monogamy is the way that we can ensure that average Joes get to get married too!”
In my defense, I was neither praising polygamy nor slamming—well — broke men. I threw it in as an aside.
I thought this was common knowledge. In my mind, I was merely mentioning a historical fact; but in reality, I was stepping on a cultural land mine.
Not only did the clip, later dubbed “monogamy is for broke men,” instantly go viral, but it provoked a fusillade of attacks from men for which I was totally unprepared. The harassment was so intense, I feared for my safety, and for years, every time the video reemerged, sparking a small brush fire on my timeline, I cringed. Sure, I gained thousands of new followers practically overnight, but the minute-long clip, extracted from an hour-long conversation, had been mercilessly taken out of context. I became a poster child for polygamy, and a ballbuster for (broke) men — neither of which was entirely true.
Years later, I am still trying to make sense of the ordeal, contemplating why, for some men, the truth about monogamy strikes a nerve.
Polygyny, when one man marries multiples wives, has long been associated with wealth and power. Most ancient patriarchal societies were mildly polygynous, meaning that while some men, typically the wealthy elite, had multiple wives, most were generally monogamous. As these early agrarian societies, however, became increasingly more complex and socioeconomically stratified, the practice of polygyny expanded, creating a notable scarcity of brides among lower-ranking men.
The truth is, polygyny intensifies economic inequality among men. It also creates a reserve of young, sexually frustrated men who, when faced with genetic obsolescence, are willing to do just about anything to get access to sex and money — from kidnapping and cattle raids, to joining guerrilla armies. Hence polygynous couplings are not only intensely unequal, they are innately more violent. Even today, polygyny is a key feature in all of the 20 most unstable countries on the Fragile States Index.
Ancient Greco-Roman society avoided this social volatility, along with questions of inheritance, by outlawing polygyny altogether. The ruling elites, the very men who stood to sexually benefit the most from their power and wealth, strategically limited every man to one wife. That was an anomaly in the ancient world, but it was a concession that increased cohesion amongst men by reducing intra-sex competition for women. That concession helped the empire rapidly expand, and it was of little consequence to the wealthiest men who continued to enjoy sex with their concubines, and even slaves. Ancient Greco-Roman society provided the blueprint for the Western model of monogamy that would ultimately dominate globally, especially after it was adopted by Christianity.
In strictly economic terms, women benefit from polygyny when they are financially dependent on men, and faced with massive wealth inequality. In this scenario, a woman might be better off as the second or third wife of a wealthier man, than the exclusive wife of a poor one. Polygyny definitely commodifies women, but it also assures that virtually every woman can partner, even if at the expense of men.
Monogamy is one of the ways we’ve rigged our society to ensure the reproductive success of virtually all men, in spite of these gaping inequalities.
Sociologists say that the moment wealth distribution rises, and women are emancipated, female support for polygyny dwindles. At that point, the benefits of monogamy outweigh its costs, but polygyny never fully disappears. Socially imposed monogamy doesn’t override the fact that many heterosexual women still covet (and share) the wealthiest, most attractive partners and just like in ancient Rome, de facto polygyny persists, even today.
Which brings me to my original point. Why did my statement about monogamy inspire such a divisive response? I may never fully understand the fallout, but over the years I’ve developed an idea.
Candid discussions about monogamy lay bare the inherent inequalities of wealth and power, both hallmarks of masculinity in our deeply patriarchal culture. Monogamy is one of the ways we’ve rigged our society to ensure the reproductive success of virtually all men, in spite of these gaping inequalities. For a significant part of human history, a small number of men controlled the vast number of resources — and while there are cultural levers in place to reduce sexual competition among men, there are far more levers in place to limit their ability to acquire wealth, which leads me to believe that some of the hostility hurled at prospecting women is ultimately misdirected. We are tougher on women who dig for gold than we are on men who hoard wealth.
Furthermore, we have a real problem with women who are selective, women who actually want things in exchange for their time, their emotional labor — and their bodies. Monogamy’s origin story speaks to the age-old correlation between wealth and sex, a connection that our casual sex culture works hard to undo.
Sex has arguably never been “cheaper,” but this is yet another example of centering male desire at the expense of female agency. We vilify gold diggers, but normalize men who covet beauty. We guilt women for high standards and romanticize struggle love. Some of those same men who love to sext, loathe the idea of OnlyFans.
Female sexuality is great until you put it behind a paywall.
It’s so much easier to disavow monogamy, in defense of promiscuity, than it is to admit that monogamy is what allows so many men to be promiscuous in the first place. I finally realize, all these years later, why the inconvenient truth about monogamy may be a bitter pill to swallow, especially when dispensed by a woman.
But don’t tweet me. I’m just the messenger.
The Inconvenient Truth About Monogamy